I dont have to give money to  the dev team.Plenty of people have bought the game hence my money would buy them a top of the range coffee maker as well as fund a nutcase.Or I can give them no money, they have to buy a crappier coffee machine   and  my conscience is clear.
 
A more interesting question would be if a great game was selling poorly and a fucktard like card was linked with it would I buy it?
Answer...very difficult it would have to be like Bioshock..i.e after playing the demo I felt that the devs had designed a game for me.

Also, I feel I need to clarify that I have followed this thread since the beginning and there has never been anyone mentioning a boycott except for all the people crying out that being an informed consumer is stupid. We have had people talking about how the circumstances surrounding this game make each of them feel uncomfortable as individuals, but there has been no call to arms.

He is a fucktard and should be sent to a country like Iran, where gays are hung everyday, maybe then he'd see how fucked up his views are.

I do agree that boycotting the game based on one man, who is indirectly involved in the production of the game, and his views is stupid and ignorant in itself.  The guys who are actually making the game do not share the views of Card and deserve the money they get from people buying the game.

In the end, I thought what do I want more: to support a dev team that made a good game or deny them money because of one man's view. I chose the former and enjoyed the game. No way am I gonna punish the team because of different political views.

This is worse than an empty gesture, though, because talented people are losing money in the process. I'd prefer an empty gesture that solves nothing and doesn't catch bystanders in the crossfire.
I just don't see the endgame, here. I see this underpants gnome style logic "ban figure vaguely connected to game, ______, gay marriage is acceptable/profit?"
I don't even see a tangential connection, ultimately all these means is Card will have to skip on one of the dips in his three dip salsa at the next "sanctity of marriage" meeting. And a bunch of developers will suffer, not that you care obviously.

The thing with boycotts is you actually need to pick an issue that more than a handful of people give a shit about.  Otherwise, they aren't just futile, they might even be counterproductive - a boycott without boycotters is just free publicity.  This might have made a few people feel better about themselves, but that's as far as it goes.  I imagine Shadow Complex has been a runaway success for all involved and they won't think twice about making a sequel in the same universe.
 
Also, the idea that you can buy back the moral highground by donating something to charity is laughable.  'Paying off your guilty conscience' and 'having principles' are not the same thing - they could not be more different.

There are gay charities?  Why do gay people need a charity?  It's not like they need a cancer charity where they're trying to cure a disease or like a homeless charity here they're trying to solve a problem.  Surely there's no need for such an organisation...

" @ryanwho: If the sequel bombed in spite of being great, I would call that a pretty effective stand. "

   
I think it's ridiculous that an entire dev team should be punished for an individuals ridiculously backwards world perspective - especially when the game is not a vehicle being used to channel it. Gaygamer issued this article in response:

I still don't have an answer for myself. I think if you're obviously too disgusted to enjoy the game, avoid it, and speak out. However, if you want to play the game, play it. Enjoy it, but offset the hate: if you buy Shadow Complex, donate $5, $10, $15 if you can spare it to a gay charity. Let them know why you're giving the money. Card won't get nearly that much per game. In message boards or user reviews, in blogs or tweets, if it comes up, let people know exactly what Card has said on the matter, and where, and damn him with his own language.

and you are all sick fucks."My book that was written by locust eaters and dictated by the sky fairy" says gays are evil, sorry being a christian dosent make your views acceptable. "
 

"and you are all sick fucks."My book that was written by locust eaters and dictated by the sky fairy" says gays are evil, sorry being a christian dosent make your views acceptable. "

of course but I know for definite that a paticular guy who I hate was involved... hence the agenda dont give money to people you know are nutcases was served.
 
@HotSauceMagik said:

" From Card:
 
 "This is a term that was invented to describe people with a pathological fear of homosexuals -- the kind of people who engage in acts of violence against gays. But the term was immediately extended to apply to anyone who opposed the homosexual activist agenda in any way.

A term that has mental-health implications (homophobe) is now routinely applied to anyone who deviates from the politically correct line. How long before opposing gay marriage, or refusing to recognize it, gets you officially classified as "mentally ill"?"  That pretty fucking true isn't it?  Card isn't a homophobe.  He, as a christian, is against gay marriage.  Just like I am, and the majority of the united states.  People should read source material before posting...    Regardless of your views, you arn't supporting any agenda by buying this game. "

I don't mean to sound harsh, but seriously? If you like the game... buy it. What exactly do people think they are really proving by boycotting it?
 
Orson Scott Card is an outspoken homophobe, and a complete arse. But who's to say that someone who helped make your favourite game wasn't also a homophobe... or a racist... would that stop you from buying it? Or a movie you went to see... or an album you bought. Chances are EVERYONE owns something that had a prejudiced person working on it in one way or another. Humans are a bastard species... deal with it.

From Card:
 
 "This is a term that was invented to describe people with a pathological fear of homosexuals -- the kind of people who engage in acts of violence against gays. But the term was immediately extended to apply to anyone who opposed the homosexual activist agenda in any way.

A term that has mental-health implications (homophobe) is now routinely applied to anyone who deviates from the politically correct line. How long before opposing gay marriage, or refusing to recognize it, gets you officially classified as "mentally ill"?"
 
That pretty fucking true isn't it?
 
Card isn't a homophobe.  He, as a christian, is against gay marriage.  Just like I am, and the majority of the united states.  People should read source material before posting...  
 
Regardless of your views, you arn't supporting any agenda by buying this game.

People are just looking for reasons to "boycott" things these days, anything that will cause a commotion. Hilariously enough it acts as free publicity for those who could careless about things like homosexual rights.

Heres some ramblings from Card:

 The first and greatest threat from court decisions in California and Massachusetts, giving legal recognition to "gay marriage," is that it marks the end of democracy in America.

 

If homo's are allowed to just go ahead and use rectums for the opposite of what they were designed for, and not procreate as humans should, then I don't see why whatshisnuts there shouldn't be allowed to push a hate filled anti gay agenda.

The game's story (And his novel) are garbage, so I could not care less about his ethics.

If I still had my 360 I would have bought Shadow Complex the minute it was released. That's my two cents.

Does this all mean that Orson Scott Card is not gay?

" @EvilTwin: Your wrong, if you donate money to a particular person then you are saying that you agree with this person's views and want them to be the one calling the shots in Washington.People are just willing to "overlook" their principles when it comes to games they like. "

He wants several up and coming hardworking developers to possibly lose their job just to take a few pennies out of Card's wallet even though Card makes so little from this compared to writing a novel its practically superfluous. They deserve it, I guess, for associating with someone who's not conforming to the correct word-view.
You know, out of "principle". 
Its the old "fight fire with fire" scheme, you know, where you put out fire by making more fire. Only in a modern idiocracy could someone see "fight fire with fire" as a workable plan with positive results.

So your not American?Boy for someone who does'nt live here you sure are interested in our politics.

" I've been reading over all the comments in this thread and wanted to touch on a few things  : 

1. I believe what Card was referring to when he made the statement about "gay marriage destroying democracy" was that there are far more people in this country that oppose gay marriage than there are people who are for it and if it were to be made a law then it would be against the majority of American's wishes.
2. To assume that he "hates" homosexual people simply because he does not agree with homosexuality is not right,I know someone who's best friend is homosexual but yet this person has made it completely clear that she does not agree with his lifestyle,and he understands,and they have been best friends for over 20 years.I don't agree with obesity,but I don't hate overweight people either.
3. This guy really made laugh because he calls the other guy "insensitive" right before calling him a "webtard",I lol'ed,hard.
   
4. People are such pussies nowadays,always worried about "offending" somebody,quit being such whiny bitches all the time.
5. People always act so holier than thou,like they've never said something derogatory about another human being,at some point everyone has said something negative about another person,that's called being human.You can't always label someone a homophobe,racist,etc.,just because of one view or opinion,it's just not always that cut and dry.
6. As for the guy that made the comment about groups of people who holler about "equality" and then do there best to seperate themselves,and used gaygamer.com as an example, I'm thinking of starting a website called "straightwhitemalegamer.com",it's gonna be the shit,we'll be the most hated website on the web : )
   

Those are just some things I felt the urge to comment on.Feel free to call me a homophobe/racist/dumbass/etc.,does'nt hurt my feelin's.

 

 

"

" As I said in another thread, it doesn't matter, and people are being too uptight over a person's beliefs.  Gay marriage is something to be decided at the state level, not the federal level, and the United States is one nation under God.  That means no gay marriage, it's defined as a man and a woman, end story.  I've already got an argument going on in another thread about this.  Don't want to bother dragging it out over many threads. "

Are you trying to say "number"?Sorry,I don't know what a "frisky dingo" is either,lol.(where are you from?)Anyway,I wasn't trying to "defend" Card,I was trying to help people like you understand what his statement meant.I'm glad to hear you found something I said "lame",lol,and who was "bitching" about "tolerance"?And as a matter of I AM a bastard,that quite an astute observation there buddy,lol.

"

@calidan777

said:

" I've been reading over all the comments in this thread and wanted to touch on a few things  : 
I believe what Card was referring to when he made the statement about "gay marriage destroying democracy" was that there are far more people in this country that oppose gay marriage than there are people who are for it and if it were to be made a law then it would be against the majority of American's wishes.To assume that he "hates" homosexual people simply because he does not agree with homosexuality is not right,I know someone who's best friend is homosexual but yet this person has made it completely clear that she does not agree with his lifestyle,and he understands,and they have been best friends for over 20 years.I don't agree with obesity,but I don't hate overweight people either.This guy really made laugh because he calls the other guy "insensitive" right before calling him a "webtard",I lol'ed,hard.
People are such pussies nowadays,always worried about "offending" somebody,quit being such whiny bitches all the time.People always act so holier than thou,like they've never said something derogatory about another human being,at some point everyone has said something negative about another person,that's called being human.You can't always label someone a homophobe,racist,etc.,just because of one view or opinion,it's just not always that cut and dry.As for the guy that made the comment about groups of people who holler about "equality" and then do there best to seperate themselves,and used gaygamer.com as an example, I'm thinking of starting a website called "straightwhitemalegamer.com",it's gonna be the shit,we'll be the most hated website on the web : )
Those are just some things I felt the urge to comment on.Feel free to call me a homophobe/racist/dumbass/etc.,does'nt hurt my feelin's.

 

  "

This made my day. Seriously. It's like... someone is actually still thinking on these boards. A few people even, so far. Also, that sounds like a great idea for a website, at least as an experiment to see how the 'tolerant' folks talking about 'equality' deal with its existence, compared to how people treat gaygamer. "

" I've been reading over all the comments in this thread and wanted to touch on a few things  : 

1. I believe what Card was referring to when he made the statement about "gay marriage destroying democracy" was that there are far more people in this country that oppose gay marriage than there are people who are for it and if it were to be made a law then it would be against the majority of American's wishes.
2. To assume that he "hates" homosexual people simply because he does not agree with homosexuality is not right,I know someone who's best friend is homosexual but yet this person has made it completely clear that she does not agree with his lifestyle,and he understands,and they have been best friends for over 20 years.I don't agree with obesity,but I don't hate overweight people either.
3. This guy really made laugh because he calls the other guy "insensitive" right before calling him a "webtard",I lol'ed,hard.
   
4. People are such pussies nowadays,always worried about "offending" somebody,quit being such whiny bitches all the time.
5. People always act so holier than thou,like they've never said something derogatory about another human being,at some point everyone has said something negative about another person,that's called being human.You can't always label someone a homophobe,racist,etc.,just because of one view or opinion,it's just not always that cut and dry.
6. As for the guy that made the comment about groups of people who holler about "equality" and then do there best to seperate themselves,and used gaygamer.com as an example, I'm thinking of starting a website called "straightwhitemalegamer.com",it's gonna be the shit,we'll be the most hated website on the web : )
   

Those are just some things I felt the urge to comment on.Feel free to call me a homophobe/racist/dumbass/etc.,does'nt hurt my feelin's.

 

 

"

@calidan777

" I've been reading over all the comments in this thread and wanted to touch on a few things  : 
I believe what Card was referring to when he made the statement about "gay marriage destroying democracy" was that there are far more people in this country that oppose gay marriage than there are people who are for it and if it were to be made a law then it would be against the majority of American's wishes.To assume that he "hates" homosexual people simply because he does not agree with homosexuality is not right,I know someone who's best friend is homosexual but yet this person has made it completely clear that she does not agree with his lifestyle,and he understands,and they have been best friends for over 20 years.I don't agree with obesity,but I don't hate overweight people either.This guy really made laugh because he calls the other guy "insensitive" right before calling him a "webtard",I lol'ed,hard.
People are such pussies nowadays,always worried about "offending" somebody,quit being such whiny bitches all the time.People always act so holier than thou,like they've never said something derogatory about another human being,at some point everyone has said something negative about another person,that's called being human.You can't always label someone a homophobe,racist,etc.,just because of one view or opinion,it's just not always that cut and dry.As for the guy that made the comment about groups of people who holler about "equality" and then do there best to seperate themselves,and used gaygamer.com as an example, I'm thinking of starting a website called "straightwhitemalegamer.com",it's gonna be the shit,we'll be the most hated website on the web : )
Those are just some things I felt the urge to comment on.Feel free to call me a homophobe/racist/dumbass/etc.,does'nt hurt my feelin's.

 

  "

Dude, game designers personal opinions are not a reason to not buy any game, good or bad.