tim_the_corsair

Loved it.

Hardy was great as Bane, and I loved the origin story twist on the comics, very well done. I also though Hathaway did a very good job as Catwoman, and this is coming from someone that doesn't think too highly of her.

I dug the fact it was a more epic ensemble piece, and that there was a real human element. The cops especially were amazing.

Just tragic.

@Tim_the_Corsair said:

@Jay444111

@Raethen said:

@Jay444111:

I don't really want to get into this discussion as I still haven't played ME3, but I feel as though I need to clarify one thing so I can understand your position.

Are you saying that every bit of writing in every game Bioware has released is bad because they screwed up the ending of ME3, or just the writing in ME3? Ar are you not a fan of their writing in general?

As soon as you see the ending of Mass Effect 3. You begin to realize that they never had any talent to begin with. You look back and realize that all of those games were lucky strokes of dumb writers that clumsily got around things in a young medium that has grown up far to much to need them anymore. Obsidian is what all video games should try to be... all of them. At least they know how to write great pieces of fiction.

You're right, Obsidian have nothing but the highest standard of writing when compared to those BioWare hacks... RUH ROH RAGGY, didn't Obsidian make Dungeon Siege III which was a total shit show of a game with a horribly boring, generic story?! Sorry, Jay's Law just rendered Oblsidian into the worst developer of all time, whose collected works are fit only to be used as an example to future generations of utter shitness, and whose writers should be bent over the nearest barrel and forcibly rogered with the head of John Romero. Who is your next choice Jay? I'm sure we'll find someone eventually that lives up to your standards.

A generic story is better than a bad story. Just saying.

Also the fact that they are also working on Southpark, the game. They are also helping out with Wasteland 2 show they have far more capable writing skills than Biodump ever will.

I can accept average writing. It is common enough and isn't offensive. However bad writing is unforgivable. Especially the fucking end of a huge trilogy. Only bad as hell writers that do such things deserve so much more punishment for fucking everyone over at the very last second of a huge series. It is like making Star wars trilogy and ending it with three choices that are all horrible and confusing. Such as this!

Imagine those other endings... IMAGINE THEM!!! Thank all things good at least the writers of Star Wars back then had actual common sense!

I like the first one the best, awesome design though!

@Raethen said:

@Jay444111:

I don't really want to get into this discussion as I still haven't played ME3, but I feel as though I need to clarify one thing so I can understand your position.

Are you saying that every bit of writing in every game Bioware has released is bad because they screwed up the ending of ME3, or just the writing in ME3? Ar are you not a fan of their writing in general?

As soon as you see the ending of Mass Effect 3. You begin to realize that they never had any talent to begin with. You look back and realize that all of those games were lucky strokes of dumb writers that clumsily got around things in a young medium that has grown up far to much to need them anymore. Obsidian is what all video games should try to be... all of them. At least they know how to write great pieces of fiction.

@Jay444111 said:

@Tim_the_Corsair said:

@aurahack

@Jay444111 said:

@FluxWaveZ said:

@aurahack said:

@FluxWaveZ: I feel like pointing out that the ME3 debacle was, for the most part, a pretty heavily entitled argument.

There was no entitlement until there was demand for a new ending. Before that, it was people complaining about it because it was a shit ending. The outrage obviously wouldn't have been as huge if that wasn't the majority opinion and the media did their best to make as though nothing was wrong and it was another case of "the Internet being the Internet".

No... it was really about calling out bad writing and demanding good writing for once. You fuck up an ending, we fuck you up was the basic thing that happened and we showed the video game industry that if you fuck up an ending, be prepared to dole out some free shit for us and kiss our asses for the rest of time, because we do not forgive and we do not surrender when it comes to fucking something up that massively.

That easily takes the cake for "most infuriating thing anyone has posted" for this month.

As an artist, here is my stance on it:

Imagine I have a large fanbase. They've always loved the work I drew. I make an illustration. It's something amazing. They all love it! I'm thrilled they love it, so I make another illustration to follow up the first one. They love it, too! I promise them a final one. I work really hard for it, and I try to put as much creative power into it that I can. I'm super proud of my work. I finish it, then I show it to them. Some of them really like it, but a lot of them hate it. They violently hate it. They angrily, arrogantly, undeservedly ask me to change the illustration I made. They want it to look like they want to, not the way I wanted to.

Should I change my work? Fuck no. That artistic integrity is all I have. It's what I pride myself on, just like it's what Bioware prides themselves on. They don't owe you, or the other flood of people who complained, shit. They created something they believed to be an amazing piece of work. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean they should change anything about it. It's not your game, it's their game. No personal attachment to the series will change that, and the internet needs to grow the fuck up and realise that.

You're wasting your time. I've tried to have this conversation with Jay before, and despite claiming to be a writer he absolutely fails to grasp the concept of artistic integrity. One of these threads involved him wishing for the writers at BioWare to be made unemployable within the game industry. So seriously, complete waste of your time trying to have anything approaching a reasonable intellectual discussion.

Artistic integrity never works though. It is always called bullshit and anyone who uses it to try and defend their horrible work are scum. I have no integrity because I choose not to because all it breeds is hate and stupidity on all sides. It divides people completely and destroys work. If one of my writings is bad, it is bad! I can deal with that and say, "Sorry folks... I will make sure to do better next time!" I would not be a pissant and say, "Fuck all of you whiners! Artistic integrity assholes!"

There is not even a single writer working at Bioware... only students that only write food menus at third rate businesses that would never pass a health inspection. They don't deserve a single bit of praise for anything. Any writer worth even a SINGLE bit of quality would be able to critique your own work and know when something is stupid as hell... they are not and don't deserve any respect whatsoever at any time.

See that shit? That shit I put in bold? That's you being a twat.

Artistic integrity is fucking everything to a creative individual. The game is well-written. What you do not agree with are the plot elements in the game. You don't like the ending, the character development, whatever fucking else, I don't care. Whatever it is, it is the decisions the creative team took that you do not see eye to eye with, and that disagreement does not "entitle" you to any sort of compensation or permission to verbally assault any employee at Bioware.

If your write a book, or porno or whatever you plan on doing with your miserable life, and it is poorly written, then you should try to improve and own up to it. But regardless of writing skill, if I don't agree with what you wrote and demand you change it by calling you names and saying you owe me everything, would you do it? Of course not. It's your fucking book. You should aim to improve your skill, but what you decided as a story is fucking yours and you should own that. It is the same for ME3 and for every single medium out there. If I draw something that looks like shit, then you bet I will try to improve my skill. If I draw, say, a cat, and everyone thinks I should draw a dog instead, then fuck those people. I wanted to draw a cat, I drew a cat, and if they don't like that cat then that is their right.

But that cat is mine. It's not theirs.

@Jay444111 said:

@FluxWaveZ said:

@aurahack said:

@FluxWaveZ: I feel like pointing out that the ME3 debacle was, for the most part, a pretty heavily entitled argument.

There was no entitlement until there was demand for a new ending. Before that, it was people complaining about it because it was a shit ending. The outrage obviously wouldn't have been as huge if that wasn't the majority opinion and the media did their best to make as though nothing was wrong and it was another case of "the Internet being the Internet".

No... it was really about calling out bad writing and demanding good writing for once. You fuck up an ending, we fuck you up was the basic thing that happened and we showed the video game industry that if you fuck up an ending, be prepared to dole out some free shit for us and kiss our asses for the rest of time, because we do not forgive and we do not surrender when it comes to fucking something up that massively.

That easily takes the cake for "most infuriating thing anyone has posted" for this month.

As an artist, here is my stance on it:

Imagine I have a large fanbase. They've always loved the work I drew. I make an illustration. It's something amazing. They all love it! I'm thrilled they love it, so I make another illustration to follow up the first one. They love it, too! I promise them a final one. I work really hard for it, and I try to put as much creative power into it that I can. I'm super proud of my work. I finish it, then I show it to them. Some of them really like it, but a lot of them hate it. They violently hate it. They angrily, arrogantly, undeservedly ask me to change the illustration I made. They want it to look like they want to, not the way I wanted to.

Should I change my work? Fuck no. That artistic integrity is all I have. It's what I pride myself on, just like it's what Bioware prides themselves on. They don't owe you, or the other flood of people who complained, shit. They created something they believed to be an amazing piece of work. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean they should change anything about it. It's not your game, it's their game. No personal attachment to the series will change that, and the internet needs to grow the fuck up and realise that.

I've never raped a bear, but I imagine it rules.

@FluxWaveZ said:

@aurahack said:

@FluxWaveZ: I feel like pointing out that the ME3 debacle was, for the most part, a pretty heavily entitled argument.

There was no entitlement until there was demand for a new ending. Before that, it was people complaining about it because it was a shit ending. The outrage obviously wouldn't have been as huge if that wasn't the majority opinion and the media did their best to make as though nothing was wrong and it was another case of "the Internet being the Internet".

No... it was really about calling out bad writing and demanding good writing for once. You fuck up an ending, we fuck you up was the basic thing that happened and we showed the video game industry that if you fuck up an ending, be prepared to dole out some free shit for us and kiss our asses for the rest of time, because we do not forgive and we do not surrender when it comes to fucking something up that massively.