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#1 Posted by TruthTellah (9553 posts) -

Wait, did Jason play a big part in making and editing the Game of the Year videos? Because those -alone- are amazing. Him and Vinny workin together...

#2 Posted by TruthTellah (9553 posts) -

@truthtellah said:

@iceland_grrl said:

Is there anyone else at all who is actually offended by or bothered by Sera? Not on Tumblr, on here.

Pretty sure this thread already has numerous people talking about how they found her offputting in their own ways. I added in my opinion that I considered her funny but with some bad writing tossed in, too. One of those examples being the remark I mentioned. Not sure why it has to be treated as some big deal that I have to fight for when it's an opinion on the character like everyone else in this thread.

Except you are the only one who has said you found things offensive about Sera.

That isn't the same thing as "offputting" - please let others speak for themselves instead of saying that you are "pretty sure" about what the feel.

My point is that so far not one other person has said that they were offended by Sera. Including myself, a trans person. It is of course your right to be offended by anything and everything you wish, but I think youre trying to make it out to be a larger and more common feeling that it actually is.

I'm just expressing my opinion on it, and others, such as yourself, are making more of a big deal out of it than I did. I mean, these are your first comments on this forum ever. Seemingly creating an account just to tell me off is making more of this than me simply saying something bothered me in the game. It's okay if no one else takes issue with it(and I'm glad that's the case for you), but I should be able to bring it up without people jumping on me just to dismiss what I have to say and defend a single line of dialogue in a videogame.

My opinion is my own. You speak for yourself, and I speak for me. There's no reason to make this into a bigger deal than it is. We're on a silly videogame forum for goodness sakes.

#3 Edited by TruthTellah (9553 posts) -

@iceland_grrl said:

Is there anyone else at all who is actually offended by or bothered by Sera? Not on Tumblr, on here.

Pretty sure this thread already has numerous people talking about how they found her offputting in their own ways. I added in my opinion that I considered her funny but with some bad writing tossed in, too. One of those examples being the remark I mentioned. Not sure why it has to be treated as some big deal that I have to fight for when it's an opinion on the character like everyone else in this thread.

#4 Posted by TruthTellah (9553 posts) -

@iceland_grrl: Because you can like something and still criticize it. A lot of game fans unfortunately don't seem to understand that. I think Dragon Age as a series has grown thanks to criticism from fans, and I hope they will grow even further.

@humanity: It's not a matter of "wanting" to read it that way; it's me reading it that way. That I responded negatively to something that didn't bother you isn't because I "wanted" to respond negatively; it's because, from my perspective, it's an issue.

Too many people dismiss criticism of things like sexism in games as just people "wanting" to be offended, but the reality is, some people are different and may have a different take on things than you do. I'd prefer if games didn't often demean women or insult transgender individuals; I certainly don't want to continue to see signs of prejudice in games.

As the last few months have reminded a lot of people in the gaming community, it may be more comfortable for some if people piped down and stopped sharing personal criticism, but as a person who loves games and is tired of being pressured to hush up about it, I'd rather be honest about what bothers me.

#5 Edited by TruthTellah (9553 posts) -

@humanity: The line implies that beating your squire is a terrible thing worthy of being a dirty little secret. Along with having STDs, being incestuous, and being transgender. I doubt anyone would say beating your squire or child is not a terrible thing; that's why it's included on a list of "dirty little secrets" of crooked Orlesian noblemen. Implying child abuse is bad isn't offensive; implying being transgender is bad is.

I merely said I thought it was unnecessary and offensive. I've suggested it was likely an oversight in an offhanded comment that detracts from the character for me personally in a thread of people discussing what they like and dislike about the character. The only ones making a mountain out of a mole hill are those going to lengths to defend it and dismiss how I and some other players feel about it as though the game needs defending. I already said I liked the game and even the character, and that's why it's unfortunate. The line would work just as well without that remark.

I'd say I'm relatively more laid back about it than some, as there are certainly worse examples in games and media, but despite that, some people still insist on acting like taking any offense at all is some great attack on them and a game they like. If I was angrier about it, people would say I'm overreacting, and if I was somehow even less critical of it, people would still say I'm overreacting. Because it isn't a matter of actually overreacting, it's a matter of some people taking issue with others feeling differently than they do about the games or characters they like.

#6 Edited by TruthTellah (9553 posts) -

@bargainben: I really don't know how to respond to some of the presumptions in your comment, but while you may think it's appropriate in the game, I'd ask that you not act like you speak for "a lot of people who are actually trans".

I don't "want" to be offended by it; I expressed that I was. It is my opinion that a fantasy setting doesn't have to require lines like that when they genuinely serve no purpose or allow for any recourse. The line would have made just as much sense without it. It's a lot better than some of the nonsense include in other games, but that doesn't excuse it.

A lot of people here have expressed disliking her dialogue, but the moment someone mentions a specific example of writing they were bothered by, you act like it's some huge thing that no one "actually trans" would care about. You should reevaluate why you care so much about dismissing my feelings on this and presuming to speak for those who are "actually trans". To me, it's not a big deal, but the more people like you dismiss criticism about it, the more it speaks to bigger concerns.

#7 Posted by TruthTellah (9553 posts) -

@truthtellah: She also lists "extra toes" alongside the transgender remark. I think the point of that whole quip was that those are all things that would be viewed as scandalous in Orlesian high society. I don't think she was directly insulting those people, just highlighting how different the nobles are from their projected images. In other words she's poking fun at the dissonance itself, not the individual aspects she lists.

The sad thing is, that's not an uncommon association. Being transgender is referred to in that context in everyday media, along with other "dark and shameful secrets". It's casually referenced by people as some kind of joke or shame, and when Sera is being derisive toward every single other thing she mentions about Orlesian high society, it's not hard to associate them together as things worthy of shame. And despite being a game of many choices, you have no recourse to respond to it.

Inquisition actually attempts to portray a general acceptance of being transgender elsewhere, as it isn't treated as a big deal. That makes a comment like this even more noticeable. I don't think they were being intentionally malicious, but it reads as a mistake of someone not understanding how unnecessary and off-putting it is.

For additional context, I initially just thought of it as a little annoyance, but after it was brought up by a transgender fan on the official BioWare forum, it just blew up with people ranting about how transphobia should be fine in the game because there's transphobia in real life and telling her to shut up about being offended by it. Along with that, there were the usual folks chiming in that the game is already "pushing enough of an agenda" to not need to "pander" to transgender players and once again note that, if they're going to change anything about Sera, BioWare should allow men to be able to sleep with her.

Needless to say, people fervently defending it just made it worse, and it's a shame it seems like no one can bring up a concern like this without many people jumping in to explain how it being offensive doesn't matter or act like feeling that way about part of a game is some kind of attack they need to defend against.

#8 Edited by TruthTellah (9553 posts) -

@iceland_grrl: I'm glad you weren't bothered by it. Certainly stuck out to me and seemed quite unnecessary, but obviously, that's just my opinion. Otherwise, I think Sera is a fun character with some charming dialogue(especially with The Iron Bull).

(And welcome to GB!)

#9 Edited by TruthTellah (9553 posts) -

@mb said:

@truthtellah said:

I like a lot from Sera, but they mucked it up a bit in some places. One thing that really bothered me and some others was that she makes an offhanded transphobic remark at one point in the game. At the ball, she needlessly mocks someone being transgender alongside others having STDs, being abusive, and incestuous.

It's out of character, and your other characters just nod along. I would have accepted it being in there if there was at least the option to call it out. (It's a RPG afterall) Instead, your character is left being like, "Yeah, these people are real weirdos."

I think Sera can be funny at times, but I would say avoiding her(and some of the writing around her) isn't necessarily a terrible mistake.

I think you're overreacting by calling those three words "transphobic." In that scene, the player doesn't even know who Sera is referring to or even what race they are, for that matter. We also don't know very much about her background or how her own culture treats these subjects, so saying that the line was "needlessly mocking" seems like an unfair and kneejerk mischaracterization.

While Sera does exhibit prejudice about some other things, bunching together someone being transgender as some kind of dark secret alongside STDs and bastard children is offensive. While including an offensive comment as part of a character is not inherently terrible, there is a problem when you can't respond to it in any way. It's completely unnecessary for the line and only hits transgender players. It's a needless mistake.

Dragon Age as a series has had issues with transgender subjects in the past, and while Inquisition is the best in this regard, a comment like that with no recourse or real purpose does hurt. It's common, even today, for being transgender to be referred to as some dark secret or joke, and it is hurtful to include in the game when you as the player have no agency to respond to it. You and the writer of the line may have the privilege of such a remark not bothering you, but for others like myself, it isn't that easy to just shrug off.

As a big fan of the game and even the character, I am bothered by its inclusion, and I wouldn't blame anyone else for taking issue with it as well.

#10 Edited by TruthTellah (9553 posts) -

I like a lot from Sera, but they mucked it up a bit in some places. One thing that really bothered me and some others was that she makes an offhanded transphobic remark at one point in the game. At the ball, she needlessly mocks someone being transgender alongside others having STDs, being abusive, and incestuous.

It's out of character, and your other characters just nod along. I would have accepted it being in there if there was at least the option to call it out. (It's a RPG afterall) Instead, your character is left being like, "Yeah, these people are real weirdos."

I think Sera can be funny at times, but I would say avoiding her(and some of the writing around her) isn't necessarily a terrible mistake.