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#1 Posted by Trylks (844 posts) -
@Toms115: sorry, there is some serious stuff going on here. I don't think you mean that either, some people from Spain could feel insulted and I guess that's not what a nice person like you would want to do. 
 
@GIVEMEREPLAY said:
@otherdouche

can you quantify pain? fighting bulls live in freedom all their lives, until a day they suffer pain and stress until they are killed, except for those exceptionally good that will live as stud bulls. Hens on the contrary may never see the sun light, they are piled up, their beak is mutilated so that they won't hurt each other due to the conditions they have to suffer, and then some lights are turned on and off to trick them into believe it is day or night, just that the cycles are way shorter than 24 hours, so that they will produce eggs faster. This speed in the cycles, very limited space to move and  not being on ground but on bars (so that excrements go through) produce a very stressful life to death. 
 
If I had to choose I'd prefer to be a fighting bull than a hen.  And that just because you prefer the pleasure of the taste of eggs, which is unnecessary and supposed to be higher than the pleasure of witnessing the art of bullfighting, which I personally don't like, but the ethical treatment of the question so far seems quite shallow to me.     

If you think the life of a cooped up hen is worse than that of a bull being ritually stabbed to death the answer is to treat chickens better, not attempt to justify one injustice with another.  "
 
Great, the debate is progressing thanks to your collaboration and interest in finding agreement and the truth, instead of just insulting people in a desperate attempt of alleviating the suffering for a pathological lack of self-esteem.
 
@Trylks said:
I hope you are a vegan, otherwise this doesn't hold.
BTW: you can avoid using the regular replies, I'll following the thread, so I don't need the notifications. HAND.
#2 Posted by Trylks (844 posts) -
@WalkerTR77 said:

" I would be fine with it if it was a straight fight, shirtless man with no knife using his bare hands. Right now even if the matador loses other matadors just storm in and stab the bull shitless. "

If you think it's that biased you can try it by yourself, I can guarantee that if you are good it is very well paid.
 
 @Toms115 said:

" the only real downside to this is that we won't get to see assholes getting their pants ripped off and flag waving lunatics being pummeled by the aforementioned bulls anymore. "

That's false, San Fermines will contine, and bou embolat, and there will be many other chances to see that.
#3 Edited by Trylks (844 posts) -
@GIVEMEREPLAY: can you quantify pain? fighting bulls live in freedom all their lives, until a day they suffer pain and stress until they are killed, except for those exceptionally good that will live as stud bulls. Hens on the contrary may never see the sun light, they are piled up, their beak is mutilated so that they won't hurt each other due to the conditions they have to suffer, and then some lights are turned on and off to trick them into believe it is day or night, just that the cycles are way shorter than 24 hours, so that they will produce eggs faster. This speed in the cycles, very limited space to move and  not being on ground but on bars (so that excrements go through) produce a very stressful life to death.
 
If I had to choose I'd prefer to be a fighting bull than a hen.  And that just because you prefer the pleasure of the taste of eggs, which is unnecessary and supposed to be higher than the pleasure of witnessing the art of bullfighting, which I personally don't like, but the ethical treatment of the question so far seems quite shallow to me.

@GIVEMEREPLAY said:

there is a very large and demonstrable difference between the pain a chicken suffers in birth versus the pain a bull feels in being ritually taunted and stabbed to death over the course of an hour.

 In short, no, there is no large and demonstrable difference in the suffering and the quality of the lives of those animals, and if so, it is in favor of fighting bulls.
#4 Posted by Trylks (844 posts) -
@GIVEMEREPLAY said:
Again with this philosophy 101 mentality. The impossibility of perfection doesn't mean one should not strive toward betterment. The fact that your teeth will never be perfectly clean doesn't mean you shouldn't attempt to clean them twice a day, lest they rot. Yes, you're right that no law is perfect in its enforcement. However, it is also plain to see that 10 bulls being tortured to death rather than 100 in a year is a reduction in suffering ten fold, and if unnecessary suffering is a bad thing then the imposition of that law banning bullfighting is a good thing.
I hope you are a vegan, otherwise this doesn't hold.
 
Because yes, chickens that lay eggs suffer (usually a lot of stress so they produce more eggs, among other sufferings) and yes, eating eggs is unnecessary, and so is proving every vegan who doesn't eat eggs and is perfectly healthy.
 
Should vegan diet be imposed? Which is the difference?
 
Is the nuisance of your bad manners necessary at all? For sure not for me, I don't need to teach you anything. I'll be waiting if you are interested in a serious debate about ethics; life has taught me that internet forums are not the place for that, though.
#5 Posted by Trylks (844 posts) -

So the failure rate of XBoxes is so high that you need to have two of them? When one fails, you send it to repair and you can use the other one until it fails, which is the day you receive the one you sent previously.
 
I didn't use my xbox in summer, if it fails I'll probably buy the new model, which is more quiet and better in general.
 
I'm crossing my fingers not to have to buy another xbox, I'd prefer to use that money in a TV.

#6 Posted by Trylks (844 posts) -
@Jeust said:

" People and bans... >_>  I don't know why people love bans on everything they hate. True that it is a disgusting activity, at least for me, but forcing someone not to do it isn't a good thing. People should be educated, not forced.  "

Completely agree.
 
I would be happy if it just didn't receive public money. That would be a very good step IMHO.
 
Next step: bou embolat:   http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bou_embolat 
 
@Demonstride:  the bull is basically stabbed to death, and my guess is that probably that has to be painful.
 
 @Suicrat said:

" @Jeust: This does seem like an attempt on the part of the Catalan legislature to differentiate the region they administrate from the rest of Spain. "

It is.
 
@Jeust said:

To me it is cruel because, while still a courageous activity, bullfights consist in toying with animals, that previously had their horns sawed, drugged and suffered other kinds of abuse. It's not a honest fight, it is a violent spectacle. Still people should see it for what it is, and not ban it because it is easier.  "

It isn't like that. They are spiked, with the main goal of waking their rage, but the horns are not sawed and they are quite dangerous. I don't think they are drugged either. Actually, the bulls used for bullfighting have been chosen for generations among the fiercest, as they provide a greater spectacle.
 
About illegal bullfightings going on (which I read somewhere) that is quite unlikely, if you consider the size of these things: 
http://maps.google.es/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=es&geocode=&q=Plaza+de+Toros+de+Las+Ventas&sll=40.396764,-3.713379&sspn=8.681468,19.753418&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Plaza+de+Toros+de+Las+Ventas&ll=40.431849,-3.663093&spn=0.004238,0.009645&t=h&z=17
 
 @GIVEMEREPLAY said:

All the indications that I've seen show that Spaniards generally dislike the activity, but I've seen no evidence one way or the other as to how Catalonians feel about the ban.

Most Spaniards dislike it. So do I. But if it is so then it will no longer be profitable, and thus it will disappear on its own. That's why I think stopping subsidies from public funding would be a better first step, which could be followed by other steps, or render them as unnecessary.  
 
 @Whisperkill said:

" That seems like a dumb idea to me. What is Spain known for other than bullfighting?

Well, maybe that's not what some spaniards would like to be known for, specially in Catalonia, I guess. Although Spanish fighting bulls have become an important symbol of Spain.
 
A point that is being missed in this debate is that without bullfighting those bulls will disappear, and no longer exist. Since they are currently property of the people (kind of farm animals) and will be pointless without bull fighting, ferociousness is the main treat of those animals, while for other purposes (meat production, for instance) bigger in size specimens will be selected and pass their genes to the following generations. Just to make the thread a little more complete.
 
PS: I'm sorry I couldn't read the comments after Jade, but those are too long for the time I have available now. If someone would like to point something specific just write the @trylks tag and I'll check that.
 
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#7 Posted by Trylks (844 posts) -

It's cool, but considering that I'll most probably buy the GotY edition for 20€ when it is available at that price it is a complete rip off, since it's €40 and then all the downloadable content (that should be included in the game, anyway) and that may be other €40.
 
€80 to fart on myself? uhm... no, thank you.

#8 Posted by Trylks (844 posts) -
@Tebbit: ladder? the adagio from Albinoni is much better, in the intro sequence, IMHO. Really epic, according to what a planetary exodus should be.
#9 Posted by Trylks (844 posts) -

Maybe it is time to put this franchise to sleep for a few years, although it has many chances of being superseded by assassins creed IMHO.

#10 Posted by Trylks (844 posts) -

One of the very few "full 3D" RTSs, actually I don't know of any other, but probably there are some.
 
I wish that game was made, the chances are very low though.
 
Maybe when real 3D is popular for games (the one you can see as 3D), or something like that, it will be reborn. The same way bionic commando was reborn. I know sequels are more of a problem than a good  thing, but while some games get too many it would be cool to have a third installment of some games, like homeworld, dungeon keeper, black and white, ...