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#1 Posted by washingmachine (146 posts) -

@crembaw said:

Christ, these guys had more luck than most people who dream of making games will ever come close to having. They even had a successful Kickstarter to keep going when the government decided to pull out! Everything they've said and posted on Twitter since the studio's closure just reads like a couple hooligans up their own asses about their education level, both of whom severely lack any level of introspection or self-analysis.

There's a legit debate to be had about who gets, how groups distribute, or if there even should be government funding for the arts. But as far as I can tell, these guys only get mentioned because they made a few critical darlings. There's nothing exceptional about them other than their catastrophic meltdown, and they shouldn't be used as evidence for an argument suggesting there's a decline in government fund supply for the arts.

Winner.

#2 Edited by washingmachine (146 posts) -

Their games are obnoxious, boring, and nowhere near clever. Market dictates, etc.

edit: I recently watched Sunset being played on YT and it looks dreadful. It's just someone's meandering and shoddy ideas of what introspection is. It has nothing to say; it's more concerned with 'artfully' gazing at scenery than anything else.

They can bitch and about how games being a hostile space for artistic expression, but first they need to make actual compelling content that people want to engage with - no matter that audience's size.

#3 Posted by washingmachine (146 posts) -

I can't even tell you how disappointed Destiny has been since day 1. Granted, I stopped playing after about 12 hours, but all the bullshit surrounding it (1000 different factions, vendors, blah blah), the MIND-NUMBINGLY boring combat scenarios (from the makers of Halo!!!), and the nickel-and-diming like this... it's all just so sad.

#5 Edited by washingmachine (146 posts) -

Maybe I just don't want to know what's going to happen in the narrative ahead of time and would rather find out for myself! Especially if I'm going to watch it anyway! What's so wrong with that! I don't care about your 'discussion'! Ugh! F off!

#6 Edited by washingmachine (146 posts) -

@thatpinguino said:
@washingmachine said:
@thatpinguino said:

@washingmachine: @amyggen: I can't wait for the day when these sorts of pieces aren't necessary. But, given the largely positive response to this article when compared to the tenor of your usual game discussion on race, I think the article hit its mark and steered the discussion in a positive direction.

Maybe there's value in saying it to remind the people who commit those sins, I'll give you that. I just try not to engage with them - that's my solution.

Sure but if you don't challenging people who are being ignorant or disingenuous you allow their comments to stand as permissible. If I've learned anything from my years on blogging on GB its that the best way to elevate the discourse is to try to politely and intelligently engage others as best you can and let people know when they are out of line. I think it is a corollary to the knucklehead rule in basketball: every team can tolerate one knucklehead, but if you have two or more then they start hanging out and then you have a problem. I think rudeness and disingenuous arguments function the same way. One or two are fine; but, if you just allow them to go unexamined, then you get problems.

I get all that. I'm just pointing out that some people seem more interested in talking about why they're talking than actually talking, if you follow.

#7 Posted by washingmachine (146 posts) -

@washingmachine: @amyggen: I can't wait for the day when these sorts of pieces aren't necessary. But, given the largely positive response to this article when compared to the tenor of your usual game discussion on race, I think the article hit its mark and steered the discussion in a positive direction.

Maybe there's value in saying it to remind the people who commit those sins, I'll give you that. I just try not to engage with them - that's my solution.

#8 Edited by washingmachine (146 posts) -

With all due respect, I feel articles like this are something of a flag-waving distraction. I don't quite see the use in summarising the values of debate when you're actually in the middle of a debate. Just have the debate! I understand that people will be quite bad sports by being arrogant, churlish, etc. But personally, I'm not too fussed about this on the whole. I care about facts, and not someone's unsupported ideals or bad behaviour.

And I flinch at this discussion of "systemic" racism, sexism, whatever. This stuff reeks of liberal masochism (I say that as a liberal), and I find it a little unproductive. Sure, there are problems with race and sexism in our shared cultures, I wouldn't deny that. However, I do think you're falling victim to heavy-handed political correctness in discourses such as this Witcher one. Your intent is sound: you want to see more racial representation in game worlds and their narratives. On its face, there's nothing wrong with that. In this case, though, your cultural values - as informed by a life in the USA and Canada - simply don't belong. That's not a sly way of saying "shut up because your opinion means shit" - I'm simply saying that you're out of your depth, and propelling theories trading on "white guilt" will ultimately do more harm than good when trying to build solid back-and-forth.

If you feel your own minority group is too used to the sidelines, then I get why that sucks. Granted, I'm not an expert on Polish history or mythology either...far from it! But listening to people who know more on these subjects and reading up on the details myself, I don't think it's entirely reasonable - from a creative standpoint - to expect or demand representation where it simply wouldn't make sense. To my mind, striking that creative balance is more valid than meeting the (often high) demands of some politically correct quota.

#10 Posted by washingmachine (146 posts) -

kash money