Peter Molyneux has said something

@ Peter M said: "I think that controllers are more and more - we have discovered the genres that work well are first-person shooters, and that's all. It's true, where have the real-time strategy games gone? The simulation games? Controllers are brilliant for doing first-person shooters. That's it."

"I think that controllers are more and more - we have discovered the genres that work well are first-person shooters, and that's all. It's true, where have the real-time strategy games gone? The simulation games? Controllers are brilliant for doing first-person shooters. That's it."

http://www.oxm.co.uk/40797/molyneux-i-dont-know-if-i-can-make-another-controller-game/

Not only is this insulting to pc users. Pc developers. It's also manages to be insulting to console developers as well!

The first problem here is that he implies first person shooters are brilliant on controllers. This is false, they are "serviceable". A mouse and keyboard is still far superior. Secondly, he askes "Where have the real time strategy titles gone". This is so obvious is doesn't even need answered. Also "total war" is still better than anything you have put out mate and continues to be the case. But it's pc. They are on the pc. Simulation games? Pc. Always been the pc.

Hell, lets be kind, even if we just take into account consoles... this generation (as far as strategy games go) is far, far superior compared to the last generation of consoles. Hell, the console had several specifically built console strategy games (even though the pc is the superior platform). Endwar, Halo Wars, Stormrise. The handheld devices are a breeding ground for interesting titles, many of of them strategy games (pc still better). In fact even now creative assembly is making a console centric aliens strategy game.

I really do not understand if this man is trying to troll users. I mean, fable (1) was decent. I'll give it that, I enjoyed it. It was no Baldurs Gate landmark type game... but I did enjoy it. But can we honestly say he has produced any amazing titles since he left the pc? No, it's sequel after sequel after sequel. Exactly what he has been complaining about. He is part of the problem in that regard (if you even consider it a problem).

Peter Molyneux has said alot of questionable stuff but come on.... come on..... Peter Molyneux seems to be an eccentric Willy Wonka type character. Except in Willy Wonkas factory, he made chocalate, not crap.

Perhaps his next game (like he claimed) really will change the world. Perhaps his perceived genius will rock the foundations of gaming and change everything? Forever. Or (this might, might just happen) it could be a letdown and maybe he will blame it on something, promising better next time?

His comments are outrageous.

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Edited by whyareyoucrouchingspock

@ Peter M said: "I think that controllers are more and more - we have discovered the genres that work well are first-person shooters, and that's all. It's true, where have the real-time strategy games gone? The simulation games? Controllers are brilliant for doing first-person shooters. That's it."

"I think that controllers are more and more - we have discovered the genres that work well are first-person shooters, and that's all. It's true, where have the real-time strategy games gone? The simulation games? Controllers are brilliant for doing first-person shooters. That's it."

http://www.oxm.co.uk/40797/molyneux-i-dont-know-if-i-can-make-another-controller-game/

Not only is this insulting to pc users. Pc developers. It's also manages to be insulting to console developers as well!

The first problem here is that he implies first person shooters are brilliant on controllers. This is false, they are "serviceable". A mouse and keyboard is still far superior. Secondly, he askes "Where have the real time strategy titles gone". This is so obvious is doesn't even need answered. Also "total war" is still better than anything you have put out mate and continues to be the case. But it's pc. They are on the pc. Simulation games? Pc. Always been the pc.

Hell, lets be kind, even if we just take into account consoles... this generation (as far as strategy games go) is far, far superior compared to the last generation of consoles. Hell, the console had several specifically built console strategy games (even though the pc is the superior platform). Endwar, Halo Wars, Stormrise. The handheld devices are a breeding ground for interesting titles, many of of them strategy games (pc still better). In fact even now creative assembly is making a console centric aliens strategy game.

I really do not understand if this man is trying to troll users. I mean, fable (1) was decent. I'll give it that, I enjoyed it. It was no Baldurs Gate landmark type game... but I did enjoy it. But can we honestly say he has produced any amazing titles since he left the pc? No, it's sequel after sequel after sequel. Exactly what he has been complaining about. He is part of the problem in that regard (if you even consider it a problem).

Peter Molyneux has said alot of questionable stuff but come on.... come on..... Peter Molyneux seems to be an eccentric Willy Wonka type character. Except in Willy Wonkas factory, he made chocalate, not crap.

Perhaps his next game (like he claimed) really will change the world. Perhaps his perceived genius will rock the foundations of gaming and change everything? Forever. Or (this might, might just happen) it could be a letdown and maybe he will blame it on something, promising better next time?

His comments are outrageous.

Posted by Still_I_Cry

I liked Fable II and Fable III :/

Posted by LordAndrew

Where have the RTSes that aren't Total War gone? There's one series actively releasing games in this genre. Great, if that one series is all the real time strategy you need. Is it? Are there other great RTSes recently that I'm not aware of?

Posted by Kidavenger

Sounds like he wants to make another Populous game, I hope he does, because that is the only game he's ever made that I thought was brillant.

Edited by whyareyoucrouchingspock

@LordAndrew said:

Where have the RTSes that aren't Total War gone?

The pc. I just explained that and gave you several console specific titles. I could list pc titles as well but it's so obvious it isn't actually worth the effort. Since you appear to not be a pc gamer at all. Or a very oblivious one.

Posted by wordfalling

@LordAndrew: Starcraft 2.

Posted by david3cm

@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:

His comments are outrageous.

You are just realizing this now?

Posted by Vegetable_Side_Dish

I don't mean to hijack your thread (I do) but there are some more glorious PR statements about Kinect controls from that very same site: 
 
Casey Hudson on Kinect controls in Mass Effect 3: 

  While you're busy with the controller, you can tell him to do something that you're not physically able to do, because your thumbs aren't free."


after it's over you pick up the controller, and it's a cold piece of plastic, and you think 'this is the old way, and what I was doing was the future'."


 "Part of the thing that makes it work is that it just works.

Posted by LordAndrew

You didn't give me any. You mentioned Total War. I acknowledged that and asked for more. You then claimed that you did name others and suggested I'm an idiot for not noticing.

Posted by LordAndrew

@wordfalling said:

@LordAndrew: Starcraft 2.

Thank you. I don't know how I managed to forget that. Got me there. :)

Posted by Animasta

of course you have to bring it back to total war... also you are the worst PC elitist I've ever seen on the internet.

Posted by Little_Socrates

He's asking why we built controllers for shooters. I'd actually argue that they're optimized for action games like Assassin's Creed or God of War followed closely by shooters. But they're not even really very good for fighting games or racing games, and strategy games and sims are garbage control-wise on the console.

You may not like Molyneux, but that comment was fine.

Posted by SlightConfuse

Total War 2 is awesome right guys, molyneux can suck it

Posted by wordfalling

@LordAndrew: Heh, though I agree with you that there is a dearth of RTS's these days but there are at least a couple that try to keep it alive.

In the broader discussion, Peter Molyneux talks out his ass a lot of the time, if you haven't noticed. Don't take him too seriously.

Edited by believer258

My question is how any developer, especially one as famous as Molyneux, doesn't know anything about fighting games or platformers or racing games, all three of which are best played with a controller?

Well, OK, another question: How does any developer not recognize that controllers aren't as good as M+K at first person shooters? OK, I'm a console gamer, but I've played with a mouse and keyboard enough to sometimes feel annoyed when the reticle goes a bit too far to the left or right. If that happens on PC, it's either a bad mouse or (more likely) user error.

@Animasta said:

of course you have to bring it back to total war... also you are the worst PC elitist I've ever seen on the internet.

This is true but here whyareyoucrouchingspock has a point. Molyneux's statement is somehow dumber than this guy's username.

Posted by Deusx

He may say a lot of stuff but I think he will get the hint once his "Best game ever made" is released on Kinect and sells less than 2000 copies. I hope he realizes some of his opinions are very flawed before he kills himself in the baththub because people can´t take "innovation".

Posted by _Horde

Wow, super offensive. I am super outraged.

Grr.

Posted by BrockNRolla

"I don't know if I can make another controller game."

I don't give a shit about whether or not Peter Molyneux likes controllers. All his recent games haven't been particularly good for reasons well beyond control. He should focus on making games that deliver on his flighty sensibilities instead of spouting half-baked ideas and his thoughts on "controllers."

I do no understand the reverence people have for this guy.

Posted by FourWude

RTS' with milo & kate as your general advisors. Make it happen Molyneux, the world needs it.

Ok hear me out this time, an RTS where you play as the peon workers gathering resources with milo & kate.

Posted by MariachiMacabre

@Animasta said:

of course you have to bring it back to total war... also you are the worst PC elitist I've ever seen on the internet.

It's really never ending. Can't stumble on a comment of his without it involving his outrage that a PC game was put on consoles and then comparing that game to Total War: Shogun 2. Hell, he seems to think it's apt to compare Shogun 2 to the Witcher 2. It's laughable.

Posted by matti00

@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:

@LordAndrew said:

Where have the RTSes that aren't Total War gone?

The pc. I just explained that and gave you several console specific titles. I could list pc titles as well but it's so obvious it isn't actually worth the effort. Since you appear to not be a pc gamer at all. Or a very oblivious one.

It's a shame none of us are true PC dudes like you. I believe what meant to say was tl;dr

Posted by AlexanderSheen

@FourWude said:

RTS' with milo & kate as your general advisors. Make it happen Molyneux, the world needs it.

Ok hear me out this time, an RTS where you play as the peon workers gathering resources with milo & kate.

Or you're a peon gathering stuff for Milo & Kate. It's like Milo & Kate are the players and you are controlled by them.

Posted by buzz_killington

@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:

Not only is this insulting to pc users. Pc developers. It's also manages to be insulting to console developers as well!

Oh, fuck off. I stopped reading right there.

Posted by Ravenlight

@AlexanderSheen said:

Or you're a peon gathering stuff for Milo & Kate. It's like Milo & Kate are the players and you are controlled by them.

That sounds like a Molyneux-ass Molyneux game concept if I've ever heard of one. Time for a gamejam!

Posted by SuperSambo

You sound like a man who is not in control of his emotions.

Posted by AlexanderSheen

@Ravenlight said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

Or you're a peon gathering stuff for Milo & Kate. It's like Milo & Kate are the players and you are controlled by them.

That sounds like a Molyneux-ass Molyneux game concept if I've ever heard of one. Time for a gamejam!

Actually, I'm Peter Molydeux.

Posted by whyareyoucrouchingspock

@SuperSambo said:

You sound like a man who is not in control of his emotions.

I am very passionate about video games and strive to be the best strategy player I can be as long as it's not Warcraft III, Starcraft II, CnC, Halo Wars, EndWar, Men Of War, Dota, dota 2, age of empire, HON, Company of heroes, sins of the solar empire, homeworld or world in conflict.

Posted by UnrealDP

@believer258 said:

My question is how any developer, especially one as famous as Molyneux, doesn't know anything about fighting games or platformers or racing games, all three of which are best played with a controller?

Well, OK, another question: How does any developer not recognize that controllers aren't as good as M+K at first person shooters? OK, I'm a console gamer, but I've played with a mouse and keyboard enough to sometimes feel annoyed when the reticle goes a bit too far to the left or right. If that happens on PC, it's either a bad mouse or (more likely) user error.

Yeah, his statement is totally bonkers and it's almost discredited by the fact that gamepad support exists and is used heavily in PC games that aren't first person shooters. Who wants to play Assassins Creed 2 without a gamepad? How about Arkham City? People do it, but most don't prefer it, right? In his defense, you can totally see where he's coming from and maybe he just articulated it very poorly. If you're looking at genre growth then it's obvious that first person shooters are getting most of the buzz and traffic as compared to other genres, and keyboards definitively are freeing compared to the limitations of a controller, but his statement's still pretty out there.

@Animasta said:

of course you have to bring it back to total war... also you are the worst PC elitist I've ever seen on the internet.

This is true but here whyareyoucrouchingspock has a point. Molyneux's statement is somehow dumber than this guy's username.

Ditto on all accounts.

Posted by BraveToaster

This looks like something Jay444111 would post.

Posted by FourWude

@AlexanderSheen said:

@Ravenlight said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

Or you're a peon gathering stuff for Milo & Kate. It's like Milo & Kate are the players and you are controlled by them.

That sounds like a Molyneux-ass Molyneux game concept if I've ever heard of one. Time for a gamejam!

Actually, I'm Peter Molydeux.

Fuck you, I'm Molydeux.

Posted by SuperSambo

@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:

@SuperSambo said:

You sound like a man who is not in control of his emotions.

I am very passionate about video games and strive to be the best strategy player I can be as long as it's not Warcraft III, Starcraft II, CnC, Halo Wars, EndWar, Men Of War, Dota, dota 2, age of empire, HON, Company of heroes, sins of the solar empire, homeworld or world in conflict.

I do not retract my previous statement.

Posted by believer258

@BraveToaster said:

This looks like something Jay444111 would post.

No, this guy has as far I'm concerned passed Jay444111 in terms of laughability with the following:

@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:

@SuperSambo said:

You sound like a man who is not in control of his emotions.

I am very passionate about video games and strive to be the best strategy player I can be as long as it's not Warcraft III, Starcraft II, CnC, Halo Wars, EndWar, Men Of War, Dota, dota 2, age of empire, HON, Company of heroes, sins of the solar empire, homeworld or world in conflict.

Posted by AlexanderSheen

@FourWude said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

@Ravenlight said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

Or you're a peon gathering stuff for Milo & Kate. It's like Milo & Kate are the players and you are controlled by them.

That sounds like a Molyneux-ass Molyneux game concept if I've ever heard of one. Time for a gamejam!

Actually, I'm Peter Molydeux.

Fuck you, I'm Molydeux.

Okay, if you're Molydeux then I'm Molyneux. How about that?

Posted by Commisar123

I agree with him, his argument is valid. Controllers should be able to handle all types of games.

Posted by FourWude

@AlexanderSheen said:

@FourWude said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

@Ravenlight said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

Or you're a peon gathering stuff for Milo & Kate. It's like Milo & Kate are the players and you are controlled by them.

That sounds like a Molyneux-ass Molyneux game concept if I've ever heard of one. Time for a gamejam!

Actually, I'm Peter Molydeux.

Fuck you, I'm Molydeux.

Okay, if you're Molydeux then I'm Molyneux. How about that?

Fine with me I get to be the sane one that makes some sense.

Posted by Video_Game_King

@Still_I_Cry said:

I liked Fable II and Fable III :/

Although apparently, I'm in the wrong, in this respect.

Edited by CookieMonster
Posted by AlexanderSheen

@FourWude said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

@FourWude said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

@Ravenlight said:

@AlexanderSheen said:

Or you're a peon gathering stuff for Milo & Kate. It's like Milo & Kate are the players and you are controlled by them.

That sounds like a Molyneux-ass Molyneux game concept if I've ever heard of one. Time for a gamejam!

Actually, I'm Peter Molydeux.

Fuck you, I'm Molydeux.

Okay, if you're Molydeux then I'm Molyneux. How about that?

Fine with me I get to be the sane one that makes some sense.

I'm like the Orson Welles of game designing. Decades from now, people will recognize and appreciate the genius in my work. You'll see!

Posted by SuperSambo

@Video_Game_King said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

I liked Fable II and Fable III :/

Although apparently, I'm in the wrong, in this respect.

Posted by MikeGosot
@BrockNRolla said:

"I don't know if I can make another controller game."

I don't give a shit about whether or not Peter Molyneux likes controllers. All his recent games haven't been particularly good for reasons well beyond control. He should focus on making games that deliver on his flighty sensibilities instead of spouting half-baked ideas and his thoughts on "controllers."

I do no understand the reverence people have for this guy.

Well, he's british, and seems like a cool guy. And Syndicate is cool.
Posted by forkboy

@whyareyoucrouchingspock: Stop being super-sensitive. He is clearly talking about console gaming. LOOK AT AND UNDERSTAND CONTEXT. Thanks

@BrockNRolla said:

"I don't know if I can make another controller game."

I don't give a shit about whether or not Peter Molyneux likes controllers. All his recent games haven't been particularly good for reasons well beyond control. He should focus on making games that deliver on his flighty sensibilities instead of spouting half-baked ideas and his thoughts on "controllers."

I do no understand the reverence people have for this guy.

Populous was pretty awesome. Ditto Dungeon Keeper & Theme Park. Don't remember if he was involved in Theme Hospital. And the ideas he has are always interesting, so I'll listen to what he has to say, but is games rarely live up to his talk so I don't buy them very often. In fact Black & White is probably the last Peter Molyneux game I owned.

Posted by Ramone

Molyneux is dumb. I'm sorry but he is, everyone claims he is this amazing visionary but what has he really done to push forward games development? Very little. Plus RTSs do still exist, Starcraft, Total War and even C&C is still alive in some capacity and on top of that there are plenty of other indie strategy games still being released.

Edited by TentPole

@forkboy said:

@whyareyoucrouchingspock: Stop being super-sensitive. He is clearly talking about console gaming. LOOK AT AND UNDERSTAND CONTEXT. Thanks

This.

And I agree with Molyneux in the context of what he was trying to say and not what you guys have twisted his words into.

Posted by S0ndor

I'm a PC gamer, also I just don't give a shit about some out of context comment by Petey-M.

Have a nice day.

Posted by AhmadMetallic

I'm afraid of RTS games. How much can I pay you to sit next to me as I try a Total War game for the first time? 

Posted by AltonBrown

@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:

@SuperSambo said:

You sound like a man who is not in control of his emotions.

I am very passionate about video games and strive to be the best strategy player I can be as long as it's not Warcraft III, Starcraft II, CnC, Halo Wars, EndWar, Men Of War, Dota, dota 2, age of empire, HON, Company of heroes, sins of the solar empire, homeworld or world in conflict.

Hahahahahahaha,

Posted by WalkerTR77

He better be making The Movies 2. Fuck I'm probably the only person who wants that.

Edited by whyareyoucrouchingspock

@forkboy said:

@whyareyoucrouchingspock: Stop being super-sensitive. He is clearly talking about console gaming. LOOK AT AND UNDERSTAND CONTEXT. Thanks

He specifically askes "where have the real-time strategy game gons? The simuation games?" Since these have always been prominent on the pc and practically nonexistent on consoles, the answer is obvious, with obvious reasons regardless of context. Also, I specifically mentioned how console games where increasing on this generation of platforms. Aside from the simplistic controls (that have always existed) consoles are by nature designed to be a accessible on the couch experience. It's partly why FPS became popular on the platform and why the genre has changes drastically to a more simplified accessible experience.

Also please do not boss people around in regards to emotion or type in caps while being wrong. It is not very chum like.

Edited by whyareyoucrouchingspock

@AhmadMetallic said:

I'm afraid of RTS games. How much can I pay you to sit next to me as I try a Total War game for the first time?

I wrote a blog specifically to help newcomers. It's multiplayer but it also applies to single player real-time. It is not finished yet. Given how little interest there is, I don't think I will bother finishing it.

http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/whyareyoucrouchingspock/beginners-tips-for-multiplayer-part-1/30-92558/

http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/whyareyoucrouchingspock/beginners-tips-for-multiplayer-part-2-unitsmoralretainers/30-92581/

Posted by CornBREDX

While you make a lot of valid points, Peter Molyneux always preaches bullshit. He's not called the carnival barker of the game industry for nothing. Just because he makes a new development company doesn't mean that will change. If anything, he's going to make more promises he wont keep.

I realize now (after the interview he did with Patrick) that he's actually not selling you the games he makes. He sells the idea of the game he wants to make- even though his ideas are to grand to actually make work in a video game (at least, it seems that way since they are never as good as he says they are and he also has this want to troll players for some reason calling it "emotional connection").

I still respect him and the games he has made (up until Fable 2) even though I wont ever buy a game he makes ever again, but ya... he's always full of shit. That's not particularly new =P

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