Preserving the past


I've been pretty quiet here for the past few months or so. I set-up my video channel, which is going to have another dump of content soon. Looking back at the frequency of my blog updates in comparison to this year seems almost night and day. This year has been surprisingly hard for me in, and my emotional state is kinda less than stellar right now. I have a bunch of stuff to do, and I'm quite overwhelmed. 
 
I'm shooting for a huge goal next year. A new college, leaving my old one, a more structured life strict life that will come with it. I'm terrified. I really am. The metaphorical pants have been pissed multiple times just thinking about it. At the same time I want it happen now. My patience has dramatically diminished, with not just my goals, but socially with people as well for better or worse. I've become incredibly anxious.
 
Enough about that. Let's dive into a giant sea of text shall we?
 

It's good to be writing again
  
   
 One of the first things I did when I finally got my first HDTV several years back was hook up my PS2....and then immediately disconnect it...and walk around in a circle trying to understand what happened like someone after a car accident. What followed was a humble lesson regarding the differences between SD and HD, and my slow realization that we might have a problem down the road. 
 
Sony's decision to ignore backward compatibility with future PS3 models began to really bother me as I realized that hooking up a PS2 with component cables wasn't going to cut it for me. In the madness of trying to figure everything out, reality hit me like a sack of bricks. I feel that backward compatibility is paramount this generation. The preservation of the previous generation to look acceptable on our new monitors. One might argue that the change of aspect ratio is also a cause for concern, but the ability to not be able to play an older generation game on our new hardware, without really tinkering with it, really bothered the hell out of me. I snagged a 60 gig PS3 while simultaneously pretending that what I was paying was half...of what I was actually playing. Now I could play my older library of PS2 up-scanned without any problems. 
 
When my PS3 laser broke while playing Final Fantasy XIII I payed another bundle of money to get it fixed...once again pretending that I was paying half of it...
 
 I hope this one day happens.
I could have payed half of what I payed. Crap, I could have payed a fraction. When I logged on to Sony's site to get it fixed, I was greeted by a message asking me to "UPGRADE!" to a newer PS3 model. They would literally send me a new system for next to nothing. What a deal! Except it's not. Except the new models don't have backward compatibility. Except it's not an upgrade if you give me something that has less functionality. 
It's like giving someone a McDonald's meal, asking if they want to super-size it, and then take away their fry's. Don't give me that crap that the "Upgrade" they're talking about is the Hard-drive, most people swap that damn thing out the moment they buy these things.
 
If you haven't: The hell is wrong with you? It's easy, cheap, and Sony actually supports it. Bust out that screwdriver! NO! Zip your pants up! That's not what I meant you sick bastard!
 
...
 
...Anyway, my concern about preserving the previous generation kinda has hit over-drive the last few months as I started to explore the Sega Saturn library in full detail. (I'm hoping to post a bunch of cool stuff about that in a later date.) The system literally has a whole host of games nobody knows about, and is worth the time to really check out. It's upsetting that I didn't know about it, and it's upsetting that the only real way to experience it is through emulation that's not on the same level as it's Playstation counterpart, or doing what I've done: Hunting down a system and pretending that all the games for it are actually several times less that what they market at on Ebay. 
 
Click this. You see that price? Yeah. That's for one disk. For a four disk game. That's fucking ridiculous, I hate that and I really think something should be done about it. 

 
 
 So while I don't have an all-encompassing answer for a cheap, less expensive way to legitimately preserve games, without burning them to disks and emulating everything: Sony has kinda made up it's own mind about it, and I don't know how to  100% feel about it.
 
 Is it wrong to get really depressed thinking how nothing has happened with this series?
At this point I would like to talk about how I hate ports.
No, I would like to talk about how I hate ports, for the sake of making a port. Perhaps it's been the ad-nauseum of seeing yet another port of an NES Final Fantasy, or a port of Myst that for some reason has been on everything except XBLA or PSN. Think about that for a second. Myst is on the freaking DS. Yeah, I know! WTF right? Why would you put it on the DS? It feels like Telltale freaking owns a fraction of both PSN and XBLA for god-sake. Am I not the only one who see's opportunity here?! Sheesh
 
Well regardless, my taste for ports is all over the place. I'm looking at you Chrono Trigger DS, and how it feels like that the only reason why you exist is because Square was having a bad holiday season. Guess we will wait for the next new Chrono development! Hahahahahahaha! Like that's going to happen! XD
 
It's funny because it's sad.
 
-_-
...
 
...I have yet to place the like's of the God of War Collection, or The Sly Collection in a proper acceptance range. I loved the first Sly game, but I never got around playing the other two. The Sly Collection was a great way to dive into the whole series, and I'm very satisfied with my purchase. All three Sly games look phenomenal, there is a big difference between up-scaling and letting the PS3 render everything. Anyone leaning, or curious about a purchase might want to check this video out. ( Link source)
 
In a way these repacked collections are almost embodiments of everything I despise about ports. Sony has no interest returning it's PS2 functionality, and if my personal experiences with trying to get my PS3 repaired is any indication: Sony doesn't want me to have PS2 functionality. Why not make a quick buck off me, while they repackage and sell me a game I can already play with ease? It doesn't feel right. Perhaps my own personal acceptance would be better if Sony actually had backward compatibility back in their damn console.
 
Because I see so much potential in these re-releases, and I can't wait to see what else is down the line.  
I've always felt that giant compilation's of big name franchises has been a viable market. Why not? Surely you haven't played EVERY Ratchet and Clank game. Let's face some pretty bad fact's too: There's a good chance you don't own an actual copy of Ico....Bastard....
 
Sony has a neat, almost Criterion collection market it can easily camp on. Microsoft has it's abysmal Games on Demand service that I don't know anyone who uses. I can easily see good Sony exploiting this to their advantage.
 
I could also see bad use of these compilations. Hastily thrown together collections that don't use HD rendering, ignore trophy support, ignoring 16:9 widescreen, or doing
People who own all three games might be still inclined to pick it up, perhaps at a lower price?
something really stupid: Like sticking each entry individually online at a fixed price. Thing's like that really under-utilize what's possibly a really good use of preserving past generation games in one disk that we can probably plop into our Playstation 4's, or, whatever.
 
The idea of every Resident Evil game on one disk, full HD and trophy support appeals to you. Admit it.
 
So I gotta ask: What's your take on this strategy? Perhaps we've talked about this before, but in regards to...I don't want to say "ethics", but perhaps the wondering inclination if there could be another solution to bringing the PS2 library into the HD generation proper, for everybody who still owns their PS2 games. I'm still torn about it, I wonder what other people think.
 
BTW: I see a bunch of talk with people wanting the PS2 generation Final Fantasy games in one giant collection. That's all fine and good, but you have to be aware that there will be trophy support....
 
   
  
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I SEE YOU CRYING FOR A PLATINUM TROPHY FOR FINAL FANTASY X IN YOUR FUTURE!!!
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Posted by vidiot

I've been pretty quiet here for the past few months or so. I set-up my video channel, which is going to have another dump of content soon. Looking back at the frequency of my blog updates in comparison to this year seems almost night and day. This year has been surprisingly hard for me in, and my emotional state is kinda less than stellar right now. I have a bunch of stuff to do, and I'm quite overwhelmed. 
 
I'm shooting for a huge goal next year. A new college, leaving my old one, a more structured life strict life that will come with it. I'm terrified. I really am. The metaphorical pants have been pissed multiple times just thinking about it. At the same time I want it happen now. My patience has dramatically diminished, with not just my goals, but socially with people as well for better or worse. I've become incredibly anxious.
 
Enough about that. Let's dive into a giant sea of text shall we?
 

It's good to be writing again
  
   
 One of the first things I did when I finally got my first HDTV several years back was hook up my PS2....and then immediately disconnect it...and walk around in a circle trying to understand what happened like someone after a car accident. What followed was a humble lesson regarding the differences between SD and HD, and my slow realization that we might have a problem down the road. 
 
Sony's decision to ignore backward compatibility with future PS3 models began to really bother me as I realized that hooking up a PS2 with component cables wasn't going to cut it for me. In the madness of trying to figure everything out, reality hit me like a sack of bricks. I feel that backward compatibility is paramount this generation. The preservation of the previous generation to look acceptable on our new monitors. One might argue that the change of aspect ratio is also a cause for concern, but the ability to not be able to play an older generation game on our new hardware, without really tinkering with it, really bothered the hell out of me. I snagged a 60 gig PS3 while simultaneously pretending that what I was paying was half...of what I was actually playing. Now I could play my older library of PS2 up-scanned without any problems. 
 
When my PS3 laser broke while playing Final Fantasy XIII I payed another bundle of money to get it fixed...once again pretending that I was paying half of it...
 
 I hope this one day happens.
I could have payed half of what I payed. Crap, I could have payed a fraction. When I logged on to Sony's site to get it fixed, I was greeted by a message asking me to "UPGRADE!" to a newer PS3 model. They would literally send me a new system for next to nothing. What a deal! Except it's not. Except the new models don't have backward compatibility. Except it's not an upgrade if you give me something that has less functionality. 
It's like giving someone a McDonald's meal, asking if they want to super-size it, and then take away their fry's. Don't give me that crap that the "Upgrade" they're talking about is the Hard-drive, most people swap that damn thing out the moment they buy these things.
 
If you haven't: The hell is wrong with you? It's easy, cheap, and Sony actually supports it. Bust out that screwdriver! NO! Zip your pants up! That's not what I meant you sick bastard!
 
...
 
...Anyway, my concern about preserving the previous generation kinda has hit over-drive the last few months as I started to explore the Sega Saturn library in full detail. (I'm hoping to post a bunch of cool stuff about that in a later date.) The system literally has a whole host of games nobody knows about, and is worth the time to really check out. It's upsetting that I didn't know about it, and it's upsetting that the only real way to experience it is through emulation that's not on the same level as it's Playstation counterpart, or doing what I've done: Hunting down a system and pretending that all the games for it are actually several times less that what they market at on Ebay. 
 
Click this. You see that price? Yeah. That's for one disk. For a four disk game. That's fucking ridiculous, I hate that and I really think something should be done about it. 

 
 
 So while I don't have an all-encompassing answer for a cheap, less expensive way to legitimately preserve games, without burning them to disks and emulating everything: Sony has kinda made up it's own mind about it, and I don't know how to  100% feel about it.
 
 Is it wrong to get really depressed thinking how nothing has happened with this series?
At this point I would like to talk about how I hate ports.
No, I would like to talk about how I hate ports, for the sake of making a port. Perhaps it's been the ad-nauseum of seeing yet another port of an NES Final Fantasy, or a port of Myst that for some reason has been on everything except XBLA or PSN. Think about that for a second. Myst is on the freaking DS. Yeah, I know! WTF right? Why would you put it on the DS? It feels like Telltale freaking owns a fraction of both PSN and XBLA for god-sake. Am I not the only one who see's opportunity here?! Sheesh
 
Well regardless, my taste for ports is all over the place. I'm looking at you Chrono Trigger DS, and how it feels like that the only reason why you exist is because Square was having a bad holiday season. Guess we will wait for the next new Chrono development! Hahahahahahaha! Like that's going to happen! XD
 
It's funny because it's sad.
 
-_-
...
 
...I have yet to place the like's of the God of War Collection, or The Sly Collection in a proper acceptance range. I loved the first Sly game, but I never got around playing the other two. The Sly Collection was a great way to dive into the whole series, and I'm very satisfied with my purchase. All three Sly games look phenomenal, there is a big difference between up-scaling and letting the PS3 render everything. Anyone leaning, or curious about a purchase might want to check this video out. ( Link source)
 
In a way these repacked collections are almost embodiments of everything I despise about ports. Sony has no interest returning it's PS2 functionality, and if my personal experiences with trying to get my PS3 repaired is any indication: Sony doesn't want me to have PS2 functionality. Why not make a quick buck off me, while they repackage and sell me a game I can already play with ease? It doesn't feel right. Perhaps my own personal acceptance would be better if Sony actually had backward compatibility back in their damn console.
 
Because I see so much potential in these re-releases, and I can't wait to see what else is down the line.  
I've always felt that giant compilation's of big name franchises has been a viable market. Why not? Surely you haven't played EVERY Ratchet and Clank game. Let's face some pretty bad fact's too: There's a good chance you don't own an actual copy of Ico....Bastard....
 
Sony has a neat, almost Criterion collection market it can easily camp on. Microsoft has it's abysmal Games on Demand service that I don't know anyone who uses. I can easily see good Sony exploiting this to their advantage.
 
I could also see bad use of these compilations. Hastily thrown together collections that don't use HD rendering, ignore trophy support, ignoring 16:9 widescreen, or doing
People who own all three games might be still inclined to pick it up, perhaps at a lower price?
something really stupid: Like sticking each entry individually online at a fixed price. Thing's like that really under-utilize what's possibly a really good use of preserving past generation games in one disk that we can probably plop into our Playstation 4's, or, whatever.
 
The idea of every Resident Evil game on one disk, full HD and trophy support appeals to you. Admit it.
 
So I gotta ask: What's your take on this strategy? Perhaps we've talked about this before, but in regards to...I don't want to say "ethics", but perhaps the wondering inclination if there could be another solution to bringing the PS2 library into the HD generation proper, for everybody who still owns their PS2 games. I'm still torn about it, I wonder what other people think.
 
BTW: I see a bunch of talk with people wanting the PS2 generation Final Fantasy games in one giant collection. That's all fine and good, but you have to be aware that there will be trophy support....
 
   
  
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I SEE YOU CRYING FOR A PLATINUM TROPHY FOR FINAL FANTASY X IN YOUR FUTURE!!!
Posted by Shirogane

I...i never even got the 200 needed for the weapon. 
 
I calculated it, and it was either 20 mins or 40 mins of lightning dodging that it would take to get that 200.
Edited by X19

That video is the most sad pathetic thing I have ever seen. 
 
FF always shafts players like this. I remember FF12 when I wanted that spear (best weapon in the game) and realised after trawling through an endless dungeon if you opened a treasure chest in one of three areas of the game beforehand you will never get the spear. Fuck you Square. 
 
Oh and I own a copy of Ico.

Posted by Tordah

Excellent blog!
 
The backwards compatibility issue of the PS3 has always bugged me. At one point I was really eager to buy one so I could experience all the great games I missed out on from the PS1 and PS2 era, but then they discontinued that model before I had a chance to get one.  Now, I could've probably gone and bought a used PS3 with the backwards compatibility function, but sooner or later I would probably have ended up in the same situation as you are now when it breaks down. 
 
As a customer, I totally agree with your points about "upgrading" to an inferior product. It just sucks on so many levels, and it turned me off from buying a PS3 completely. I figured I'd wait and see how the situation developes, and well, now it seems like these HD collections are the way of the future.

Edited by Ghostiet

I'm fine with the collections if it's done the way it was with GoW, for example. Ten bucks off, trophy support, better graphics and nobody is actually forcing it down my throat, although I think this could be done pretty nice WITH backwards compatibility on board.

It's understandable why Sony decided to scratch that feature - but it doesn't make it less of a dick move.

Also, such retooling may give a second chance to some games like Ico and Shadow of the Colossus (scratch Beyond Good & Evil, it's the most overrated game ever), I'd really like to have these guys acclaimed not only with the critics, but also with some Benjamin Franklins. They deserve it. Of course, it's not an absolute and the Team Ico collection may completely flop - something similar happened with Serenity, the Firefly movie, which had bombed despite massive hype about finishing the series and much recalling of the show's mythical cancellation. Still, it's a risk worth taking.

Posted by Doctorchimp

I am slightly lost about your post
 
You complain about the Saturn, which I owned when it was out and still do wrapped up with its cords and even yes Panzer Dragoon Saga, and how it's current state of affairs has you complaining about Panzer Dragoon Saga's price. But in the exact same posting you sort of dismiss the PS2 HD collections. What exactly do you want the videogame companies to do? They aren't as big as the movie industry so preserving their history will continue to be on the back burner for the moment. Besides the way movie companies preserve their history...is more or less what Sony is doing. Could they make a VHS/Blu Ray player? Yes. But at some point you have to let the old formats go. You can still totally play old formats on their old machines though. For example the chrono trigger on the DS argument I don't quite understand...a lot of kids haven't played that game, is it completely out of the question to let them pick it up on the DS or should Nintendo continue to peddle SNES carts and systems?
 
Sony getting rid of the PS2 backwards compatibility for the slim is shitty, but Sony didn't come into my room and hammer the PS2 I have hooked up to my 24 inch monitor that plays SD PS2 games fine. Playing a PS2 game on your PS3 and playing the collection version by the way isn't close to the same thing. It's like owning a VHS and going to Blu Ray since all the weird hitches are thrown out along with it being at 60 fps and full 1080p. I still have my black label boxes of Ico and Shadow of the Colossus, but is the Team Ico collection going to be bought by me in April? Goddamn right it is. 
 
PS: I'm ecstatic you're enjoying the Saturn apparently more than I ever did, while Panzer Dragoon Saga was one of the best games I ever played the rest of the Saturn library had me wishing I just waited for an N64 to compliment my PS1. Still though the couple strategy RPGs were great as was Street Fighter Alpha until Panzer Dragoon Saga came out at the end. Not much anyone can do about that though, Sega fucked up and will continue to. I'll be gladly waiting for an HD version of it when it's re-released if they ever do get it together or hell they could dazzle me and make PDS 2 with Saga as a bonus, like Orta had the first Panzer Dragoon. For the record Saga is the only Panzer Dragoon I liked, never could get into rail shooters.

Posted by Claude

What's this HD you speak of? Kidding, but it does seem counterintuitive. That's one thing the Wii did right and surprisingly, GameCube games hold up well. 
 
@Ghostiet:
I always thought Psychonauts was the most overrated game ever. Beyond Good & Evil was ten times better or something like that.

Posted by Ghostiet
@Claude:
I actually really liked Psychonauts, although that game is very flawed. Jesus, some streamlining would really help it. BGE on the other hand is a mess, especially near the ending, where a horrible ass pull happens, completely negating Ancel's status as a visionary - great people don't deal in bullshit.
Posted by vidiot
@Shirogane: 
I tried doing it for about ten minutes. Then I got struck by lightning. Then I turned the system off and went outside.
 
@X19:
I killed Yiazmat in Final Fantasy XII. Then I turned the system off and went outside. 
 
@Tordah:
Thanks. My "upgrading" experience defiantly left me a bit paranoid. 
 
@Ghostiet:
I never have really thought about the potential risk involved, good points.
 
@Doctorchimp said:
" I am slightly lost about your post
Good, because that's the point. :P
I don't have an absolute opinion yet, as you can see I'm still fighting with myself trying to make a conclusion. 
Perhaps Chrono Trigger wasn't the most ideal comparison, that port awakens my personal fan bias and that can get a bit out-of-hand. While I'm concerned about preserving old games, I get the feeling that if you've wanted to play Chrono Trigger in the last fifteen years: You've played Chrono Trigger, legitimately or probably in this case illegitimately. The game was out of print for years and had already had a pretty bombastic Playstation port. Square has been sitting on the Chrono rights for years, doing next to nothing with it, and suing anyone who comes within close approximation with doing anything constructive with the franchise. I'm getting off topic and can go on about this. I think this is something I've actually blogged about before. :P
  
I've always fallen into the camp, that if one is to take the time and port a game: They should do something new to it. Add something to it. New content, new geometry, textures, something. Something more than a poorly made "extreme dungeon!" with color swapped enemies. The PlayStation 2 collections by contrast, fall somewhere in the middle of my own personal bias, and that's probably the most confusing aspect for me.
 
Here's something you might want to take notice of: I don't own a SDTV anymore. Why should I? I have two HDTV's, a large Bravia that sits in the family room, and a small HD Monitor that I use primarily for my games and computer. SDTV's are bulky, and I honestly don't have much space to put them anymore. Sony didn't smash my old equipment: I did. For the Saturn, I've been looking for better cables and have been considering either snagging an S-Video cable for it...Or something more drastic.
O_O

You say VHS to DVD. I can agree that the differences in resolution give the impression of a comparable jump, but the problem is that it seems the actual technical hardware is more comparable to...well.........DVD to BlurRay. 
Indeed we will one day need to abandon the old technology of the past. We don't have DVD/VHS combo's anymore, but I'm sure as hell able to play a DVD on my BluRay player...or a CD....
 
I don't feel like we've had that comparable bridge yet for the consumer. I don't feel like that functionality is something we have to also lose. I don't think Sony is going to have the ability to cover a fraction of it's huge PS2 archive, which is another problem. Wait and see, but I'm thinking there needs to be a compromise. Specifically, a concrete manner to play old games on our new HDTV's without issue. Putting said functionality on the backburner or not, I feel like we need something soon. 
 
Hope I cleared something up for you :P
 
@Claude: 
GET WITH THE PROGRAM OLD MAN.
 
I'm really curious what will happen when Nintendo finally goes HD.