My thoughts (amazing) Mass Effect L.A. Noir Heavy Rain

Yesterday I started playing this "L.A. Noir". On another forum I was on I read people say it was "unworthy" of the Rockstar name. I suspect these children went into the game thinking it would be a sandbox title of "follow the line" Grand theft auto rather than an adventure game. Thankfully I was far more open minded.

First problem, the combat feels tacked on. This is probably to appeal to dude bros who play Gears Of War and Grand Theft Auto. You get a bunch of really short, repetitive sequences of shooting people then chasing them. Over and over. It feels out of place. The detective talky adventure stuff is the good part of this game, not the action sequences.

Now dudes, this is the comparison bit. While massive jerkoff's like Bioware and David Cage put out Heavy Rain and Mass Effect titles that aspire for "mature gaming". What they actually amount to is sterile characters full of either, overly melodramatic campy dialog (Heavy Rain) or emotionless Vulcan like dialogue (Mass Effect).

L.A. Noir has the most believable characters I have seen in a video game. This has fuckall to do with the animation system (that works against it because it is weird looking) but the amazing voice work and writing. People, sound like people. Not some geeky Bioware nerd writer imagining what sex would be like for normal people and attempting to simulate it. When I play this game, it feels like these characters could actually exist. It's about as close to participating in a "TV show" as I have played in a video game.

I usually hate talky sections because they are almost always badly done. And go right to the action sequences. With L.A. Noir it is the exact opposite. This game is a new peak for voice work and writing. It's organic and feels natural.

The much talked about animation system, I don't like. It's odd looking at best, horrible at worst. Valve have better animations imo. Those look more natural for a video game than something so realistic it is off-putting.

L.A. Nior, cool dude game. Way better RPG than Mass Effect. Way better "cinimatic bla bla" than Heavy Rain.

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Edited by whyareyoucrouchingspock

Yesterday I started playing this "L.A. Noir". On another forum I was on I read people say it was "unworthy" of the Rockstar name. I suspect these children went into the game thinking it would be a sandbox title of "follow the line" Grand theft auto rather than an adventure game. Thankfully I was far more open minded.

First problem, the combat feels tacked on. This is probably to appeal to dude bros who play Gears Of War and Grand Theft Auto. You get a bunch of really short, repetitive sequences of shooting people then chasing them. Over and over. It feels out of place. The detective talky adventure stuff is the good part of this game, not the action sequences.

Now dudes, this is the comparison bit. While massive jerkoff's like Bioware and David Cage put out Heavy Rain and Mass Effect titles that aspire for "mature gaming". What they actually amount to is sterile characters full of either, overly melodramatic campy dialog (Heavy Rain) or emotionless Vulcan like dialogue (Mass Effect).

L.A. Noir has the most believable characters I have seen in a video game. This has fuckall to do with the animation system (that works against it because it is weird looking) but the amazing voice work and writing. People, sound like people. Not some geeky Bioware nerd writer imagining what sex would be like for normal people and attempting to simulate it. When I play this game, it feels like these characters could actually exist. It's about as close to participating in a "TV show" as I have played in a video game.

I usually hate talky sections because they are almost always badly done. And go right to the action sequences. With L.A. Noir it is the exact opposite. This game is a new peak for voice work and writing. It's organic and feels natural.

The much talked about animation system, I don't like. It's odd looking at best, horrible at worst. Valve have better animations imo. Those look more natural for a video game than something so realistic it is off-putting.

L.A. Nior, cool dude game. Way better RPG than Mass Effect. Way better "cinimatic bla bla" than Heavy Rain.

Posted by killacam
Posted by AlexW00d

@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:

Yesterday I started playing this "L.A. Noir". On another forum I was on I read people say it was "unworthy" of the Rockstar name. I suspect these children went into the game thinking it would be a sandbox title of "follow the line" Grand theft auto rather than an adventure game. Thankfully I was far more open minded.

I went in to this game expecting a full blown adventure game, and didn't enjoy it at all, so there's that for you.

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Edited by evanbower

@killacam:

Posted by Hamz

I really enjoyed Heavy Rain, I just wish there was more to do outside of the main story.

Posted by AlexanderSheen
L.A. Nior, cool dude game. Way better RPG than Mass Effect. Way better "cinimatic bla bla" than Heavy Rain.

Put that at the back of the box.

Posted by PassiveKaerenai

Yes, L.A. Noire feels like a TV show, but only because it's 'typical' of what we expect to see on TV - i.e., unoriginal. The setting, dialogue and tone are totally cliche. Call it a noir-pastiche, noir-homage, noir-whoring, but I felt like I'd seen it all before - and since the gameplay took a back-seat to the played-out cinematic aspect, it just didn't hold up as a game.

Edited by TentPole

The end has come. I agree with everything @whyareyoucrouchingspock is saying. Except for the stuff about the animation system. I like that.

Posted by MariachiMacabre

Someone must have hacked his account because he's accusing people who disagree with him as being hipster nihilists.

Posted by FancySoapsMan

Nah man, L.A. Noire's story and characters were terrible

Posted by whyareyoucrouchingspock

@PassiveKaerenai said:

Yes, L.A. Noire feels like a TV show, but only because it's 'typical' of what we expect to see on TV - i.e., unoriginal. The setting, dialogue and tone are totally cliche. Call it a noir-pastiche, noir-homage, noir-whoring, but I felt like I'd seen it all before - and since the gameplay took a back-seat to the played-out cinematic aspect, it just didn't hold up as a game.

Actually you're right. I take it all back. Tv shows suck as well. Waste of time.

Posted by killacam

Posted by JasonR86

LA Noire doesn't compare to Mass Effect because they are different games offering different story experiences. LA Noire does compare to Heavy Rain as they are both adventure games attempting to tell mature stories. Honestly, I put them in the same, exact league. I had just as much fun with both games. Both games have similar problems. Both games really made the same impact on me.

Posted by killacam

heavy rain > mass effect 2 > la noire > farmville > mass effect 3

Posted by PassiveKaerenai

@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:

@PassiveKaerenai said:

Yes, L.A. Noire feels like a TV show, but only because it's 'typical' of what we expect to see on TV - i.e., unoriginal. The setting, dialogue and tone are totally cliche. Call it a noir-pastiche, noir-homage, noir-whoring, but I felt like I'd seen it all before - and since the gameplay took a back-seat to the played-out cinematic aspect, it just didn't hold up as a game.

Actually you're right. I take it all back. Tv shows suck as well. Waste of time.

Cool straw-man bro. Criticising a medium for worn-out clichés =/= dismissing entire mediums.

Why bother opening a discussion about liking a game when you're not willing to confront other opinions with maturity?

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@PassiveKaerenai said:

@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:

@PassiveKaerenai said:

Yes, L.A. Noire feels like a TV show, but only because it's 'typical' of what we expect to see on TV - i.e., unoriginal. The setting, dialogue and tone are totally cliche. Call it a noir-pastiche, noir-homage, noir-whoring, but I felt like I'd seen it all before - and since the gameplay took a back-seat to the played-out cinematic aspect, it just didn't hold up as a game.

Actually you're right. I take it all back. Tv shows suck as well. Waste of time.

Cool straw-man bro. Criticising a medium for worn-out clichés =/= dismissing entire mediums.

Why bother opening a discussion about liking a game when you're not willing to confront other opinions with maturity?

Because you badly attempting to use it as a guise to attack me and thus... it is a huge waste of time? Bro.

We are bro's, right?

Posted by Clonedzero

i really enjoyed playing through LA noire. it was new and refreshing. it was something unlike any other game ive played. the facial animation stuff was amazing throughout the whole game. kept me engaged.

HOWEVER, after beating it roughly a year ago, with reflection, i dont find it as interesting looking back at it. the characters weren't that great, they were passable, but none of them memorable or likable. the story had up's and downs. the isolated cases were the best, when they started trying to tie it all into a big evil scheme the game started to fall apart for me.

for a noire story to work you have to be invested in the characters, and i didnt give a shit about anyone. especially cole phelps who is supposed to be our hero. but the core idea behind the game was fantastic. a crime game where you play a cop trying to solve crimes using evidence and clues rather than just shooting badguys. i loved that. investigating the crime scenes, finding the clues, putting together the evidence in my head, interviewing people and then being like "AH HA! you liar! lookie here! these panties! THEY ARE PROOF!".

i would still recommend it to most people as its a unique game that people should play. but the story and characters were what held it back from being amazing.

Posted by RazielCuts
Posted by Zippedbinders

I had a choice of buying LA Noire today or Dragon Age 2.

I bought Dragon Age 2.

Edited by QuistisTrepe

The very premise of the OP's thread is so atrocious that it doesn't even warrant a lengthy, well-written reply. They're just plain dumb.

"HUHUHUHUH DUUUUUUUUDE I GONNA BASH ON MASS EFFECT TO SOUND COOL AND EDGY! lolololololol"

Posted by Sackmanjones

Ok I don't disagree with that L.A Noire is a unique and cool game. You don't need to throw other games under the bus to explain it though . You keep saying people are rude to you and it's because you tend to call out franchises that people really enjoy and don't deserve your crazy criticism.

Posted by JasonR86

@Sackmanjones said:

Ok I don't disagree with that L.A Noire is a unique and cool game. You don't need to throw other games under the bus to explain it though . You keep saying people are rude to you and it's because you tend to call out franchises that people really enjoy and don't deserve your crazy criticism.

But he's so entitled to say these things because he's not a dude-bro like the rest of us peasants.

Posted by Cloudenvy
Edited by MariachiMacabre

@JasonR86 said:

@Sackmanjones said:

Ok I don't disagree with that L.A Noire is a unique and cool game. You don't need to throw other games under the bus to explain it though . You keep saying people are rude to you and it's because you tend to call out franchises that people really enjoy and don't deserve your crazy criticism.

But he's so entitled to say these things because he's not an opportunist hipster nihilist like the rest of us opportunist hipster nihilists.

Fix'd

Posted by JasonR86

@MariachiMacabre said:

@JasonR86 said:

@Sackmanjones said:

Ok I don't disagree with that L.A Noire is a unique and cool game. You don't need to throw other games under the bus to explain it though . You keep saying people are rude to you and it's because you tend to call out franchises that people really enjoy and don't deserve your crazy criticism.

But he's so entitled to say these things because he's not an opportunist hipster nihilist like the rest of us opportunist hipster nihilists.

Fix'd

Either/or really. It depends on which thread of his we're talking about.

Posted by Sackmanjones
@JasonR86 Well duh, everyone is a dude bro cept Spock! Didn't you know that due bro?
Posted by JasonR86

@Sackmanjones said:

@JasonR86 Well duh, everyone is a dude bro cept Spock! Didn't you know that due bro?

That's too high concept an idea for me dude. I'm going to go back to Gears of War and GTA because apparently those are the two games dude-bros play, dude.

Posted by Sackmanjones
@JasonR86

@Sackmanjones said:

@JasonR86 Well duh, everyone is a dude bro cept Spock! Didn't you know that due bro?

That's too high concept an idea for me dude. I'm going to go back to Gears of War and GTA because apparently those are the two games dude-bros play, dude.

Woah awesome bro! Can I bring some 40s over and we will dude out playing gears of war? Anyone else wanna come? Who's bringin the pizza?
Posted by nintendoeats

Why do we keep posting in this guy's threads?

Edited by whyareyoucrouchingspock

They could have done a better job with the pc version. While sitting several feet away I don't really notice the quility of the textures or the rather blurry effect when viewing things at a distance with in the game. Up close (with in one two feet from the screen) the game tends to look quite bad. The animation quility helps counter the poor texture quility but the fuzzy blur isn't asthetically pleasing.

Posted by Cloudenvy

@nintendoeats said:

Why do we keep posting in this guy's threads?

Because we are opportunist hipster nihilists. Duh.

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@nintendoeats said:

Why do we keep posting in this guy's threads?

Because he is probably one of the best trolls i've seen on these forums in a long time. You can't say he isn't a successful troll.

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Posted by AlexanderSheen

Warning for everyone! Don't go and see Spock's profile!

I accidentally did it and... it was unpleasant, like the Stroker page.

Posted by Sackmanjones
@AlexanderSheen I did. Someone help me
Posted by AlexanderSheen

@Sackmanjones said:

@AlexanderSheen I did. Someone help me

I'm sorry to tell you this: no one can help you now. You are already dead.

Posted by ArbitraryWater

@nintendoeats said:

Why do we keep posting in this guy's threads?

Because they are the perfect storm of PC elitism, bad writing and grammar, condescension towards the reader and random references to Total War Shogun 2 as the greatest piece of computer software ever given to man. In other words, he's basically HitmanAgent47 with less conspiracy and more telling you about your dudebro hipster nihilist tendencies. Personally, I think he's topped Jay444111 in the incredulity department several times over at this point.

Posted by Erk_Forever

@QuistisTrepe: Yep. He can't like a popular game; otherwise he just wants to sound cool and edgy. Forget that it was primarily about L.A. Noire. All we glean from it is "mass effect blah blah blah".

PS I love Mass Effect and L.A. Noire.

Edited by oraknabo

This game was impressive and ambitious, but Phoenix Wright is better in every way.

The open world looked neat but was lifeless and pointless, in fact, you could just skip it by having your partner drive.

I love the idea of the interrogations, but the actual system is terrible. You never knew what you were actually accusing someone of. I hit my point of frustration with it when it gave me a choice between two guys and would only let me charge the guy I though was innocent.

I may go back and play it again, but this game really just didn't work for me.

Posted by EXTomar

@Cloudenvy said:

Exactly.

Posted by Dylabaloo

The game would have benefited if the game elements more hidden, such as you did 10/12 right in that interrogation, we should just have to live with the decisions and cases can end with you "losing" a case. But the scoring system made me reload saves. With all said I did enjoy this game.

Posted by HerbieBug

You know, for all the things that LA Noire did wrong, I consider it one of the most promising new games released in this generation.  The basic formula they had, adventure style exploration and dialogue tree interrogation, was good.  The execution wasn't quite right but the idea was great.  This is the sort of game I have always wanted to play.  A true evolution of the adventure genre.
 
Here's hoping another developer takes the good bits of LA Noire and runs with them to make a brand new IP.  I will buy day 1.  :)

Posted by Akeldama

@whyareyoucrouchingspock: I don't know what it is, but somehow you always manage to piss me off within the first paragraph of your posts. You have voice, I'll give you that much.

Posted by HerbieBug
@evanbower said:

@killacam:

Posted by bwheeeler

@HerbieBug said:

@evanbower said:

@killacam:

Posted by DonutFever

I read the first paragraph, and decided that to continue to read would only make me angry.