The APB issue

*sigh* really? APB? Someone is deciding to buy up APB and keep it running? This seems incredibly ludicrous to me. I'm not simply harping on the game, as I am sure there is someone out there who likes it, but there just does not seem to be a logical business reason behind it. APB has once again proven that most of the so-called Shooter MMO's coming out lately do not make money, and have often led to the game being sold off or the company going under.
 
When I read this, I thought it was a stupid mistake for someone to do. I still think that, but it got me thinking. Can someone make a Good Shooter MMO? So far, the one's that have come out as of late have been mediocre at best. The problem that they face is that they are not actual MMO's, as everyone tells you, they lack the Massive quality that makes them so. I do not see what would be so difficult about having a first-person or third-person MMO in which you shoot Mobs and players, collect money and loot to buy and craft your guns, and take on missions or quests. I don't see the reason that a company has not done this as of yet. Instead they've opted to try instance-based fighting arena's that have been proven not to work. I remember seeing a trailer for the Shooter MMO that is being developed by the creators of EVE: Dust-514. From what i could see. they seemed to have a better idea of what to do with a Shooter MMO to make it work. Of course, it was just a trailer and how you feel about it is entirely subjective, but i appreciate that they are attempting to make something better than the others.
 
Do you have an idea of a company you feel could make a truly good Shooter MMO? Have an idea of one you wish to share? Feel free to reply 

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Posted by Tysman

*sigh* really? APB? Someone is deciding to buy up APB and keep it running? This seems incredibly ludicrous to me. I'm not simply harping on the game, as I am sure there is someone out there who likes it, but there just does not seem to be a logical business reason behind it. APB has once again proven that most of the so-called Shooter MMO's coming out lately do not make money, and have often led to the game being sold off or the company going under.
 
When I read this, I thought it was a stupid mistake for someone to do. I still think that, but it got me thinking. Can someone make a Good Shooter MMO? So far, the one's that have come out as of late have been mediocre at best. The problem that they face is that they are not actual MMO's, as everyone tells you, they lack the Massive quality that makes them so. I do not see what would be so difficult about having a first-person or third-person MMO in which you shoot Mobs and players, collect money and loot to buy and craft your guns, and take on missions or quests. I don't see the reason that a company has not done this as of yet. Instead they've opted to try instance-based fighting arena's that have been proven not to work. I remember seeing a trailer for the Shooter MMO that is being developed by the creators of EVE: Dust-514. From what i could see. they seemed to have a better idea of what to do with a Shooter MMO to make it work. Of course, it was just a trailer and how you feel about it is entirely subjective, but i appreciate that they are attempting to make something better than the others.
 
Do you have an idea of a company you feel could make a truly good Shooter MMO? Have an idea of one you wish to share? Feel free to reply 

Posted by Mrskidders

Bethesda.

Edited by GetEveryone
@Tysman said:

"I remember seeing a trailer for the Shooter MMO that is being developed by the creators of EVE: Dust-514. From what i could see. they seemed to have a better idea of what to do with a Shooter MMO to make it work."

Effectively: this. 
 
Hopefully they get it right. A world which has certain MMO tropes, but does the 3PS aspect correctly would be fantastic.
Posted by ShockD

People would do the oddest of things for money...

Posted by Pinworm45

The problem isn't that MMOF/3PS can't be done, the problem is that it hasn't been done right (at least in the past few years, I know some planetside fanboys will be descending upon this thread but I never played it). 
 
I'm still waiting for it to be done right, and Dust 514 is a very good candidate. I believe there's another too, but I forgot the name.

Posted by Tysman

Bethesda is an interesting choice, but with the buggyness of fallout and the odd character animations, i don't know if they'd get it right. A third person shooter, i feel, may be harder because it would put alot of attention on the character design, movement, equipment, art etc. But it wouldn't make it much hard enough to be un-doable at all.
 @antikorper:  You are not wrong enough in the slightest... I just don't see how they could get money out of this venture 
 
@Pinworm45:  Ah, yes, i've heard some talk about that game, but i never played it so i didn't feel it was my place to comment on a game that i hadn't played. 
 
 
Also, with the announcement of the Tribes MMO by the team behind Global Agenda, i feel totally indifferent to it... Any thoughts?

Posted by ShockD

@Tysman - the players pay monthly to play. How does this sound to you? Everything today is made for money...

Edited by Jasta

Whatever happened to Huxley?

Posted by Tysman
@antikorper:  Honestly? If it is an actual good game that is "Massively" multiplayer, then i'm fine with it. There are reasons why games such as WoW are Subscription based, and if this one is good enough to warrant a subscription, i'm perfectly fine with it
 
@Jasta: This is actually another game that i've heard talk of, but only once or twice and i don't really remember what was said, so i didn't feel it was my place to comment. Care to fill us in if you know much about it?
Posted by Tennmuerti
@Mrskidders said:
" Bethesda. "
Who have 0 experience in making MMO's, have been sitting on the same game engine for years, and have shitload of bugs even in their singleplayer games?
right
Edited by Gizmo
@Jasta said:

" Whatever happened to Huxley? "

They turned it into some terrible arena based 'Unreal Tournament' style shooter, aimed at the Asian market, last I heard of it. 
Posted by ShockD

@Tysman - that's the problem, it's not good enough. And that's why Realtime Studios bankrupted.

Posted by BabyChooChoo
Personally, I have no problem with them re-releasing APB in a non-broken state. The 'idea' for the game was promising and, if done right, could be amazing. Look up the interview that one of the producers did with Gamebreaker. Very insightful. If I remember right, the main problem was focusing too much on the twiddly knobs of the game instead of the very core of it. They worked from the outside-in instead of vice versa. They lost direction which in my mind is why you don't see many shooter MMOs. People just don't know where to go with it.
 
But to answer the question, CCP is easily the top pick for me. I think Hi-Rez, despite the flak they get, is also capable of making a good shooter mmo. Bethesda is also another reasonable choice for me. As for a wildcard pick...Blizzard. I think they could do it, but I certainly don't think they would.
 
@Gizmo said:
" @Jasta said:

" Whatever happened to Huxley? "

They turned it into some terrible arena based 'Unreal Tournament' style shooter, aimed at the Asian market, last I heard of it.  "
And now it's run by Ijji I believe which is never a good thing. Oh and yeah, that game is nothing at all like what they promised all those years ago.
Posted by Jasta
@Tysman:
@Gizmo said:
" @Jasta said:

" Whatever happened to Huxley? "

They turned it into some terrible arena based 'Unreal Tournament' style shooter, aimed at the Asian market, last I heard of it.  "
Thats a shame, I was looking forward to it. What was the reason behind the big change?
Posted by mikeeegeee
@Tysman: Is it insane to speculate that the high system requirements of APB contributed to its failure as well? I would've loved to have played, but I only have a three year old laptop. This laptop can, however, run WoW pretty well. What's that say about your business model?
Posted by CL60

Has it ever been confirmed that somebody bought it to bring it back? Or did they buy it to take the character creator and put it into there own game similar to APB?

Posted by Tysman
@mikeeegeee:  To be honest, i'm not sure if the target market for MMO's would be people that have computers that they don't update often. However, that probably did cause them to lose some number of sales, but i do not know if it was a considerable amount. And i didn't mean that APB deserved a monthly fee, Far from, i meant a theoretical Shooter MMO that was actually Massive and deserved such a fee.
 
@CL60: I am not sure, but the story said that the Patcher was stating that it would be bought as a live game, did it not?
Posted by ThatFrood
@Mrskidders said:
" Bethesda. "
Oh please fucking god let this be what is happening. Maybe we'll finally see a Bethesda game with characters that don't look like ass.
Posted by Tysman
@ThatFrood:  Doubt it.
Posted by Skullo

I doubt Hi-Rez can pull off Tribes good enough to even be worthy of it being called Tribes. I have never played it, but I saw videos and I actually played the training mission for it (google Tribes Next.) Tribes 2 would be probably be fun. But I doubt Tribes re make would be even able capture the experience of it. Tribes has a rich lore. But Hi-Rez ain't worth it.
 
 
I heard that Epic was buying APB. Anyone else hear about this?

Edited by fisk0
@ThatFrood said:

" @Mrskidders said:

" Bethesda. "
Oh please fucking god let this be what is happening. Maybe we'll finally see a Bethesda game with characters that don't look like ass. "

Or a game where the characters both look and act like asses, constantly screaming into headsets and spamming the text chat.

And, just like every Bethesda game, haven't been QA tested at all, resulting in hilarious glitches whenever you fire a gun, see another player on screen or walk anywhere.


By the way, I found it hilarious that APB - as an "Massive Multiplayer Game" grouped players into such ridiculously small teams. A Massive Multiplayer FPS should at least be on the scale of Quake 1 or MAG, with around 40-120 players or so. Not 8-16.

Posted by Tysman
@fisk0:  exactly! ans even MAG didn't charge a monthly rate, when it had far more reasons to than APB did, not that i believe it should have. 
 
@Skullo:  No, but that does not seem to be a proper fit to me... Anyone else?
Posted by Choi

Gearbox 
 
I'd play a Borderlands turn MMO. With added professions, resources, crafting, auction houses, banks and other MMO things like that, I'd be down with that.

Posted by kishan6
@Pinworm45 said:
" The problem isn't that MMOF/3PS can't be done, the problem is that it hasn't been done right (at least in the past few years, I know some planetside fanboys will be descending upon this thread but I never played it).  I'm still waiting for it to be done right, and Dust 514 is a very good candidate. I believe there's another too, but I forgot the name. "
PLANETSIDE!!!!! 
no but ya planetside was fucking awesome and idk why they havent done that again
Posted by Pinworm45
@kishan6 said:
" @Pinworm45 said:
" The problem isn't that MMOF/3PS can't be done, the problem is that it hasn't been done right (at least in the past few years, I know some planetside fanboys will be descending upon this thread but I never played it).  I'm still waiting for it to be done right, and Dust 514 is a very good candidate. I believe there's another too, but I forgot the name. "
PLANETSIDE!!!!! no but ya planetside was fucking awesome and idk why they havent done that again "
It is being done again. It's been all but announced that Planetside 2 is in the works.