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#1  Edited By the_korben

Sounds awesome, thanks. This instantly turned a potentially productive evening into a pure nostalgia fest.  
 
One more thing though: Holy crap!!!! I can't believe that this was already 5 YEARS ago. 5 YEARS! Time flies, man.... and I'm getting old :(

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@moelarrycurly said:
" @Mikewrestler5 said:
" I agree. But this is definitely going to get locked.   If you have an opinion that's against video games, it is best to keep it to yourself, because the mods are hell-bent on closing any threads that degrade video games in any way possible. "
Oh whoops, I thought this was giantbooks.com.  :P  But seriously, I like video games a hell of a lot too.  Shit ain't mutually exclusive. "
You know, a Whiskey media book site would actually be kind of cool. Not too much potential for video content though ...
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Wether we should or should not, Jurassic Park should not really influence your opinion too much on this. I just re-read the first book, and while it's a great page turner, Michael Crichton really had a lot of problems with his concept of modern science. Something went wrong during his post-doctoral fellowship and he eventually even began to believe in mumbo jumbo like psychics and that all diseases are caused by our minds. Kind of bad if you're a Harvard medical school graduate ... Definitely try to get an informed opinion about the benefits and dangers of genetic research from somebody other than Michael Crichton. He was a good writer though.

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@Rekt_Hed: @Rekt_Hed said:
Damn dude your speaking some high end talk right there :)       Oh yeh games are great for escapism.  But find that with almost everything in this world is set up so you can lose yourself in it just like movies, Art, nature, music etc. Ive always known that its good to keep open mind to any media or expression of ideas.   Some games are so sophisicated these days (been gaming since 1994) its crazy how many emotions can be evoked.  My main problem with this Gen is that Devs have devised so many ways to keep you invested and replaying games.  I have completionist tendancies which I've had to majorly surpess to be able to stop playing a old game and play new title.  In response to your last sentance I do think that games are a good way to 'relax' but only in the physical side.  Often if ive spent a day off playing a game I will feel just as exhausted as If Ive spent a whole day at work from the mind being constantly active thinking thats its underattack or in danger playing the usual FPS and action games where your constantly caught in some sort of struggle.    But yeh just for the record I do work full time and dont spend every free minute I have gaming as I also have many other past times.  I suppose growing up in the 90s that sorta 'video games are just for kids' mentality is still in my sub conscious making me feel guilty for still playing games at the age of 27.  But the industry has changed so much since when I first played duck hunt on the NES :) "  
 
Sorry about the "high level" stuff - I think I got carried away a bit ;). I agree with everything you said. However, my main problem with this Gen is not that there is SO much to do. I'm more worried that much of it is more and more explicitly designed to constantly attack and stimulate the pleasure and reward centers in our brains. The problem with that is that there are things in real life that are simply hard (i.e., learning quantum physics, becoming a good athlete or musician, learn languages) and that take many, many hours of dedication without instant gratification. These are things that are highly rewarding in the long run, but on the short term they can't compete with things like video games. I'm just worried that many kids are losing the ability to even consider doing such things, given that all they know is instant gratification and instant knowledge from the internet.  Then again, this stuff is not restricted to video games alone, and maybe I'm just getting old and cranky ;) 

It sounds kind of weird, but this might be a reason why I'm actually enjoying clunky games with a soul (e.g., Deadly Premonition or Nier) at least as much as the "best games" out there.  They keep reminding me that the instant gratification of today's best games is something highly artificial.
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It's a very difficult topic. There are several different philosophies that could be applied. I mean, in principle an economist would tell you that you'd want to spend your time in way that it maximizes your happiness - whatever that actually is. An idealist philosopher might tell you to use your limited time so you become the best person you possibly can. Learn, improve, reflect. Others will tell you that the goal in life is to maximize other people's happiness. Others go by more superficial principles like "make everyday something new" or some self-help slogan like that.
 
Whichever route you go, I'm pretty sure that the only one that is not really desirable in any reference frame is the following: to be a hollow shell of a consumer, constantly latching on to the next product that the entertainment industry serves you to suck away your money in exchange for perpetual escapism. Movies, comic books, video games, x, y, z.  "Just never give me a second to think about anything! Keep me wrapped in that artificial womb of fantasy!". Once you've become that person, and you only live your life to work in a job in order to be able to regularly afford your escapism, I'd say your free time is better spent looking for something that gives your life more of a purpose. But that's just my opinion :). 
  
Please don't get me wrong. If you're on a path that feels right for you, there's no problem in wasting time every now and then (or even regularly). You need to recharge your batteries and relax in order to give it your all in those areas in your life that really count. That's what hobbies are good for, right? Just don't make it the only thing you do ... unless you do it for a living. 

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@ThePilgrums: I totally agree to everything you said. I also want to another point to the discussion (hopefully I'm not repeating anybody's arguments from the last 10 pages): "unplayable", "clunky", "bad gameplay" are relative terms - they depend on one's point of reference. For instance, in ambitious Dreamcast-era games, e.g., like Shenmue, you'll find a comparable lack of the layers and layers of polish and niceties that make gaming such a mass market appeal today. You'll even find some parts of the game that are slightly broken. But back then, that was OK. Standards were not yet set in stone, and that was OK. Back then, and to some extend even in the PS2-generation, almost each game was something to be discovered from scratch, and that was OK. 
 
However, nowadays, if the right trigger doesn't fire your primary weapon, the game is immediately regarded as "clunky". Nowadays, reviewers tend to get mad instantly if the standards developed over the course of this console generations are disregarded in one way or another. I can understand why violating the standards would be an unpleasant thing if you have to play games for a living, playing one game after the other, every week. The recent development of making all modern action games pretty much the same type of third person shooter, with the same controls and the same mission structure surely helps with the review. But hat's also one of the reasons why for some people only playing all the ultra-high polished triple-A games is starting to get a little stale. Whether I'm playing Uncharted or Gears of War ... the gameplay itself is the basically identical. Don't get me wrong - I love Uncharted 1 & 2. But I don't want to play Uncharted all throughout the year. That's one of the reasons why I still haven't played Mass Effect 2. I loved the first game. I'm really looking forward to the story in the sequel. But making it another 3rd person shooter? Even if it's a good one - I have only so much free time, and I don't want to spend it doing the same damn thing all the time. 
 
But I'm losing track of my argument here ... My point is: if you can still enjoy PS1-, Dreamcast- and early PS2-era games, and if the current console generation hasn't spoiled you too much, you shouldn't have a lot of problems with the gameplay in Deadly Premonition. That doesn't make the gameplay of DP stellar in any aspect, of course. But it's in no way so bad as call the game "bad". What is a "bad" game anyway?
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@Mikemcn: Ahem ... excuse me, but where have you been for the last 2 years? Governments all over the world had to bail out banks of all sizes because the financial market was too "free", and too capitalistic, to care about the fact that it was thriving on a huge bubble. That bubble had to burst eventually, just like other bubbles have before. If people really believed in the free market to sort it all out, there would have been no bailout, all of these banks would have become bankrupt, the global economic system would have crashed and the world would look different today.  Obviously, this is not what happened. Governments had to chip in - bona fide socialist behaviour. The notion that "capitalism works" pretty much died with the Lehman Brothers. 
 
Pure capitalism works well as an economic theory, and so do several forms of socialism and even communism. It's just that In the real world, to put it bluntly, people eventually tend to fuck it all up. That's because they don't work in the framework of the theory. For instance, the economic theory behind capitalism is basically: profit is the ultimate goal. And in theory that would not only pertain to a short-term increase in money. In theory, having clean air, a well-balanced income distribution in society, a good education system for your kid, and so on and so on, while at the same time making more money than you spend, would all contribute to your profit. The theory requires all people to do what's best for their profits, but also not to act irrationally by destroying their environments, creating social unrest, using very unhealthy products, being so competitive as to effectively obliterate their competition, etc. 
 
So, pretty much all nations on this planet are "fucked up" according to your definition, because most are actually neither 100% capitalist nor  100% socialist, but somewhere in the middle. And that's probably the most sensible way to go, as long as you want to live in a democratic society, because it is what the majority of the people can agree on.
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#8  Edited By the_korben

I love their music - don't really like much of their conspiracy bullshit though. ;)

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#9  Edited By the_korben

Is "code" some code for code? 

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#10  Edited By the_korben

I was certainly my GOTY. Maybe not the "objectively" best game I played this year, and probably not anything with a chance to win many websites' GOTY awards. But it was simply MY game of the year. And that's all that counts for me. Thanks again, SWERY. And cheers to anybody here who feels the same way :)