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#1  Edited By TheQuotedNegro

Feminist - an advocate ofsocial,political,legal,andeconomicrightsforwomenequaltothoseofmen.

why is this word being throw around with such anger and hatred, i'll never understand

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My Little Pony: Fighting Is Magic....

It's racked up over $3k in donations already. I thought that was pretty awesome. I mean, sure its kind of dumb...its pretty dumb. But the fact that someone took the time to make an interesting and professional looking fighting game out of My Little Ponies, is pretty awesome. And kinda dumb. Meanwhile Capcom Vs. SNK 2 is only t 60 bucks...

Has anyone played it? Is it any good?

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@OfficeGamer: how old are you OfficeGamer if you dont mind me asking.

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@TheQuotedNegro: First, why do you keep typing D'jango? It's Django.

Django was never ok with racism. He never explicitly says "I HATE THIS." You see it in his face when he sees slaves being mistreated. You see it when his first reaction is to shoot and then whip the first of the Brittle brothers. We see how Django perceives racism when he acts as a black slaver. He doesn't want to, he says that black slavers are the lowest of the low. It pains him to play the part at times. You're right, though, his ultimate goal was not to change the world, it was simply to save his wife. His character arc was not overcoming racism. It was learning to control himself. On his first bounty, he simply shoots and kills. When he is in Candie's home, he restrains himself. In the end, it was the composed Dr. King who can't stay his hand. I think we agree that this was probably the most powerful scene in the entire movie.

I stand by what I said about the killing of Sam Jackson. I think it was a liberating scene. I'll defend it further when I have a chance to watch the movie again, and understand it more fully.

I don't think Tarantino was trying to portray slavery in a positive way when he shows a slave girl on a swing. I think that he was trying to portray the era the way it was. The fact that some slaves were treated differently just further illustrates how unjust, and unjustified, the practice of slavery was. There are still present in the film completely different scenes. The hot box, the wrestling, the dog attacks, all of which don't dance around the horrors of slavery. You're right, though. Slavery isn't the primary focus of the film. The film isn't about slavery, it's simply set in the era of American Slavery.

As for distorting the image of the racists, I think you're wrong. I think that Tarantino is trying to portray them as human beings. They're still villains, but not the "evil to the core and terribly efficient" villains we're used to seeing in movies. He made the klansmen just as human, and just as stupid, as anyone else in the entire film.

I've already stated why I think that Tarantino did a good job. He made us feel horrible when the man is torn apart, and excited when Django killed everyone. I do, however, understand why you don't like the scene. Perhaps it would have been more appropriate for Django to kill Candie.

Again, I don't know if it was the role of D'jango or Jamie Foxx's acting. One of the two would not let that character have a human connection. I don't think he had a character arc. I never felt that learning to control himself was a big problem. The first 3 guys, sure. He had a personal history with them. The rest of the people in that movie, meant nothing really to him. And in the end he kills no one really of any substance. That movie felt like he didnt really do anything worth caring about.

But I'm tired of this movie. I respect your opinion BoG. You're actually talking about it like a movie instead of rage yelling or telling me to watch Color Purple. So I thank you for that. I appreciate good discussions.

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@advocatefish said:

The theatre erupted in a standing ovation when the credits rolled including myself. Sorry duder but your on your own. It almost had two ovations because the shot lingered on the "first ending" for so long people started clapping.

Also Blazing Saddles fucking sucks.

whoa.

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@DaMaJaDiZ said:

Not trying to be that guy, but this sentence; " And I couldn't tell if D'jango was just written poorly or if Jamie Foxx was just playing a terrible slave" is kind of funny when you put it in context of "good slave, terrible slave". That kind of tickled me.

it is quite a strange statement i know....

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@BoG said:

"If you want to see a western movie that stars a great black lead character that is strong, smart, likable, looks racism and hate in the face without flinching."

I don't think that this was the point. The point was that Django was a liberated slave, ad he carried along with him all the emotional baggage that comes with that. He's not supposed to be smart, he was a slave. As for the others items, I think you're wrong. I liked him as a character and thought that he was a strong man. He was trying to read, and he was strong when he needed to control himself. At the end of the movie, he does look racism and hate in the face without flinching. This is how I interpreted the final scene, where he kills Sam Jackson's character.

The magic of Django is that Tarantino successfully created a lighthearted slavery movie. He doesn't make light of the most horrible aspects of slavery, he portrays them as terrible. There is a delicate balance of horror and humor, and Tarantino nails it. Even the violent scenes all have a different flavor. When the enslaved man is torn apart by dogs, we're disgusted as an audience. When Django opens up a can of whoopass (a scene far more violent than the dog one) we cheer for him. Tarantino crafted each scene to have a distinct emotional impact and, again, he pulled it off.

@FLYmeatwad: I just want to endorse everything this user just said.

I disagree with everything you said sir. You not only gave D'jango as a character too much credit, but you gave D'jango as a movie too much credit. To D'jango, Sam Jackson's character didnt represent racism, he represented a snitch that blew his plan to shit. There were plenty of scenes in that movie where D'jango wass fine with racism. Didn't bother him one bit. The slave fighting, the beating of the woman for dropping eggs, the dogs ripping that man to pieces. Now, some would argue that he had to do this to save his wife. but D'jango never once hinted that he cared about anything BUT saving his wife. He had absolutely NO character arch. No redeemable qualities. And at the end, it felt like he didn't deserve to get his woman back because all he did was to be along for the ride.

You think Tarantino did a "magical" job at making a lighthearted slavery movie? He didn't. He did a good job of dancing around slavery because he didnt want to focus on it. Which again, is whatever, I don't like sad slavery movies. I've seen enough of them. But you cannot give me a scene where a woman is getting whipped for dropping eggs and show a long shot of slaves in a swing by the "big house" or slaves having tea or a fat slave woman with lipstick on. We can all agree on the fact that that's a little inconsistent right? Right? Now if you deliberately do shots like that what are you saying? Slavery wasn't that bad? When you show a scene of pre-hood Klan members in a damn near Monty Python sketch to keep it light. What are you doing to your viewers perception of who slave owners, segregationists, and all around terrible people were? You're distorting it.

When a terrible slave owner lets a man get torn apart by dogs, we're all disgusted as an audience. When the man the movie is named after doesn't even get to kill that man, or even cares to kill that man but kills a house full of nameless white guys and extras...I don't care. I've seen blood and violence in movies. When Shultz shot Leo in the flower. THAT was tension. THAT was two fleshed out characters having a moment. THAT was the movie.

And I'm sorry if I come off as an angry black guy to some of you. But I'm not even approaching this from a race angle. This is purely a storytelling angle. That movie, was a big Blah.

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@evanbower said:

@TheQuotedNegro said:

@Getz said:

@TheQuotedNegro said:

@Getz said:

Yeah, Django was fucking awesome sooo... I guess go watch The Color Purple or something?

why would you see color purple?

You seem to take issue with the way slavery was portrayed, why are you going to a Quentin Tarantino movie? Go watch Beloved or The Color Purple if you want some kind of dour drama about american slaves.

you do realize that the Color Purple was set in the 1900s right??

Sir, please watch season 3 of The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air if you want a sympathetic retelling of America's slave trade!

Exactly. I need more seriousness about my slavery. Going to go watch good times.

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@Getz said:

@TheQuotedNegro said:

@Getz said:

Yeah, Django was fucking awesome sooo... I guess go watch The Color Purple or something?

why would you see color purple?

You seem to take issue with the way slavery was portrayed, why are you going to a Quentin Tarantino movie? Go watch Beloved or The Color Purple if you want some kind of dour drama about american slaves.

you do realize that the Color Purple was set in the 1900s right??

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@Getz said:

Yeah, Django was fucking awesome sooo... I guess go watch The Color Purple or something?

why would you see color purple?

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