Did You Ever Notice: The First Shot in GTA IV?

Did you ever notice that the first shot in GTA IV with the guy in a bondage suit screaming "Daddy's back you bitches!" is supposed to be a reference to the Hot Coffee mod of GTA: SA? It's not exactly the same, but the fact that it's a hardcore act and that it's literally the first shot in the whole game is meant to represent the fact that this was GTA's past. When Niko knocks on his door and tells him he's going to miss his chance to go ashore it's referencing the fact that GTA is leaving that kind of silly 'dildo as a weapon' stuff and will be going for a more serious story. It's also saying that it's leaving behind the Hot Coffee stuff for this game, which is funny that Rockstar acknowledges it even though it wasn't actually in GTA:SA, or wasn't meant to be.

In addition to that, the phrase, "Daddy's back you bitches!" is meant that after its leave of absence for four years and dozens of competitors trying to take its place, the real sandbox crime game is back to take its rightful place on the throne. It's meant to be GTA actually saying to the competitors that they're bitches and that daddy, the game they all took their ideas from, is back. Thought I'd just point that out for anyone who didn't notice it before. Hope you enjoyed it.

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Edited by SpikeDelight

Did you ever notice that the first shot in GTA IV with the guy in a bondage suit screaming "Daddy's back you bitches!" is supposed to be a reference to the Hot Coffee mod of GTA: SA? It's not exactly the same, but the fact that it's a hardcore act and that it's literally the first shot in the whole game is meant to represent the fact that this was GTA's past. When Niko knocks on his door and tells him he's going to miss his chance to go ashore it's referencing the fact that GTA is leaving that kind of silly 'dildo as a weapon' stuff and will be going for a more serious story. It's also saying that it's leaving behind the Hot Coffee stuff for this game, which is funny that Rockstar acknowledges it even though it wasn't actually in GTA:SA, or wasn't meant to be.

In addition to that, the phrase, "Daddy's back you bitches!" is meant that after its leave of absence for four years and dozens of competitors trying to take its place, the real sandbox crime game is back to take its rightful place on the throne. It's meant to be GTA actually saying to the competitors that they're bitches and that daddy, the game they all took their ideas from, is back. Thought I'd just point that out for anyone who didn't notice it before. Hope you enjoyed it.

Posted by Kush

I thought they were just trying to make me sexually uncomfortable...

Posted by Coltonio7

I hate watching that part.

Posted by SpikeDelight

Just started playing GTA IV PC and noticed this. Decided I'd point it out.

Posted by Bucketdeth

Wow very nice, you have keen eye.

Posted by daniel_beck_90
Coltonio7 said:
"I hate watching that part."
  I loved that part
and yes , I agree with the OP
Posted by LiquidPrince
daniel_beck_90 said:
"Coltonio7 said:
"I hate watching that part."
  I loved that part
and yes , I agree with the OP"

Love is a strong word, no?

Posted by bwooduhs

Nice eye. I never payedthat much attention.

Posted by Arkthemaniac

I thought it was just a retarded fucking beginning.

Know what? I was right.
Posted by TheGreatGuero

That's an interesting interpretation. Though, I'm kind of shocked someone would put so much consideration into such a brief, creepy and uncomfortable scene. You make interesting points, though. That could very well be exactly what Rockstar was thinking when they included it.

Posted by mandeponium

I was disappointed that that level of sexuality was not sustained throughout the entire game.

Posted by SpikeDelight

Yeah I don't really sit down and think of it, but I have studied a bit in film and have read a few scholarly books about how to interpret shots and stuff, so I just kinda notice this miniscule crap that people think is weird. I find it interesting delving into someone else's vision, and I think it's stupid when people say I shouldn't waste my time interpreting video games. They have just as much thought in them as anything else, the only difference is not many people really read into them like this yet.

Posted by OutOfBounds9000

That part is really really just not comfortable to watch.
Posted by GreggD
@OutOfBounds9000 said:
" That part is really really just not comfortable to watch. "
You must not be very comfortable with you own sexuality, then.
Posted by Smarter_Martyr

You say they left Hot Coffee behind, but I can watch a hooker handjob/blow/ride me in my car. You dove a little too deep into it.

Posted by TheMustacheHero

It all makes sense now. On another note: You can still find purple dildos in some of the trashcans.

Posted by EthanML

That, or you're just reading way too much into it =p

Posted by creamclouds

interesting insight

Posted by MikeFightNight

I never thought of GTA IV being a thinking man's piece, but good points.  Sounds like something they would do.
Posted by Daryl

Hmm, I don't think they've abandoned this train of thought, they're just doing it differently. I mean, you've got stuff like Pisswasser and you do a mission in a porn store.

Posted by Griddler

Its a good theory.. probably right.

Posted by Alexander
@LiquidPrince said:
" daniel_beck_90 said:
"Coltonio7 said:
"I hate watching that part."
  I loved that part
and yes , I agree with the OP"
Love is a strong word, no? "
So's hate; both overused.
Edited by SJSchmidt93

I'm not sure how you got Hot Coffee just from "Daddies back you bitches!" 
 
Besides, they reference when you're trying to get in Michele's pants. 
 
 "Want to come in some for warm coffee?"  
 "Sure but if this winds up on the internet I'm going to kill you" 
 
or something like that, it's been awhile since I've played GTA4.

Posted by CitizenKane

You're probably reading too much into it, but to each his own.

Edited by LeadNinja
@Daryl said:

" Hmm, I don't think they've abandoned this train of thought, they're just doing it differently. I mean, you've got stuff like Pisswasser and you do a mission in a porn store. "


In which you shoot a pornographer in the knee.  That could just as easily be used to support the OP's interpretation.
Posted by Daryl
@LeadNinja: Ah, but I shot him in the testicules.
Posted by LeadNinja
@Daryl said:
" @LeadNinja: Ah, but I shot him in the testicules. "
Well that just represents your repressed homosexual urges.  :-p
Posted by Otacon

This thread has just come to my attention, SpikeDelight always seems to notice interesting things, hope he's still around the forums.

Posted by TwoOneFive
@Kush said:
" I thought they were just trying to make me sexually uncomfortable... "
same here. and they succeded. that game makes me uncomfortable a lot. not even sexually, just bores me to death most of the time.  
that game sucks. 
Posted by Daryl
@LeadNinja: Mmmmmm repressed homosexual urges.
Posted by Deusoma

I picked up on the "announcing GTA's return to its competitors' thing. It's just too bad that with the singular exception of story quality, GTA IV wasn't as good as Saints Row 2, or even GTA: San Andreas.

Edited by Grimace

I think this was cut out of the Australian version.

Posted by jkz

You know this thread deserved to be dug up. Good thought he had, but I think that the more direct references later in the game put it in doubt.

Posted by Capum15

I just thought it was a funny scene.

Posted by Shiftshaper

Wow, I never would have figured all that, but I guess what you said could very well be what that scene represented. Pretty cool if it did. 

Edited by Milkman

 
 That's a great observation. You might be reading into a bit too much but I like your theory and would like to think that your right. 
 
I'm sure this thread will get bombarded with dumbass comments saying "GTA IV WAS SO BORING! IT SUCKS!"
 
Also, this is 9 months old.

Posted by SpikeDelight

I've been off this site for a while and just noticed the 25 messages or so in my mailbox. Whoever dug this thread up from out of the abyss thank you, and I'm glad that it's sparking the kind of discussions that I originally wrote it for. Now that I know some people are interested, I'll post some more observations as I notice them.  
 
Cheers guys

Posted by Balaamsafe

I think this is actualy a pretty decent observation.  I personaly love the more mature and involving route that GTA4 took, i guess that's reflected in the writing, even the bondage sex-scene writing.  If you look at that whole opening scene on the boat it actualy pretty much preludes everything in some way.  The diamonds getting smuggled in on the boat leads to the diamond excahange at the centre of the game (and the expansions), this is even accentuated by the music.  The themes of the american dream and expectations of LC are setup through the dialogue, as is Niko's history, motives and some of his character.  Roman is introduced, he has forgotten serbian implying that he is heavily influenced by american culture and he is immediatley portrayed as foolish and slightly drunk.  His "i've made it" talk is starkly contrasted with brown bag drinking and his shitty car.  The more I think about it the more it's a masterful opening.
 
Sorry, got a bit carried away there.

Edited by SpikeDelight
@balaamsafe said:

" I think this is actualy a pretty decent observation.  I personaly love the more mature and involving route that GTA4 took, i guess that's reflected in the writing, even the bondage sex-scene writing.  If you look at that whole opening scene on the boat it actualy pretty much preludes everything in some way.  The diamonds getting smuggled in on the boat leads to the diamond excahange at the centre of the game (and the expansions), this is even accentuated by the music.  The themes of the american dream and expectations of LC are setup through the dialogue, as is Niko's history, motives and some of his character.  Roman is introduced, he has forgotten serbian implying that he is heavily influenced by american culture and he is immediatley portrayed as foolish and slightly drunk.  His "i've made it" talk is starkly contrasted with brown bag drinking and his shitty car.  The more I think about it the more it's a masterful opening.  Sorry, got a bit carried away there. "

You definitely didn't get carried away there, and I love your observations. This kind of discussion is what a community of like-minded, mature video game fans should be having. The fact that you apologized for writing a post that isn't a chain of insults between Doug Funny and Roger Klotz reminds me why I left this site in the first place. We can only hope that people become more accepting of a mature take on video game analysis as the years go on, but don't apologize for being one of the few who expressed himself sooner rather than later.
Posted by SikhCuz
@SpikeDelight:
im not so sure about that spike  
 
there is a definite reference to Hot Coffee with the acheivement Warm Coffee 
When you ask michelle to go inside she says "yeah, for twenty million dollars" referring to the money R* had to pay for the Hot Coffee incident
(notice i used the word Coffee about 4 times lol)
Posted by gerrymcrearysgirl

They @SpikeDelight said:

When Niko knocks on his door and tells him he's going to miss his chance to go ashore it's referencing the fact that GTA is leaving that kind of silly 'dildo as a weapon' stuff and will be going for a more serious story.
 
 
Be that as it may, there are still piles of rubble with dildos in them ,not counting the "Experience C*unts' sign Honkers and The Triangle Club. Never has a missing O made me blink that quick! :-)
Posted by JeffGoldblum

You are reading way to far into it.

Posted by MrSnow

You read way too much into the cutscenes.

Posted by Proplytiri
@JeffGoldblum: I don't think he's reading too far into it, in fact I thought this was common knowledge.  The first line in the entire game, before anything even appears on screen, is "Daddy's back, you bitches!  DADDY'S BACK!!"
Posted by DJJoeJoe
@mandeponium: It did for me, I did the dating thing a lot in my first playthrough :)
Posted by Godlyawesomeguy
@Deusoma said:
"I picked up on the "announcing GTA's return to its competitors' thing. It's just too bad that with the singular exception of story quality, GTA IV wasn't as good as Saints Row 2, or even GTA: San Andreas. "
agree to disagree I guess.
Posted by cstrang

Hmm...  I don't remember the opening, as I haven't seen the opening since release day and that was almost two years ago.  But great eye.

Posted by InTheEnd

You know what? I think you're over analyzing it.

Posted by Esten

That's one crazy analasys. I like it.

Posted by Typetool

Hmmmm got me thinking...

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