Why I picked to get a X1 and E3 highlights.

Sitting here eating Subway and listening to Anamanaguchi I had time to think over my decision on my next Gen console purchase and reflect on E3.

Let's start at E3

The highlights for me of course being Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom pain.

Long ago with Metal Gear Solid Kojima brought me into the strange world of Japanese games with his stealth action title. I was not until MGS2 that I fell fully involve with his batshit insane stories a mixture of technology and mystical crap that could more or less just be made into a feature film. So yes Metal Gear Solid 5. Sold on it.

Next up was Watch_Dogs. As I am sure you have all seen this trailer I will not clog up your screens with it. Watch_Dogs hits home with me. The idea of a fully technological run future has amazed me. Why? Because it is all ready here. Right now if the internet went down along with phone lines the entire world would fall into chaos. So the idea of a group of people who on a whim could cause a black out on a city wide scale with a button press amuses me greatly.

Up to bat next is Sunset Overdrive the X1 exclusive from Insomniac games.

Since we know so little about this game I wont spend time on it much. But again a fast paced open world shooter with a chaotic feel to it and not taking its self serious has my attention. I do not like to get to hype over a trailer because well...."Fuse" I just deeply hope it does not get the swam switch that OverStrike did.

Time to raise the black flag with Assassin's Creed IV: Black flag.

Poster for those who where not able to get it on pre-order.

I want to start off that I had a TERRIBLE experience with AC:3. If you all recall the quicklook where the guys had to escort a certain someone. That certain someone had some kinda bug where he ran and jumped off a cliff EVERYTIME. No amount of reloading fixed it. However this does not deter my away from the next one. I am holding onto hope the Creed can win me back. Also...pirate booty.

Last but not least TITAN FALL! Something I am super excited about. Why? MECHS MECHS MECHS MECHS! I have all ways loved mechs. Respawns first FIRST game Titan Fall also promises dedicated servers and awesome battles. Again we have not seen much of this game but I am very excited. Also add to that the fact that AI will also be running about the battle field will hopefully add more chaos to the game.

Now it is time for the fun part.

Why did I pick a X1?

Why could I possibly want to bend to MS DRM and daily check in rules? Why let them spy on me with Kinect?

Because frankly....truthfully? I...do not know. That is right. I do not know.

Back when the PS3 first game out my mother bought me one for X-Mas. (Not X-Men) I enjoyed it deeply and played a lot of games.It was not until recently (when I was 20ish.....ok...like 4 years ago) That I picked up a 360. I quickly learned that the community online was all around the 360. Skip to today and MS has never scorned me. No extended drop in service. No loss of personal info. No hacked account (I know it has happened to others but not to me)

But this leap from 360 to X1 does bring in some stuff that makes people mad. Like REAL mad. Internet mad.

Let's list below

  • DRM. You can only give it to one friend before it can no longer be given again. This friend must be on your friends list.
  • Daily check in. The process taking only kilobytes of data alienates those over seas fighting in the war or people who do not have access to a internet connection.
  • Kinect. Kinect is required to be plugged in for the X1 to work. Always watching....always.
  • The full and utter ignorance of their customers complaints about above issues.

I know some of these issues are a BIG deal for people but to me. Only one really irks me. The way PR has handled it all. *Fuck you Mattrick*

But let's start from the top.

DRM

When I buy a game normally I buy it new. My last used purchase was Darksiders because well they no longer print new copies of a game. The only time I do get game pre-owned is when I was kinda interested in them at launch but not enough for the 60 dollar price tag *Or your equivalent* To be honest I do not "Lend" games. I do not let friends "borrow" games. I "GIVE" them. Once I have beaten a game I trade it in (Which is now in the hands of the publishers for both groups) Or GIVE it to a friend. Someone who maybe can not afford to get the game till its cheaper. I do not expect it back.

I see this new system the same as Steam. Once you buy a game it is yours. Steam does not even allow you to give it away when you are done with it. I know using Steam as the example is not the best but it is simple and easy to understand. True you can give extra copies to friends but that original game is YOURS. No trade ins, no giving away.

But! BUT!. Lets not forget the new "Family Library" MS is toting. Course again this is something they have been murky about the details with but having a library of games that any of my friends (10 friends) Can get into and play is great for me. That friend who can not get the game one release? He can nab it from my library wile I work or sleep. Sadly we do not have the full details about this system and well it could be some stupid paid for library group or the what not.

DAILY CHECK-IN!

This is from what I have seen the biggest issue people have. What about the soldiers over seas? What about the people who do not have a constant internet connection? What if your power goes out?

To that I have a few things to say. In today's world *Like when I talked about Watch_Dogs* we are all connected. Some not as much as other but if this little "Check in" is as small as MS claims then the connection would barely need to be a few moments long. MS has also added you can tether your phone and get the check that way. (More on this below)

I have Verizion Fios quantum (Or what ever the hell they call it now) The only time I drop connection is during a massive storm and that is when we lose power. If that is the case well...I can play my Vita or read a book. In short I do not have this issue.

Ya that sounds selfish. "Na na na na" *Batman* I have internet and you do not" I understand that people who really do have issue with internet connections must be mad. I fully agree that MS is more or less screwing them but I can not help with that. There is nothing I can say to prove that I know how they feel so I will not. I will only hope that MS makes it so those people can play without the internet.

KINECT

The Kinect thing seems to have died down in the last few days but before E3 it seemed to blow people's minds that it would need to be connected *No fuck you I am not gonna make a Kinect pun* for the system to work. My first thought was "O that's dumb. What if the stupid thing breaks" Never did I think " O god Hal is watching me play COD naked" Or listening to my conversations.

I am sorry. But a device that can be beaten by the same method I used to quiet my pet bird and make her go to sleep is not a device that worries me. Take a look at your Facebook or Twitter feeds. There is all ready a massive amount of information out there. Even more so if you have a store card that gives you discounts. Some even including your Phone number, address, spending habits, amount spent, items you buy, and times you shop.

All in all I am not worried about MS watching me. If they wanna spy on me playing Titan Fall and enjoying it more power to them and if I get creeped out I will just turn the camera to face the wall.

PUBLIC RELATIONS

THIS is the biggest issue I have had with all the X1 and MS stuff. Microsoft must have the worst PR ever. Within a week A WEEK of E3 Mattrack has alienated the entire military and people with internet troubles. More or less saying " I feel for people on nuclear subs I really do" Or " If you do not have internet we have this other device called the 360" NO NO NO NO NO. That is not how you do it. These people are your customers. You do not just shrug and say " Well we have this other system thats out of date" Or " I know how you feel" But make not try to assure them they are no less important to the company.

This coupled with the mixed messages from Xbox Support Twitter. Makes me think that maybe 3 people really know what is going on with the X1. The lack of proper information is the biggest issue (I think) that MS has. We can only hope gamescon will allow this to be sorted out or Major Nelson to make another blog post *A less murky one* About all of this stuff.

Well all thanks for reading. I know I am not the best blogger out there but I just wanted to get this out there. I have been seen around the forums defending X1 but mostly because I do no feel the fire of anger should rain down until we have ALL the info. If we get it all and indeed MS is doing all this just to gather information on us or some other crazy thing then by all means burn down their headquarters.

Till then.

See ya Space cowboys.

O ya. I am on Twitter.

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258 Comments
Posted by sdharrison

This is precisely the type of post I'm expecting to see more of. The internet backlash will actually loop back around on itself so that getting an XBone is the true test of being a "pure gamer".

All you care about are THE GAMES AND THAT'S IT BRO. Sunset Overdrive looks like the kind of experience you want to have, and the pure act of gaming is so important to you, that you will traverse ANY distance and tackle ANY obstacle to make that happen. Cell phone pic of the pre order receipt. Day 1 youtube unboxing.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Edited by The_Laughing_Man

@sdharrison said:

This is precisely the type of post I'm expecting to see more of. The internet backlash will actually loop back around on itself so that getting an XBone is the true test of being a "pure gamer".

All you care about are THE GAMES AND THAT'S IT BRO. Sunset Overdrive looks like the kind of experience you want to have, and the pure act of gaming is so important to you, that you will traverse ANY distance and tackle ANY obstacle to make that happen. Cell phone pic of the pre order receipt. Day 1 youtube unboxing.

This is why we can't have nice things.

What distance and what obstacle? I have none that bother the other people. I am one of the people MS is marketing to. But I understand the people who cant get the system because of the requirements. I also think Mattrick is some idiot and MS has made some major mistakes.

MS has never scorned me. Why turn away for issues that dont bother me?

But I do think if they keep this shit up they will lose the people who have pre-ordered the system.

Edited by jimmyfenix

Good blog man. I decided to go with a ps4 mainly of the price and PS plus other then that i will have a pc to play games which wont come to ps4 like titan fall.

Posted by CommanderGermanShepard

Family sharing doesn't mean you and 10 others can play the same game, it means you can give someone a game who is on your "family list". None of that stuff is worth making game discs completely invaluable once they have been redeemed like a PC game, the new generation of gamers probably don't have an issue with this, but as someone that still has all their favourite games from my child hood as well as the consoles and being able to play them any time is something I value.

Posted by The_Laughing_Man

Good blog man. I decided to go with a ps4 mainly of the price and PS plus other then that i will have a pc to play games which wont come to ps4 like titan fall.

Trust me. If I could build a good gaming rig and had the room I would. But right now a console is small enough to fit in my room. I also have major issues with room temperature and right now its sitting about 100 degrees when not sitting right infront of my fan.

I will get a PS4 when I have enough room and some more money.

Posted by The_Laughing_Man

Family sharing doesn't mean you and 10 others can play the same game, it means you can give someone a game who is on your "family list". None of that stuff is worth making game discs completely invaluable once they have been redeemed like a PC game, the new generation of gamers probably don't have an issue with this, but as someone that still has all their favourite games from my child hood as well as the consoles and being able to play them any time is something I value.

They can play if I am not playing it. But ya. For that first few days that game is all mine.

Edited by CommanderGermanShepard

@the_laughing_man said:

@commandergermanshepard said:

Family sharing doesn't mean you and 10 others can play the same game, it means you can give someone a game who is on your "family list". None of that stuff is worth making game discs completely invaluable once they have been redeemed like a PC game, the new generation of gamers probably don't have an issue with this, but as someone that still has all their favourite games from my child hood as well as the consoles and being able to play them any time is something I value.

They can play if I am not playing it. But ya. For that first few days that game is all mine.

No I'm pretty sure you can share it with one person. Then it has been "shared". But who knows with all the misinformation coming out of Xbox. I heard my friends the other day talking about only 1 of us would have to buy BF4 or FIFA 14 and we could all play it at the same time...yeah like EA is going to let that happen. I feel like MS is spreading these rumors.

Posted by The_Laughing_Man

@the_laughing_man said:

@commandergermanshepard said:

Family sharing doesn't mean you and 10 others can play the same game, it means you can give someone a game who is on your "family list". None of that stuff is worth making game discs completely invaluable once they have been redeemed like a PC game, the new generation of gamers probably don't have an issue with this, but as someone that still has all their favourite games from my child hood as well as the consoles and being able to play them any time is something I value.

They can play if I am not playing it. But ya. For that first few days that game is all mine.

No I'm pretty sure you can share it with one person. Then it has been "shared".

Its been quoted you can have a shared game library and anyone can get access to that library.

http://screencrush.com/xbox-ones-shared-library-alllows-friends-family-to-play-your-games/

Granted the way it is worded makes it sound only one person at a time can play games in there *aside from you* But I can deal with that.

Edited by BIGJEFFREY

According to other places Mattrick is being shut up.

Also yeah Xbox still has the games that appeal to me. I could list them but ehhh

I am fortunate enough to have internet. The check ins are fine with me as i have not moved my Xbox from where it sits in years and don't plan on going to cabins in the woods anytime soon.

I'm already invested in the Xbox Ecosystem why stop now.

What Sony showed did not scream to me. I mean just stop trying to make Killzone happen really, it's not your Halo come on.

was happy to hear Kingdom Hearts 3 was also Xbox ONE, i probably won't play it but it's still a option.

Posted by The_Laughing_Man

@the_laughing_man said:

@commandergermanshepard said:

Family sharing doesn't mean you and 10 others can play the same game, it means you can give someone a game who is on your "family list". None of that stuff is worth making game discs completely invaluable once they have been redeemed like a PC game, the new generation of gamers probably don't have an issue with this, but as someone that still has all their favourite games from my child hood as well as the consoles and being able to play them any time is something I value.

They can play if I am not playing it. But ya. For that first few days that game is all mine.

No I'm pretty sure you can share it with one person. Then it has been "shared". But who knows with all the misinformation coming out of Xbox. I heard my friends the other day talking about only 1 of us would have to buy BF4 or FIFA 14 and we could all play it at the same time...yeah like EA is going to let that happen. I feel like MS is spreading these rumors.

And that is my BIGGEST issue. No one knows what the fuck is going on.

Posted by CommanderGermanShepard

@commandergermanshepard said:

@the_laughing_man said:

@commandergermanshepard said:

Family sharing doesn't mean you and 10 others can play the same game, it means you can give someone a game who is on your "family list". None of that stuff is worth making game discs completely invaluable once they have been redeemed like a PC game, the new generation of gamers probably don't have an issue with this, but as someone that still has all their favourite games from my child hood as well as the consoles and being able to play them any time is something I value.

They can play if I am not playing it. But ya. For that first few days that game is all mine.

No I'm pretty sure you can share it with one person. Then it has been "shared".

Its been quoted you can have a shared game library and anyone can get access to that library.

http://screencrush.com/xbox-ones-shared-library-alllows-friends-family-to-play-your-games/

Granted the way it is worded makes it sound only one person at a time can play games in there *aside from you* But I can deal with that.

You can't play the game you are "sharing"

Posted by yoshimitz707

@sdharrison: I can understand why you would feel annoyed by his post but you should also be able to see things from my and his position. We're both in a place where any DRM or online restrictions have ZERO effect on us. So why wouldn't we get the system if it has games we want?

Posted by FinalDasa

The X1 comes across as the console for 5 years from now. One day lending a friend a disc won't matter because you'll buy it all digitally. DRM won't matter because you'll be online all the time anyways. It's all Steam essentially.

They just did a horrendous job of marketing.

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Posted by The_Laughing_Man

@the_laughing_man said:

@commandergermanshepard said:

@the_laughing_man said:

@commandergermanshepard said:

Family sharing doesn't mean you and 10 others can play the same game, it means you can give someone a game who is on your "family list". None of that stuff is worth making game discs completely invaluable once they have been redeemed like a PC game, the new generation of gamers probably don't have an issue with this, but as someone that still has all their favourite games from my child hood as well as the consoles and being able to play them any time is something I value.

They can play if I am not playing it. But ya. For that first few days that game is all mine.

No I'm pretty sure you can share it with one person. Then it has been "shared".

Its been quoted you can have a shared game library and anyone can get access to that library.

http://screencrush.com/xbox-ones-shared-library-alllows-friends-family-to-play-your-games/

Granted the way it is worded makes it sound only one person at a time can play games in there *aside from you* But I can deal with that.

You can't play the game you are "sharing"

I know that. And I hope if they are playing it and I sign on it kicks their asses off. Its my game first and mine to share. Power to them to play it when I am not there. But If I am. ITS MINE.

Posted by sdharrison

Honestly though, I do think Microsoft has been so insulting every step of the way. Even the argument that they have some engaging launch exclusives smells bad. It's as if they're throwing us a bone saying "Ok fine, let them eat cake. Here, plebes, here are your 'games' - now obey, and accept what we give you. ELSE THERE BE NO GAMES!" I'm a current XBOX 360 owner, and have been for the entire generation. I was absolutely in Microsofts camp. But every single step of the way they have done everything except make an appealing case.

As cogent as this blog post was, it still isn't making a case for why the Xbone is APPEALING. Rather, you're using cognitive dissonance to walk around the myriad of glaring issues surrounding the console. Price, hardware, functionality, consumer rights, privacy, etc are ALL issues with the Xbone. If you want one for the games, fine. But it really is a damaging product, moving in the wrong direction for consumers.

Posted by CommanderGermanShepard

@commandergermanshepard said:

@the_laughing_man said:

@commandergermanshepard said:

Family sharing doesn't mean you and 10 others can play the same game, it means you can give someone a game who is on your "family list". None of that stuff is worth making game discs completely invaluable once they have been redeemed like a PC game, the new generation of gamers probably don't have an issue with this, but as someone that still has all their favourite games from my child hood as well as the consoles and being able to play them any time is something I value.

They can play if I am not playing it. But ya. For that first few days that game is all mine.

No I'm pretty sure you can share it with one person. Then it has been "shared". But who knows with all the misinformation coming out of Xbox. I heard my friends the other day talking about only 1 of us would have to buy BF4 or FIFA 14 and we could all play it at the same time...yeah like EA is going to let that happen. I feel like MS is spreading these rumors.

And that is my BIGGEST issue. No one knows what the fuck is going on.

Exactly why I won't buy from MS until this is all explained, this whole policy felt slapped together after the PS4 E3 conference. But anyway I just don't care at all about kinect, so paying $100 more for a less powerful system because of the camera just doesn't fly with me. Have enjoyed 7 years of 360 but looking forward to the PS4, will hang on to 360 and might pick up a XBONE in the future if the exclusives are worth it.

Posted by jimmyfenix

@bigjeffrey: Persona 5 PS4 exclusive :D ? (It will be multi platform but crazier things have happened)

Posted by Mikewarrior

How do you pro Xbone guys explain the less than clear intensions of Microsoft's policies, the backtracking, the PR spin, the misdirection, the unforgiving remarks, and how they think of you as ignorant because they know you will buy no matter what? How does that make you feel?

Posted by The_Laughing_Man

How do you pro Xbone guys explain the less than clear intensions of Microsoft's policies, the backtracking, the PR spin, the misdirection, the unforgiving remarks, and how they think of you as ignorant because they know you will buy no matter what? How does that make you feel?

Sony did it with the PS3.

It makes me feel like Mattrick is a nit wit and that we have to sift though bullshit to get the answers. THE SAME THAT HAPPENED TO THE PS3

Edited by ptys

Microsoft loves consumers like you, they'd take your whole family hostage and still convince you that it was your fault, lol. It's important, even if you are going to buy an Xbox to send these companies a message with what you disagree with as a consumer. If you say nothing they just keep tightening the screws.

Posted by geirr

Well you vote with your money and if you're fine with everything Microsoft does then please continue supporting their future efforts.

Edited by The_Laughing_Man

@ptys said:

Microsoft loves consumers like you, they'd take your whole family hostage and still convince you that it was your fault, lol. It's important, even if you are going to buy an Xbox to send these companies a message with what you disagree with as a consumer. If you say nothing they just keep tightening the screws.

Sadly this is the way with most companies in the world. And I know it sounds well...selfish but I have no issues with their polices. None of them have ill to me.

*waits to be called sheep*

MS is trying to be the next Steam. I have no issue with that. More power to them if they slip in game sales. I feel the only reason people are getting mad is because its something new.

Posted by sdharrison

@mikewarrior said:

How do you pro Xbone guys explain the less than clear intensions of Microsoft's policies, the backtracking, the PR spin, the misdirection, the unforgiving remarks, and how they think of you as ignorant because they know you will buy no matter what? How does that make you feel?

Sony did it with the PS3.

It makes me feel like Mattrick is a nit wit and that we have to sift though bullshit to get the answers. THE SAME THAT HAPPENED TO THE PS3

Not really, man. There was controversy and confusion about its perceived power and features, but the PS3 was still a gaming console, with blu ray and a free online service. It was mishandled, but the core experience was reasonable.

The Xbone is mired in controversy because it's less a gaming console, and more of a trojan horse for Microsoft to move toward a publisher focused world of entertainment. It's a redefinition of software ownership through the guise of a games box. I don't think I'm being unfair saying that.

Edited by Mikewarrior

@the_laughing_man said:

@mikewarrior said:

How do you pro Xbone guys explain the less than clear intensions of Microsoft's policies, the backtracking, the PR spin, the misdirection, the unforgiving remarks, and how they think of you as ignorant because they know you will buy no matter what? How does that make you feel?

Sony did it with the PS3.

It makes me feel like Mattrick is a nit wit and that we have to sift though bullshit to get the answers. THE SAME THAT HAPPENED TO THE PS3

Yeah, and it hurt them. Sony learned from it, and are hitting on all cylinders now. Plus, Microsoft is doing it 10-fold to what Sony did. You can save up to buy a PS3, not everyone can save up to get better internet in their area. You are also admitting support for the many things they are doing wrong, no matter what. I didn't give Sony support right away until they improved, yet you are willing to give in so easily right away. I would call that weak.

Posted by The_Laughing_Man

@the_laughing_man said:

@mikewarrior said:

How do you pro Xbone guys explain the less than clear intensions of Microsoft's policies, the backtracking, the PR spin, the misdirection, the unforgiving remarks, and how they think of you as ignorant because they know you will buy no matter what? How does that make you feel?

Sony did it with the PS3.

It makes me feel like Mattrick is a nit wit and that we have to sift though bullshit to get the answers. THE SAME THAT HAPPENED TO THE PS3

Yeah, and it hurt them. Sony learned from it, and are hitting on all cylinders now. Plus, Microsoft is doing it 10-fold to what Sony did. You can save up to buy a PS3, not everyone can save up to get better internet in their area. You are also admitting support for the many things they are doing wrong, no matter what. I didn't give Sony support right away until they improved, yet you are willing to give in so easily right away. I would call that weak.

Microsoft may as well spit in your face and have you lap it up with a smile. Pathetic!

You mean like Sony telling you to get a second job to get a PS3?

Edited by BIGJEFFREY

@jimmyfenix said:

@bigjeffrey: Persona 5 PS4 exclusive :D ? (It will be multi platform but crazier things have happened)

I'm expecting that to be a PS3 and Xbox 360 game. (Install Base is there)

Catherine was a ATLUS game by the Persona Team, multiplatform

there is my evidence.

Edited by ThePickle

Since we don't know if any of the the are any good, it seems crazy to say "I'm going with Xbox because they have the games I want to play!" The last great system launch lineup was the SNES. A good number of people on Giant Bomb (including myself) weren't even alive the last time a system was worth getting day one.

Your being asked to compromises you shouldn't have to for games that you don't know if you'll enjoy. And of the four games you mentioned, 3 are coming to other consoles/PC.

Edited by The_Laughing_Man

Since we don't know if any of the the are any good, it seems crazy to say "I'm going with Xbox because they have the games I want to play!" The last great system launch lineup was the SNES. A good number of people on Giant Bomb (including myself) weren't even alive the last time a system was worth getting day one.

Your being asked to compromises you shouldn't have to for games that you don't know if you'll enjoy. And of the four games you mentioned, 3 are coming to other consoles/PC.

Which you can get on steam. Which needs internet anyways and wont let you trade them in.

Compromise where?

Edited by BIGJEFFREY

YOU'RE A SHILL

How much did Micro$oft Pay You to Write this Post?

Did they pay you in Xbox LIVE Gold or Micro$oft Money ?

Posted by sdharrison

I also disagree with the idea that we're inevitably moving toward a world where you don't "own" digital purchases. The argument among the gaming press is that it's just the future, so deal with it.

As a consumer, I just don't see the give and take. If you want to take away my flexibility, you better provide something. Steam offers a smooth delivery pipeline, social features and negotiated bargains that make even the most cynical mouth water. For free. Purely as a digital delivery platform, that is attractive. Microsoft just wants wants wants wants and wants. They are only "giving" by saying they will invest money in game development. Yay?

Posted by Mikewarrior

You mean like Sony telling you to get a second job to get a PS3?

You think that's worse than telling service men and women that if they want an offline system, go get a 360? Really, you want to go there?

Edited by Angouri

Hard for me to side with Microsoft. The best parts of the 360 for me were XBLA, not the first-party exclusives. And if all of those are transitioning to steam/PS4...

Also, Sony 1st party is pretty dope: Uncharted 2/3 were fantastic games to play, and some of their weirder stuff like Pixeljunk and thatgamecompany are way more interesting. I'm interested in seeing what Microsoft's push for XBLA-like titles will be on X1, but announcing 1 Capy game does not beat out Adam Boyes 8 screens of majesty.

Edited by The_Laughing_Man

@the_laughing_man said:

You mean like Sony telling you to get a second job to get a PS3?

You think that's worse than telling service men and women that if they want an offline system, go get a 360? Really, you want to go there?

That was Mattrick and MS has said they are trying to shut his stupid mouth.

Posted by Sin4profit

I continue to not understand why people feel the need to choose a side right now over two products that are, currently, completely untested.

Edited by ThePickle

@thepickle said:

Since we don't know if any of the the are any good, it seems crazy to say "I'm going with Xbox because they have the games I want to play!" The last great system launch lineup was the SNES. A good number of people on Giant Bomb (including myself) weren't even alive the last time a system was worth getting day one.

Your being asked to compromises you shouldn't have to for games that you don't know if you'll enjoy. And of the four games you mentioned, 3 are coming to other consoles/PC.

Which you can get on steam. Which needs internet anyways and wont let you trade them in.

Compromise where?

Stuff like "I don't care if MS is spying on me!" or "I have an internet connection that for the time being has been stable!" There is a product available (for a better price) that doesn't require any of this nonsense.

And we have absolutely exhausted the Steam/Xbone comparisons. They are not the same thing.

Edited by sdharrison

@thepickle said:

Since we don't know if any of the the are any good, it seems crazy to say "I'm going with Xbox because they have the games I want to play!" The last great system launch lineup was the SNES. A good number of people on Giant Bomb (including myself) weren't even alive the last time a system was worth getting day one.

Your being asked to compromises you shouldn't have to for games that you don't know if you'll enjoy. And of the four games you mentioned, 3 are coming to other consoles/PC.

This is also a great point. I'm not buying a PS4 purely for the launch games - I'm getting it because its a fabulous value as a gaming platform going forward. Prior to the announcements, I had totally planned on getting whatever Microsofts next offering was. But from every perspective, the PS4 is just a more attractive device at a better value. I have no doubt these launch lineups will be long forgotten in the grand scheme of things.

Posted by The_Laughing_Man

@the_laughing_man said:

@thepickle said:

Since we don't know if any of the the are any good, it seems crazy to say "I'm going with Xbox because they have the games I want to play!" The last great system launch lineup was the SNES. A good number of people on Giant Bomb (including myself) weren't even alive the last time a system was worth getting day one.

Your being asked to compromises you shouldn't have to for games that you don't know if you'll enjoy. And of the four games you mentioned, 3 are coming to other consoles/PC.

Which you can get on steam. Which needs internet anyways and wont let you trade them in.

Compromise where?

Stuff like "I don't care if MS is spying on me!" or "I have an internet connection that for the time being has been stable!" There is a product available (for a better price) that doesn't require any of this nonsense.

And we have absolutely exhausted the Steam/Xbone comparisons. They are not the same thing.

Like I stated above I do not have room for a full fledge PC in my current room.

And from what I have seen Steam/Xbox share their DRM (Minus the daily check in. Which I plan to have connected anyways)

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@the_laughing_man said:

Which you can get on steam. Which needs internet anyways and wont let you trade them in.

Compromise where?

Does Microsoft offer $1 quality games on their service? Do Steam games need a 24 hour online check to throw new ads at you for the games to play?

Posted by sdharrison

Bottom line: Nicely formatted blog post - I think your reasoning is deeply flawed. I remain utterly unconvinced of even the slightest hint of value in owning an Xbone at launch.

Edited by Nekroskop

"I don't mind people spying on me. I have nothing to hide"

^Way to piss away your consumer rights.^

And comparing Xbone to steam is just wrong. You can be offline forever and 99% of the games you have installed work.

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@ahaisthisourchance said:

"I don't mind people spying on me. I have nothing to hide"

^Way to piss away your consumer rights.^

And comparing Xbone to steam is just wrong. You can be offline forever and 99% of the games you have installed work.

1. Or I can face the Camera to look at the wall....wait...do you have something to hide? Are you the dude cutting up people in EU?

2. What rights are being taken away? I can still trade in the game. Or give it to that one person who then can trade it to the store. Steam does not even let you trade used games.

3. How is steam different aside from the Sales? And internet ( course you still need it for online stuff. Major Nelson has also SEMI alluded to that if you have the disk you might not need to check in)

As for whether the check-in period would be removed if the user had the physical disc, Nelson stated he’d get back to us on that.

http://gamingbolt.com/major-nelson-addresses-drm-concerns-silencing-don-mattrick-and-how-ps4-isnt-a-threat#S1VTCM15Fk2P6I6y.99

Posted by w1n5t0n

@the_laughing_man: I see your point but disagree on your comparison to Steam. Steam is not a console, it's one of many sources of games on an open platform. One of the benefits of consoles was simplicity, you place a game in and it plays it. It seems the Xbox One has lost that without giving anything return. As for Xbox's 10 person family share, I don't see that as a perk since I can share a physical disc with a million people if I wanted to.

Posted by sdharrison

If anything, I'd just wait. I don't see pre ordering a PS4 as a terrible thing because it's a known commodity. They're not changing the essence of a gaming box, but just increasing the horsepower and adapting it for the next 5-8 years. The Xbone is trying to significantly alter the industry.

Just wait and see what early adopters actually think of it. Is the Kinect amazing? Is the sharing actually cool and worth it? Don't go day 1 and find out. I think that is a much smarter play.

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@w1n5t0n said:

@the_laughing_man: I see your point but disagree on your comparison to Steam. Steam is not a console, it's one of many sources of games on an open platform. One of the benefits of consoles was simplicity, you place a game in and it plays it. It seems the Xbox One has lost that without giving anything return. As for Xbox's 10 person family share, I don't see that as a perk since I can share a physical disc with a million people if I wanted to.

The perk is you do not need the disk in the system. And what if you buy digital? No disk to share. And if there is no disk no risks of damage or theft.

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@the_laughing_man You really want to like this thing, don't you? More power to you man, but personally I'll stay away from it. I might even never see one, as it breaks every consumer and privacy laws in my country.

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@w1n5t0n said:

@the_laughing_man: I see your point but disagree on your comparison to Steam. Steam is not a console, it's one of many sources of games on an open platform. One of the benefits of consoles was simplicity, you place a game in and it plays it. It seems the Xbox One has lost that without giving anything return. As for Xbox's 10 person family share, I don't see that as a perk since I can share a physical disc with a million people if I wanted to.

The perk is you do not need the disk in the system. And what if you buy digital? No disk to share. And if there is no disk no risks of damage or theft.

Maybe that's a big enough incentive for you, but for me, not having to put a disc in is not worth limiting my ownership and control of games I buy.

Posted by EpicSteve

It's a little too early in the game to really take in the full scope of what any of these policies really mean.

As a soldier I do feel a little betrayed that Microsoft won't support our men and women away from home or stationed in unsupported countries like Japan and South Korea.

However, it's about YOUR experience. If YOU aren't affected and YOU feel that Microsoft has given you excellent service than YOU are in your full rights to buy this console.

I'll end up with an XONE. I have a solid enough Internet connection that I'm confident nothing will go wrong on my end. However, I've getting a PS4 at launch. No real reason to go next-gen at all, let alone get both. I'm just going with the cheaper option.

Posted by The_Laughing_Man

It's a little too early in the game to really take in the full scope of what any of these policies really mean.

As a soldier I do feel a little betrayed that Microsoft won't support our men and women away from home or stationed in unsupported countries like Japan and South Korea.

However, it's about YOUR experience. If YOU aren't affected and YOU feel that Microsoft has given you excellent service than YOU are in your full rights to buy this console.

I'll end up with an XONE. I have a solid enough Internet connection that I'm confident nothing will go wrong on my end. However, I've getting a PS4 at launch. No real reason to go next-gen at all, let alone get both. I'm just going with the cheaper option.

And this is the entire point of the blog. It is the system for me. And as Steve says. He as a solid net connection but still wants a PS4. PS4 is for him.