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#1 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3876 posts) -

@wrighteous86 said:

@hef said:

@legion_: Yeah lets just start a whole new movement that will totally get as much traction as this one. How is this not a perfect example of one rotten apple spoiling the bunch. Maybe read up a little bit past crazy assholes tweeting death threats.

Can the Tea Party turn things around? Did Occupy Wall Street? That's the way the world works. One bad apple does spoil the whole bunch. You're judged by the company you keep. And right now, this is your company.

And if you don't think a new movement under a new name that directly and officially and loudly combated this hatred and derided it wouldn't get attention, then I don't know what to tell you. Your odds are better doing that then trying to salvage what's now seen as a hate group.

If it makes you feel any better, to the outside world, this GamerGate crap makes ALL gamers look bad.

That's one way to spin it, I guess. She still did what she did.

Yep, she had all this coming. You win. Compelling argument.

#2 Edited by Wrighteous86 (3876 posts) -

@icantbestopped said:

@legion_: Oh, I see. So she still did what she did, and there's a guy who works at the same place as the accused that says she did it, she just didn't do it and receive good coverage from it, no matter how inappropriate it was. I'd still be skeptical of things the site had to say in regards to Zoe.

Um, except he didn't cover the game at all. So unless your theory is that this guy at Kotaku slept with Zoe Quinn, then went to his coworkers and said "I got a hot piece of ace, let's give her game a good review", and then their coworker was like "Shit, why not? I don't give a shit about my job" ...it was a lie.

Oh and his boss and coworkers then didn't throw him under the bus when it was revealed and rather stood by and defended him even when there was a lot of unwanted attention on the issue. Of course they didn't take the easy way out to preserve their "integrity", they just lied to save him because they are all that fucking dirty.

#3 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3876 posts) -

@hef said:

@legion_: Yeah lets just start a whole new movement that will totally get as much traction as this one. How is this not a perfect example of one rotten apple spoiling the bunch. Maybe read up a little bit past crazy assholes tweeting death threats.

Can the Tea Party turn things around? Did Occupy Wall Street? That's the way the world works. One bad apple does spoil the whole bunch. You're judged by the company you keep. And right now, this is your company.

And if you don't think a new movement under a new name that directly and officially and loudly combated this hatred and derided it wouldn't get attention, then I don't know what to tell you. Your odds are better doing that then trying to salvage what's now seen as a hate group.

If it makes you feel any better, to the outside world, this GamerGate crap makes ALL gamers look bad.

#4 Edited by Wrighteous86 (3876 posts) -

@legion_ said:
@hef said:

This whole situation as turned into an occupy wallstreet situation where a ton of people are just co-oping the term gamergate for whatever they feel is necessary.

Oh man, you're so wrong. Gamergate started out as a excuse to hate women. It started out by detailing the sexual exploits and romantic life of a female game developer. Don't you see how that's wrong? Those co-oping the term are the guys who don't hate women, and the guys who think Gamergate stands for something more than hating women. It really doesn't.

I've tried to say this a million times, anything you ever say will never be taken seriously if you identify yourself with the Gamergate movement. It's toxic. It's poisoning the well. If you want to discuss corruption in video game journalism, distance yourself from Gamergate, create a new movement, or just discuss as a normal human being who doesn't need to identify with a whole group just to voice a opinion.

Exactly, it's more of a Tea Party situation. Started out as an excuse for hatred and to air frustration, under the guise of more nobler intentions. Some Republicans with common sense co-opted the term for a bit.

And then the Tea Party couldn't hide its venom anymore, and most of the reasonable Republicans (citizens, not politicians) abandoned it, because the earth was salted. And now they are adrift without a home to call their own while the Tea Party becomes increasingly bitter and hateful and reactionary and more and more irrelevant with only the faintest grip on reality. That is the focus of the Tea Party now. Anti-government, anti-liberal, anti-women, anti-gay, anti-minority.

GamerGate is the Tea Party. If you are in GamerGate for the intentions of fixing games journalism, and not hatred at women, etc, get out now and do something productive for your cause. You will achieve nothing if you remained chained down by these nutbags.

#5 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3876 posts) -

@milkman said:

Seeing the amount of "THIS SHOULDN'T BE ON GIANT BOMB" posts in this thread, I really, really hope that they talked about this when they recorded the Bombcast today. I think some people need a reminder that they don't decide what this site is and isn't.

Yeah, apparently we are allowed to decide now? If so, let's quit all DOTA/Dark Souls/Indie Game/PC videos, because I don't like those games.

Oh, I don't watch wrestling or F1, those podcasts shouldn't be on this site either.

#6 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3876 posts) -

@bigpillow: Right threats of physical and sexual violence don't hurt anybody. Having someone's home address published publicly on the Internet isn't dangerous, especially for someone in the public eye that has a movement against her and her ilk. What's the harm? Psychological well being? What's that? Stalkers never attempt to contact someone before they attack, except for all the ones that do. Typical Internet overreaction. Don't get angry until someone dies or gets raped!

#8 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3876 posts) -

@sergio said:

@wrighteous86 said:

@gamerpigeon said:

Want this to stop Patrick? Then don't talk about it. These articles just gives those causing this crap to happen satisfaction. It's pointless.

Untrue. Not talking about it allows it to continue. Nothing has ever changed from people ignoring injustice.

The truth is talking about it and not talking about it often has the same results for those currently doing the harassment and threats: nothing.

What talking about it might do is possibly discourage others from harassing and making threats by humanizing the victims of these attacks. While I don't agree with blindly denouncing every person in GG as some in this thread have done, I do think it's something that should be talked about, as long as it has the consent of the victim and the authorities looking into the matter.

That was the point I was attempting to make. Thanks for elaborating!

#9 Edited by Wrighteous86 (3876 posts) -

@milkman said:

@wrighteous86: You're right, of course. But at the same time, it would much easier to dispel this idea that Patrick is the only one who cares about this stuff if someone else on the site actually said something. I don't envy being in Jeff's or anyone else's position here but Patrick is really sticking his neck out writing this article. It would be nice to see him get some back up publicly.

I agree completely, but maybe they feel they don't have anything worthwhile to say about it. That's pure speculation. I don't know, of course. It's hard to judge because, as you said, it's an unenviable position. But aside from them putting up a "Sexism 101 Quick Look", I'm not sure what more they can do without it feeling forced. At this point I wish they would do so just to silence the people that STILL think they have GB's backing despite Jeff's Letter from the Editor a few months back.

#10 Edited by Wrighteous86 (3876 posts) -

@mento said:

@alboy:

We haven't yet extended that rule to posts which purport that Jeff and co. don't agree with Patrick's perspective to some extent, considering they allow him to write and publish it on the front page of their website. Equally so the assumption that Giant Bomb isn't about "these sorts of articles". Not your call whatsoever.

Seriously, this cannot be said enough. They have hired Patrick. They have kept him on for years. They allow him to publish this work. They allow it on their front page. It has been done multiple times. They have all said that they appreciate what he does for the site and back up everything he writes.

I don't see how that isn't approval of his perspective. Jeff is Patrick's superior on the site. If he didn't approve of Patrick's work, he would have fired him or forced him to stop by now. Instead, he allowed Patrick to stay on the site and work remotely from Chicago which has a small (but growing) gaming industry, aside from Jellyvision, Netherrealm, and Iron Galaxy. That sure would have been an easy time to remove his voice if they didn't approve of it, wouldn't it have been?