Terramagi

@thabigred said:

@Terramagi: Have you played through DmC Devil May Cry on any of the 4 difficulties past Hard yet?

In this very topic I told you how the ranking system rewards damage instead of variety. I expressed knowledge of the amount of enemies on the screen, the (lack of) weapon variety, and more.

Why are you trying to discredit me with the absolute weakest method possible.

@SlashDance said:

@Terramagi said:

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@Ben_H said:

Just ignore it. There will always be the internet hivemind idiots who always have to have their way or they throw a tantrum.

Yes, god forbid there should remain a single game that doesn't devolve into mashing buttons. Let's just openly celebrate the death of another franchise that we never played, and decry everybody else who financed 3 fucking sequels prior to this. What the fuck do those hivemind nerds know? They just enjoy pounding nails into their dicks, like those people who like Dark Souls. Nobody bought that fucking game either! Another unsustainable franchise saved from limbo by God Emperor Buttonmasher, fit to sit alongside its bretheren like Ninja Gaiden and God of War!

The issue is not really that people want a different game. It's that they question the integrity, the knowledge and the intelligence of those who like the new one.

It's because the new one is BAD. It isn't DMC. If it was named Ninja Theory's Facewank Simulator, I wouldn't give a rat's ass. They would be making their own bad product and I'd laugh at it and then move on. This is actively destroying something people love, out of I ASSUME malice because DMC4 released shortly after Heavenly Sword and absolutely fucking stomped it. This is putting a widely beloved franchise to the torch and actively mocking people distressed to see that bitch go up in flames.

This is still not the point. Again, people have the right to be disappointed, but that doesn't justify being a smartass about it.

Downvoting the game on metacritic and saying reviewers were bought or have no integrity is childish and misguided. I don't want to speak for @Ben_H but I believe these are the people he was talking about.

Smartass? I stopped being amused by this about 10 posts ago. Now I'm actively angry about the nerve of you people.

I don't look at Halo and go "y'know what would make this game better? If it was an arena shooter like Quake" and then call all the fans who would get pissed at me entitled shitheads. I don't go to Gran Turismo and go "this is impenetrable, you people are masochists who hate fun, make it more like Mario Kart". And yet here you are, in your arrogance, burning Rome and wondering aloud "why do they protest?"

You're still missing my point. When the new Prince of Persia game came out in 2008, I was fucking mad, I hated the new wiseass Prince and the cartoon art style. I may even have voiced my complains in a few forum threads, but I never implied that reviewers were wrong and that people who liked it didn't know shit. That's the difference.

Brad admitted to not playing DMC(ugh)2, DMC3, or DMC4. By the strictest definition? He DOESN'T know shit about DMC. Either somebody else who had experience with the series should've reviewed it, or it should've been added to the pile of 700 billion games that GB doesn't review. As is? This is just destructive. Saying "the series was dead" when DMC4 sold more copies in its opening months than the previous 3 games and was extremely profitable is outright ignorant at best, and malicious at worst.

@SlashDance said:

@Terramagi said:

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@Terramagi said:

@Ben_H said:

Just ignore it. There will always be the internet hivemind idiots who always have to have their way or they throw a tantrum.

Yes, god forbid there should remain a single game that doesn't devolve into mashing buttons. Let's just openly celebrate the death of another franchise that we never played, and decry everybody else who financed 3 fucking sequels prior to this. What the fuck do those hivemind nerds know? They just enjoy pounding nails into their dicks, like those people who like Dark Souls. Nobody bought that fucking game either! Another unsustainable franchise saved from limbo by God Emperor Buttonmasher, fit to sit alongside its bretheren like Ninja Gaiden and God of War!

The issue is not really that people want a different game. It's that they question the integrity, the knowledge and the intelligence of those who like the new one.

It's because the new one is BAD. It isn't DMC. If it was named Ninja Theory's Facewank Simulator, I wouldn't give a rat's ass. They would be making their own bad product and I'd laugh at it and then move on. This is actively destroying something people love, out of I ASSUME malice because DMC4 released shortly after Heavenly Sword and absolutely fucking stomped it. This is putting a widely beloved franchise to the torch and actively mocking people distressed to see that bitch go up in flames.

This is still not the point. Again, people have the right to be disappointed, but that doesn't justify being a smartass about it.

Downvoting the game on metacritic and saying reviewers were bought or have no integrity is childish and misguided. I don't want to speak for @Ben_H but I believe these are the people he was talking about.

Smartass? I stopped being amused by this about 10 posts ago. Now I'm actively angry about the nerve of you people.

I don't look at Halo and go "y'know what would make this game better? If it was an arena shooter like Quake" and then call all the fans who would get pissed at me entitled shitheads. I don't go to Gran Turismo and go "this is impenetrable, you people are masochists who hate fun, make it more like Mario Kart". And yet here you are, in your arrogance, burning Rome and wondering aloud "why do they protest?"

@AyKay_47 said:

I understand getting upset about someone shitting on something you like...but what the fuck? Are people upset because a dead franchise got a successful reboot? Fuck. I'm out. Gonna just go buy the game tomorrow and enjoy.

It wasn't fucking dead. "Successful"? It destroyed everything the original series stood for. It went from a spectacle fighter with dozens of enemies on the screen to a bad God of War clone. It went from intelligently comboing together moves with a variety of weapons in order to maximize rank to mashing the attack button until everything was dead. It went from one end of the action genre to the other.

YOU never played the previous games, and yet here you are now, proclaiming a beloved series dead and successfully saved by a mediocre dev with a poor previous track record. Do you have no self awareness? Do you not realize how much of a selfish prick you sound like right now?

@SlashDance said:

@Terramagi said:

@Ben_H said:

Just ignore it. There will always be the internet hivemind idiots who always have to have their way or they throw a tantrum.

Yes, god forbid there should remain a single game that doesn't devolve into mashing buttons. Let's just openly celebrate the death of another franchise that we never played, and decry everybody else who financed 3 fucking sequels prior to this. What the fuck do those hivemind nerds know? They just enjoy pounding nails into their dicks, like those people who like Dark Souls. Nobody bought that fucking game either! Another unsustainable franchise saved from limbo by God Emperor Buttonmasher, fit to sit alongside its bretheren like Ninja Gaiden and God of War!

The issue is not really that people want a different game. It's that they question the integrity, the knowledge and the intelligence of those who like the new one.

It's because the new one is BAD. It isn't DMC. If it was named Ninja Theory's Facewank Simulator, I wouldn't give a rat's ass. They would be making their own bad product and I'd laugh at it and then move on. This is actively destroying something people love, out of I ASSUME malice because DMC4 released shortly after Heavenly Sword and absolutely fucking stomped it. This is putting a widely beloved franchise to the torch and actively mocking people distressed to see that bitch go up in flames.

@Ben_H said:

Just ignore it. There will always be the internet hivemind idiots who always have to have their way or they throw a tantrum.

Yes, god forbid there should remain a single game that doesn't devolve into mashing buttons. Let's just openly celebrate the death of another franchise that we never played, and decry everybody else who financed 3 fucking sequels prior to this. What the fuck do those hivemind nerds know? They just enjoy pounding nails into their dicks, like those people who like Dark Souls. Nobody bought that fucking game either! Another unsustainable franchise saved from limbo by God Emperor Buttonmasher, fit to sit alongside its bretheren like Ninja Gaiden and God of War!

@Wrighteous86 said:

@Terramagi: Mega Man. Metroid. Super Mario. Zelda. SMT. GTA. Prince of Persia. Castlevania. All franchises that had multiple "versions" of the series that ran concurrently and didn't eat each other or eventually returned to the original version.

Dead, dead, 3D mario is dead, haven't seen a 2D Zelda in like 15 years, mainline SMT was devoured by Persona, there's only one version of GTA, dead, Castleroid devoured Classic and was in turn devoured by 3D Castlevania.

I don't know what the hell that means.

DMC's ranking system worked on varying your attacks, so you weren't doing the same thing repeatedly. If you kept using the launcher and then a 3 hit combo before spiking them to the ground, you'd probably kill them eventually but you'd get a poor ranking because you were supposed to work in gunplay, dashing away to attack another enemy, switch in different weapons, etcetera. It rewarded the spectacle, not the utility. It was what made the games fun to replay.

You mean like El Shaddai? Oh man, El Shaddai fucking ruled!

It's not El Shaddai, it's Devil May Cry. Name it El Shaddai 2 or something, because limiting your weapon choice in a spectacle fighter never works.

This might not be the best example, if we're being fair. Hell, the Lucifer scene in DMC4 was just uncomfortable. If you wanted to win me over, you may have wanted to use this scene, instead.

That scene was great.

DMC4 was great.

Wish they would've made new levels for Dante, but what're you gonna do.

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@HaltIamReptar said:

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I think Giant Bomb is doing OK

Show me where Uncle Dante touched you.

Uncle Dante keeps saying he has a joystick...

He asked me to pull his Devil Trigger.

He... Never mind, I think this will suffice.

DAMMIT UNCLE DANTE STOP PERVERTING MY SOUL WITH YOUR UNDIVIDED DWDHWHDCFWQEFBERFE

Oh god how could Ninja Theory dare ruin this series storytelling.

Because it's two different styles.

DmC is not the same style. It's like how GTA4 did a complete about face and suddenly tried to be super dramatic and realistic when the previous games had you flying a fucking fighter jet upside down and smashing into old ladies.

DMC is supposed to be a DUMB B movie. Not a dumb B movie.

It seems like your issue is that you don't understand the concept of a reboot, something this game has always been promoted as and intended to be. This game was never intended to be like the original series. It was supposed to have it's own style. The whole creative conception of DmC was: "What would Devil May Cry be like if it were created by Ninja Theory?" Despite this, you're complaining that Dante looks and acts different, that the gameplay and story is different, etc.

You must really hate The Dark Knight trilogy. Your argument, in essence is this:

It's two different styles compared to the Burton/Schumacher Batman series.

The Dark Knight is not the same style. It's like how Aliens did a complete about face and suddenly tried to be all action packed and full of monsters when the previous movie had one woman desperately trying to escape a single solitary malevolent presence.

Batman is supposed to be a MELODRAMATIC comic book adaptation. Not a melodramatic comic book adaptation.

THIS IS A REBOOT. A REIMAGINING. AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE. You're flipping out because a game that was intended to be a new take, a new style, a new view of a franchise is DIFFERENT TO THE ORIGINAL. It's like complaining that Tekken x Street Fighter is going to be different from Street Fighter x Tekken. In the first game Ryu is supposed to look, control, and act like this. WHY DOESN'T HE DO THAT IN THE OTHER ONE???!?!?!

GTA 4 was expressly set in a different canonical world from the "GTA III trilogy". They said that from the very beginning. That implied that while many gameplay conceits would be the same (and many are), they were attempting to achieve something different with this different subset of the series. They were attempting to tell their own stories, with a more serious tone in a more realistic parody of our world instead of a total sandbox full of toys. Why did they name it GTA? Because it would be stupid to name it anything else for marketing reasons, corporate reasons, and the fact that it's by the same creators and shares many similar facets.

Again, you're complaining that there is inconsistencies in alternate universes that are wholly intended to be different, to draw in a different audience with a new take on a franchise. If you're gonna bitch about that, at least do it when sequels are tonally different within the same timeline, like the aforementioned Alien/Aliens. WIND WAKER? WTF?! Link isn't supposed to be cartoony and mischievous! How dare Twilight Princess make Link an adult. The series is supposed to be a childlike wonder and exploration of the world around you! ARGH! Halo 2! The Covenant aren't supposed to speak English. And why am I playing as an Elite?! Fuck you! Hey JJ Abrams' Star Trek? The planet Vulcan doesn't blow up in my version of Star Trek! You don't even understand anything about StAR TREKS~!!1`1122

If they wanted to do something different, make a new IP. Don't fucking ruin a good thing that still had life in it. Do you know what happens after a reboot happens? I'll spell it out for you, even though you yourself pointed it out with the phrase "original series". You NEVER get another game in the "original" series because now it's the OLD series. This shit ain't Coca Cola. We're never going to see DMClassic. The most we're going to see is original Dante as a DLC costume in MvC4.

@Video_Game_King said:

@Terramagi said:

But saying that this revitalizes the series that was healthy before by tearing apart everything that made it good in the first place

How? What, pray tell, is the series changing up so damn much? It still seems to be a character action game focused on a guy with a demon sword or some shit. Try not to spoil anything, since although I don't know jack shit about the game outside Dante's redesign (which, as far as I'm concerned, is simply being more honest about what Dante has been since at least 4), I don't want anything spoiled for me should I play it someday.

The style system is based on damage instead of changing up your attacks. This leads to spamming the same attacks ad infinitum, which is fucking boring to watch and play. In short, a button masher.

The enemies that "keep you on your toes" by requiring a certain weapon just limit your options. Instead of having, say, a shield in front of them that you need to dash behind and then combo with 3 weapons, you just switch to whatever weapon you are forced to use and mash until the enemy is dead.

The script goes from "goofy bullshit that you can't help but love" featuring such things as killing a boss and then turning them into a guitar that Dante rocks out on during a cutscene, him fighting a bunch of dudes while eating pizza, or the Lucifer weapon cutscene pictured in this topic where Dante does a bunch of acrobatic movements while making thinly veiled sexual innuendos... to a cutscene that literally devolves into two people screaming "fuck you" at each other for a good 30 seconds.