Should this police officer lose his job?

An article was written by a Temple University student, Shannon Mcdonald, titled BLACK AND BLUE. Its a report she wrote after spending some time driving around with a rookie cop, Bill Thrasher, in the 22nd district of Philadelphia. (in case you're wondering a district is the same as a precinct). The 22nd, which I am quite familiar with, is a shit-hole to say the least. 
The article is the reason officer Bill Thrasher, 24, is now working a desk job, and people are calling for his dismissal from the force. 
You can ead the article Ms. Mcdonald wrote here.
she actually wrote this story first here
[Oh and believe me, the irony in the name of the neighborhood is very common in this city, strawberry mansion sure sounds sweet...well try to going to nicetown! that place is just as bad hahahaa)]

ps. in case you are interested, there is already a facebook group in support of this officer here

I don't think he should lose his job. I don't think he is racist, despite the terms he carelessly uses. Anyone who lives in and grew up in Philly (like myself) has plenty of black friends and possibly even family (like myself), there is just no way you couldn't have. Its just that people tend to not care about the terms they use when it comes to criminals or bad people in general.  They will call a white guy who shot somebody in Kensington (a bad predominantly white neighborhood) during a robbery a white-trash-kenzoid, or a black guy who did the same thing a nigger Sorry, I'm not the one doing this, I honestly never use the n-word but I'm just telling you how it is.  I have had this conversation with friends and family members many times (whether i was shootin the shit with some teammates in the football locker room, or at a bar with my brother-in-law, who is black), and there is always that sense of agreement, theres a difference between a black/white person and a nigger/white-trash. There is (obviously, but I fear people getting pissed about this) no difference between blacks and whites. I know using racist words will always be bad, and, as long as someone is listening for it, will only prolong racism in general. I just think its obvious that even though people tend to use the words, they are not necessarily using it to be racist or because they are one, only that many people think its okay to call a bad person a racist term. Do you get what I'm saying?
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Edited by TwoOneFive
An article was written by a Temple University student, Shannon Mcdonald, titled BLACK AND BLUE. Its a report she wrote after spending some time driving around with a rookie cop, Bill Thrasher, in the 22nd district of Philadelphia. (in case you're wondering a district is the same as a precinct). The 22nd, which I am quite familiar with, is a shit-hole to say the least. 
The article is the reason officer Bill Thrasher, 24, is now working a desk job, and people are calling for his dismissal from the force. 
You can ead the article Ms. Mcdonald wrote here.
she actually wrote this story first here
[Oh and believe me, the irony in the name of the neighborhood is very common in this city, strawberry mansion sure sounds sweet...well try to going to nicetown! that place is just as bad hahahaa)]

ps. in case you are interested, there is already a facebook group in support of this officer here

I don't think he should lose his job. I don't think he is racist, despite the terms he carelessly uses. Anyone who lives in and grew up in Philly (like myself) has plenty of black friends and possibly even family (like myself), there is just no way you couldn't have. Its just that people tend to not care about the terms they use when it comes to criminals or bad people in general.  They will call a white guy who shot somebody in Kensington (a bad predominantly white neighborhood) during a robbery a white-trash-kenzoid, or a black guy who did the same thing a nigger Sorry, I'm not the one doing this, I honestly never use the n-word but I'm just telling you how it is.  I have had this conversation with friends and family members many times (whether i was shootin the shit with some teammates in the football locker room, or at a bar with my brother-in-law, who is black), and there is always that sense of agreement, theres a difference between a black/white person and a nigger/white-trash. There is (obviously, but I fear people getting pissed about this) no difference between blacks and whites. I know using racist words will always be bad, and, as long as someone is listening for it, will only prolong racism in general. I just think its obvious that even though people tend to use the words, they are not necessarily using it to be racist or because they are one, only that many people think its okay to call a bad person a racist term. Do you get what I'm saying?
Posted by IVIorpheus

Fired, no. Reprimanded, yes....

Posted by METALM1LITIA91

shouldn't be fired but should be punished. As an authority figure (or anyone for that matter) you have no reason to go around saying the N word. I don't care if most of the people he deals with are black... he shouldn't stereotype it that way.

Edited by dr_nefarious

I don't know why the author kept mentioning his looks..Seemed pretty irrelevant..Anyway I don't think the racial statements he made were justified but I can understand his anger and animosity with the people that live around the area he patrols. Should he get fired? No. Only if he is the cause for the crime in that area.

Posted by Weltal
TwoOneFive said:
" I know using racist words will always be bad, and only prolong racism in general"
I have a problem with this, how is hiding from a word prolonging racism? It's simply making the term more volatile. Stop giving power to words that they shouldn't be given and we'll all be better off. The term is 'nigger' and if you keep tip towing around it what the hell are you accomplishing?

Back on a subject more related to the thread at hand. The cop shouldn't be fired for his insulting use of a word, he should have a bit more common sense when dealing with people though and clearly needs to receive some form of disciplinary action. Insulting the people you are supposed to be protecting is not only poor taste it's simply a matter of intelligence, if he can't figure that out then perhaps he shouldn't be authorized to carry a weapon because I would fear being around someone that stupid.
Posted by Joshbra97

If I could I would murder everyone that made a racist comment to me. Unless you're a minority then you have no idea.

Posted by Pibo47
4ngelus said:
"Fired, no. Reprimanded, yes...."

Posted by Claude

You can't be and be above it. He will live and learn.

Posted by TooWalrus

No, a lot of areas are already short on law enforcement officers. We shouldn't fire one for using offensive language.

Posted by bshirk

Yes, he should be fired.  Racism is inexcusable, especially if you are an individual that's received an education.  I refuse to even be friends with people who are racist.  When my best friend of several years turned racist, I didn't have much to do with him anymore.  You have to have lost your humanity and/or be completely oblivious to the world around you to be racist.  Judging someone by the color of their skin is just stupid and plain wrong.  Just because someone is from a ghetto doesn't make them a one-dimensional human being as black people are often portrayed in the media.  Everyone is different and should be judged on an individual basis.

Posted by c1337us
4ngelus said:
"Fired, no. Reprimanded, yes...."
Thats what I would imagine would be reasonable. Maybe some off the clock community service or something.
Posted by HandsomeDead
bshirk said:
"Just because someone is from a ghetto doesn't make them a one-dimensional human being as black people are often portrayed in the media. "
Have you ever seen an episode of Law & Order? It's never the black guy.
Posted by MattyFTM

Racist or not, you need to be careful what you say when you're in a position like that, and he should totally be fired. He should have known better than to use terms like that when he's working for the police.

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Posted by Meltbrain
MattyFTM said:
"Racist or not, you need to be careful what you say when you're in a position like that, and he should totally be fired. He should have known better than to use terms like that when he's working for the police."
Yup. Agreed.
Posted by bshirk
HandsomeDead said:
"bshirk said:
"Just because someone is from a ghetto doesn't make them a one-dimensional human being as black people are often portrayed in the media. "
Have you ever seen an episode of Law & Order? It's never the black guy."
No, I've never seen Law & Order.  I have seen cops though, and that seems to play on stereotypes from what I've seen.  Anyway, I was just trying to say that there's still a lot of ethnic stereotypes in the media, and people tend to believe that others are one dimensional.
Edited by TwoOneFive
Joshbra97 said:
"If I could I would murder everyone that made a racist comment to me. Unless you're a minority then you have no idea."
Oh, so only minorities experience racism?
Posted by Maxszy
bshirk said:
"Yes, he should be fired.  Racism is inexcusable, especially if you are an individual that's received an education.  I refuse to even be friends with people who are racist.  When my best friend of several years turned racist, I didn't have much to do with him anymore.  You have to have lost your humanity and/or be completely oblivious to the world around you to be racist.  Judging someone by the color of their skin is just stupid and plain wrong.  Just because someone is from a ghetto doesn't make them a one-dimensional human being as black people are often portrayed in the media.  Everyone is different and should be judged on an individual basis."
That was very well said. And I agree full heatedly.
Edited by TwoOneFive
Maxszy said:
"bshirk said:
"Yes, he should be fired.  Racism is inexcusable, especially if you are an individual that's received an education.  I refuse to even be friends with people who are racist.  When my best friend of several years turned racist, I didn't have much to do with him anymore.  You have to have lost your humanity and/or be completely oblivious to the world around you to be racist.  Judging someone by the color of their skin is just stupid and plain wrong.  Just because someone is from a ghetto doesn't make them a one-dimensional human being as black people are often portrayed in the media.  Everyone is different and should be judged on an individual basis."
That was very well said. And I agree full heatedly."
I think the word is totally overrated, i mean, people in this city (like i said, i've lived here my entire life) don't really fucking care about it. i'm being totally honest here man, when i go to work later, or to class, i can joke around with black friends of mine and use the word nigger and they wont give a fuck, they'll laugh along, call me a cracker, because we ARE EDUCATED AND NOT FUCKING MORONS WHO GO APESHIT OVER A STUPID WORD. What people do care about as far as racism goes is discrimination. Not words, just actions. 

Now as far as him calling the people who lived in this ghetto the niggers....well let me tell you something first. my dad is a cop, he worked in the 22nd district before, they stick all of the rookies in there (because its a shit hole and the cops who have a few years under their belt dont want to be there), and and my dad has also worked in many other bad districts. He's told me many horrible stories about the shit he has seen and dealt with first hand. Everything from fucking dog skeletons littering parking lots, or walking into a house to investigate a what sounded like gunshots, only to find a wounded baby hanging on for dear life because her skull had been totally split open. THATS THE 22ND DISTRICT THAT THIS OFFICER IS WORKING IN. Sorry if he is using racist words, thats wrong, and he should be punished in some way for it, put in the desk job, give it some time and allowed back on the street driving his car again. Weather he called them niggers or not, that is a trashy fucking neighborhood full of trashy people. Are there good people there, yes, but far in between. Even the ones who seem decent have lots of dirty laundry.
For instance, one of the biggest problems this city has (it has the highest rate of murders in the city ya kno) is people not wanting to work with the police. They don't want to "snitch". Lets say a gang does a drive by (yes it does happen in real life, not just in gta4, happens ALL THE TIME) and they spray bullets in the direction of their target, well they fucking suck at shooting guns because they're morons and almost every single time some innocent bystander gets shot, and usually dies. Its usually a kid too. Last year, one incident was nearby a school and several kids got shot in the playground. 
Firing this cop is only taking one more way of fighting this awful crime away, especially now, when our dumb ass mayor has put a freeze on new recruits, they aren't hiring any new cops right now. I have friends who have opted to become prison security in the mean time. Mayor Street was ranked as one of the worst mayors in this country by newsweek (or some other major magazine, can't remember exactly), so what does this city do? goes and votes for his buddy Nutter to be the next mayor. 
Posted by bshirk
TwoOneFive said:
"Maxszy said:
"bshirk said:
"Yes, he should be fired.  Racism is inexcusable, especially if you are an individual that's received an education.  I refuse to even be friends with people who are racist.  When my best friend of several years turned racist, I didn't have much to do with him anymore.  You have to have lost your humanity and/or be completely oblivious to the world around you to be racist.  Judging someone by the color of their skin is just stupid and plain wrong.  Just because someone is from a ghetto doesn't make them a one-dimensional human being as black people are often portrayed in the media.  Everyone is different and should be judged on an individual basis."
That was very well said. And I agree full heatedly."
I think the word is totally overrated, i mean, people in this city (like i said, i've lived here my entire life) don't really fucking care about it. i'm being totally honest here man, when i go to work later, or to class, i can joke around with black friends of mine and use the word nigger and they wont give a fuck, they'll laugh along, call me a cracker, because we ARE EDUCATED AND NOT FUCKING MORONS WHO GO APESHIT OVER A STUPID WORD. What people do care about as far as racism goes is discrimination. Not words, just actions. 

Now as far as him calling the people who lived in this ghetto the niggers....well let me tell you something first. my dad is a cop, he worked in the 22nd district before, they stick all of the rookies in there (because its a shit hole and the cops who have a few years under their belt dont want to be there), and and my dad has also worked in many other bad districts. He's told me many horrible stories about the shit he has seen and dealt with first hand. Everything from fucking dog skeletons littering parking lots, or walking into a house to investigate a what sounded like gunshots, only to find a wounded baby hanging on for dear life because her skull had been totally split open. THATS THE 22ND DISTRICT THAT THIS OFFICER IS WORKING IN. Sorry if he is using racist words, thats wrong, and he should be punished in some way for it, put in the desk job, give it some time and allowed back on the street driving his car again. Weather he called them niggers or not, that is a trashy fucking neighborhood full of trashy people. Are there good people there, yes, but far in between. Even the ones who seem decent have lots of dirty laundry.
For instance, one of the biggest problems this city has (it has the highest rate of murders in the city ya kno) is people not wanting to work with the police. They don't want to "snitch". Lets say a gang does a drive by (yes it does happen in real life, not just in gta4, happens ALL THE TIME) and they spray bullets in the direction of their target, well they fucking suck at shooting guns because they're morons and almost every single time some innocent bystander gets shot, and usually dies. Its usually a kid too. Last year, one incident was nearby a school and several kids got shot in the playground. 
Firing this cop is only taking one more way of fighting this awful crime away, especially now, when our dumb ass mayor has put a freeze on new recruits, they aren't hiring any new cops right now. I have friends who have opted to become prison security in the mean time. Mayor Street was ranked as one of the worst mayors in this country by newsweek (or some other major magazine, can't remember exactly), so what does this city do? goes and votes for his buddy Nutter to be the next mayor. 
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Even if he's dealing with gangs, that still doesn't give him an excuse to be racist.  That is not just a word, because it has a long history behind it, and many black people are still discriminated against today.  Racism towards anyone--whatever your race is just plain stupid and wrong.  A lot of people try to pretend that it's just a joke or that racism doesn't exist anymore--well you're wrong.  My sister is adopted and a racial minority and receives racist comments from other people.  Even in the supposedly liberal and progressive city I live in, there's quite a few racists out there--and some of these are even university students.  It's fine to speak out against gangs, but calling someone the N-Word because they're black is just plain wrong.  I know of some great nice people that come from predominantly black ghettos.  Not everyone is a gangbanger.  There are also many white and mexican criminals out there.  Are you going to use racist terms to refer to them too?  And by the way, just because your dad is a cop, doesn't mean he's a good cop.  There are corrupt cops out there who are involved in drug dealing too and arrest minorities unlawfully.  There are cops in my city that have been involved with that crap and doing things like raping women.  Does that mean that all cops are bad?  No, but there are dirty cops out there too that don't really "serve and protect". 

Anyway, I highly doubt your "black friends" are okay with the words you use to describe them.  I encourage you to change and avoid using derogatory words and stereotypes to decribe people of various ethnicities.  It completely ignores the character of an individual and keeps the hate going. 
Posted by TwoOneFive

okay you clearly miss understood what i meant. i dont call my friends who are black niggers, but sometimes we joke around with eachother and say things like cracker and nigger and stuff like that and nobody cares. stop pretending to know so much. just because you know someone from the ghetto doesn't make you an expert. 

I'm telling you this cop isn't a racist. He's just choosing the wrong words to describe the black criminals he deals with everyday. 
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