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#1 Posted by TheCheese33 (353 posts) -

I agree 100%. GamerGate is nothing but a hate group, and as women's lives continue to be threatened, staying silent does more harm than good. Giant Bomb should denounce them entirely.

#2 Posted by TheCheese33 (353 posts) -

Battle cry: "China Don't Care"

Motto: "Have a little pre-toilet pie!"

#3 Posted by TheCheese33 (353 posts) -

@thecheese33 said:

Just felt the need to hop in here and say that the popularized image of MLK as a totally peaceful, non-aggressive person does a disservice to his actual writing, speeches and message. He certainly advocated nonviolent protests, but works like Letter from a Birmingham Jail were fiery and charged; most of us just don't see it that way at first glance today, because we live in a very different, more socially progressive society compared to the past. He never minced words, and he wasn't afraid to call it like he saw it. Of course, that doesn't sit well with a society who prefers activism to be rosy, calmly spoken, and easily pushed to the side, so his image has been molded by history books and schoolteachers to fit their own needs. Our society tends to neuter the work that our more radical figures accomplished right after they pass away and lose the ability to contest their representation.

I do think there's a fine line to walk between being passionate and essentially insulting your audience, but sometimes there's just no way to sugarcoat things without being safely put aside and ignored by the white, patriarchal majority. Sometimes you have to get raw in order to do the subject justice.

I'm not saying Samantha Allen's critique is perfect, but please understand that arguments should not be dismissed simply because they weren't presented with a bow and a soothing voice. King was never that.

I'm a sociology teacher, so I have a read a lot of his stuff too. I guess at a certain point it's subjective, but I always took him as fiery and angry at times, but never hateful. And he always balanced his anger with words of peace and nonviolence. My main point was the comparison with the Black Panthers, who in contrast saw it as a war they were willing to fight to win.

Neither really applies exactly to a much different modern debate, of course. However gay marriage and LGBT acceptance is unarguably winning the debate, and it's doing that by making people empathize with those who just want to love their significant other and not be demonized for it. When we turn it into a war and start throwing around the bigot label we do ourselves a disservice, in my opinion. We put those who might be creeped out by homosexuality or who were raised to dislike it into a defensive position of insisting they're not bigots, rather than trying to get them to empathize with a dude who just wants to marry his boyfriend and live his life in peace.

Obviously there are still times to get angry, but I think some go overboard, and that was my only point. When Ben Kuchera starts calling Nintendo executives bigots who should be fired I think he does the movement a disservice.

A fair point. I feel like some of the greatest acceptance has come from points of empathy when lawmakers and citizens alike have discovered that their family member, co-worker or neighbor are part of the spectrum. Hopefully that trend continues; I've been lucky enough to live in a fairly spacious bubble by figuring things out during college and having supportive parents, but things desperately need to improve for people in worse situations.

#4 Posted by TheCheese33 (353 posts) -

@evajolli said:

@stingingvelvet: it is about dumbing it down to people like you who can't read it without getting upset. yes i read it and i agree with her statements, it is bigoted to label my people a social statement, it's straight up republican handbook shit. if you really did agree with the male author who doesn't seem "crazy" to you, you'd know why the lgbt community is upset, and in turn understand why samantha allen is upset. that is, if your empath works.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say because your writing is a little haphazard here. Of course my empathy works and of course I understand the issues, that's all beside the point. The point we're actually making is all about tone and style. When you write aggressively, and "hate the hate" for lack of a better term, you invite anger back at you. When you write with the goal of making people understand your feelings, how it feels to be treated this way, then you invite empathy from your audience.

One is convincing one is not. Go back in time and compare Martin Luther King Jr. with the Black Panthers. Which do you think did more to bring about racial tolerance in America?

Just felt the need to hop in here and say that the popularized image of MLK as a totally peaceful, non-aggressive person does a disservice to his actual writing, speeches and message. He certainly advocated nonviolent protests, but works like Letter from a Birmingham Jail were fiery and charged; most of us just don't see it that way at first glance today, because we live in a very different, more socially progressive society compared to the past. He never minced words, and he wasn't afraid to call it like he saw it. Of course, that doesn't sit well with a society who prefers activism to be rosy, calmly spoken, and easily pushed to the side, so his image has been molded by history books and schoolteachers to fit their own needs. Our society tends to neuter the work that our more radical figures accomplished right after they pass away and lose the ability to contest their representation.

I do think there's a fine line to walk between being passionate and essentially insulting your audience, but sometimes there's just no way to sugarcoat things without being safely put aside and ignored by the white, patriarchal majority. Sometimes you have to get raw in order to do the subject justice.

I'm not saying Samantha Allen's critique is perfect, but please understand that arguments should not be dismissed simply because they weren't presented with a bow and a soothing voice. King was never that.

#5 Edited by TheCheese33 (353 posts) -

@hailinel: I agree. Honestly, it's a really tricky situation whenever this stuff happens, because I feel like if everyone somehow got on the same wavelength, we wouldn't generate hundreds of comments worth of sparring over issues that we'd ultimately agree on in a different context? It's hard to find that balance where you can say what you need to say about feminism and gay rights without turning the outsiders away. And I can't begrudge the groups I'm part of or the groups I'm separate from when they use terse words; it all affects us in different ways. I have friends from every walk of life, and when they get angry, I'm well aware that their anger comes from a place where they've been really hurt. But others get caught in the crossfire, and you're put in the unfortunate place where you're left scrambling, trying to get everyone back on good terms and on the same page.

While these issues have existed for time immemorial, the rise of the Internet has made humans realize just who they're living next to, and they're exposed to all sorts of issues that they've never had to think about in their lives. A large number of people are taught from only one perspective for most of their childhood and early years, so they don't know how to react when a woman talks about her harassers, or a person in a male body struggles with an inexplicably painful need to be in a female body. I try to be understanding and explain things to the people who aren't aware (though there's only so much I can do before I have to move on), but there's always the risk that I'll mistakenly open up wounds in their perception that I, likewise, didn't know existed, and it just snowballs from there. We even have people who get unbelievably angry when their favorite game gets criticized, and it's a real battle to help them understand that we're not insulting them when we critique Star Wars or Marvel.

Hopefully, as we continue to hash out these issues for a long time, we'll find a way to express pain, desire and anger without devolving into a shouting match, or punching low blows. Until then, the best we can do is continue to try and explain things even when blood enters the water.

#6 Edited by TheCheese33 (353 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@thecheese33: How do you know she's not being serious? Further, even if she isn't being serious, under what context is that sort of thing funny, or even slightly amusing? Why should anyone that doesn't know her expect, at first glance, that she's joking?

As for empathy, you sound like you could use a little practice yourself. Yes, it is a big deal to some people, but that does not mean that people that don't find it a big deal are necessarily against your stance. Different people get outraged over different things. Also, I don't see many people in here saying, "Get over it." What I see people saying is that some, like Samantha, are approaching the topic from too far in the other extreme. There's not taking something seriously at all, and then there's taking something so seriously that you seek out evidence of intentional offense where none exists.

If Nintendo's statements hurt you, explain how and why they hurt you. It's not sufficient to say, "They hurt me and you're all a bunch of jerks for not understanding the feelings I've done nothing to describe." Particularly when other LGBT gamers that have born witness to this haven't expressed hurt feelings to the degree that you apparently have. The people that organized the drive to at least bring the issue to Nintendo's attention are not responding with a boycott. Their handling of the denial, both the initial press release and the clarification, has been upstanding and respectful. Disagreement does not need to give birth to protest and rage.

I linked this above, but again, I would encourage you to read it. This is not just a Nintendo issue or a Japan issue. It is an issue that many developers have faced and fumbled. Zeroing in on Nintendo is missing the forest for the trees.

You have a point in the first part. I've been following Maddy Meyers and her friends on Twitter for quite a while, so it's altogether possible that I'm just accustomed to their humor and see them interacting with men positively on a day to day basis. I was trying to keep down the accusatory tone by offering up that people might simply be mistaken OR purposefully casting it in the wrong light, but now I realize that still sounds way too accusatory, and that people might really think the "kill all men" thing is legitimate.

On empathy: I'm really sorry if I made it seem like people who didn't think it was a big deal were immediately against me. Wasn't my intention. I'm frustrated with the subset (not necessarily on this site) who say it isn't a big deal and that we should just get over ourselves, but it's altogether possible that people don't find it a big deal and aren't saying it to shut down and hurt others. It just feels like... well, when someone just says "I don't see the problem" and doesn't really add anything else, it sometimes feels like they're trying to purposefully negate your feelings on a topic that doesn't impact them, but certainly impacts you. And that causes terse standoffs, confrontations, dismissals, etc. It's a complex issue, and one that isn't necessarily helped by the faceless, often quick nature of Internet discourse.

As for why what Nintendo said hurt... saying that they didn't want to make "social commentary" by including gay relationships is really dehumanizing. They, like so many others, consider my sexuality to be a political statement, which is something that can be objected to or dismissed as illegitimate. I already face rejection and "other-ing" from the vast majority of the world, where I'm treated as a novelty or an abomination. The last place I expected to be told that my mere existence was social commentary and that I didn't belong in their wacky little world was Nintendo, purveyors of the "fun for everyone" mentality.

Like most of you, I grew up with a Nintendo console or two; I went through several Game Boy models, and my first home console was a Nintendo 64. I'm also autistic, and while that's become easier to manage as time went on, at the beginning, it was really hard to socialize and make friends. But Nintendo was another way into the good graces of fellow kids, so I could focus on getting good at games like Smash Bros. and find commonality with them through that. I couldn't stare straight into someone's eyes or react properly to social cues, but Nintendo games made it easier to jump into conversations about trading Pokemon or beating Star Fox, and slowly work through there. And I was pretty thankful that Nintendo helped me with my social anxiety and struggles with communication, when others would write me off as "the weird kid" without making the effort to know me.

To make a long story short (too late!), Nintendo's comments made me wonder whether I was ever welcome in the first place. Sorry if that sounds melodramatic, but it really hit me that way when I read the press release for myself. I know, Nintendo have been terrible at PR and expressing themselves in a non-bumbling manner as of late, but there was something that felt real and cold about their statement. Maybe because I've seen echoes of it in the reactions I've received from others. Regardless, of all the mistakes Nintendo have made in the last few years, it was the very first one that had me considering abandoning the company altogether.

Again, I apologize if my earlier statements sounded like they were attacking anyone. I'm just really sore about this subject, and am used to seeing everyone react in a certain way to others like me in the LGBT community. I'd like nothing more than to have a good time with all of you, and I'm grateful that most of you are much friendlier than the people I would find in other communities.

#7 Edited by TheCheese33 (353 posts) -
@hailinel said:
@daneian said:
@phuturist said:

@patrickklepeck: Respectfully, can you please stop promoting racist and sexist people on this website? I am, of course, talking about Samantha who on her Twitter account openly mocks, insults white men and denies their opinions on LGBT issues any validity because they are men and white. Check her profile, her latest uploaded images for example, it's rough.

Go even a little into her images and you'll find her retweet of a drawing that says "Kill all men". I can't bring myself to even post the image I'm so bummed out.

I, uh...well, then.

Not sure if serious. I hope she's not serious.

Of course she's not being serious. The tweeted image in question, drawn by Maddy Meyers, was done as a joke.

Also, it would be lovely if the commenters here could see something from a marginalized group and not immediately react as if the sky was falling. Samantha is neither racist nor sexist, and she doesn't deny opinions on LGBT issues because of their skin color or gender. Anyone who claims differently is, in all likelihood, very confused (or worse, purposefully misconstruing the situation).

As for the people complaining about making "mountains out of molehills" with Tomodachi Life, please practice a little empathy and recognize that just because something isn't a big deal to you doesn't mean it isn't a big deal to others, or that they should "just get over it."

As someone who fits within the LGBT spectrum, Nintendo's tone-deaf statements made me feel unwelcome, to the point where I was considering selling my Wii U console + games on eBay and wiping my hands clean of the company. I decided not to, but what they said really hurtful, and their second press release makes it clear that they don't know why it was hurtful in the first place, which is really disconcerting and reinforces the notion of Nintendo's ignorance in the modern gaming industry.

#8 Posted by TheCheese33 (353 posts) -

I find it really difficult to regain control of the Foxbat after doing a few flips in a trick, but maybe I'm just doing something wrong. Other than that, it's neat, silly fun, and making it entirely physics-based fits in with the rest of the game.

#9 Posted by TheCheese33 (353 posts) -

From what red lynx said on a live stream they did on twitch on the editor that all of the videos for evolution work for Fusion, but they would be doing new ones in the future. I drove myself crazy too looking for it. http://youtu.be/oZGxzMeZytA

That's the link to all of the evolution ones together hope that helps!

Thanks!

#10 Posted by TheCheese33 (353 posts) -

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