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@humanity said:

IF possible don't paint the picture for the rest of the internet that typical Americans somehow don't try tea or that we don't even know what electric tea kettles are. I mean granted, we've all had different upbringings, but on behalf of all Americans let me tell you fine folk out there - that is not the norm, we know what tea is and we understand tea kettle technology has come a ways since putting a black hunk of metal over a burning fire. Some of our.. inner country brethren .. may keep to themselves but let me assure you, we are a civilized nation.

Seriously, what the fuck. I was not speaking for America. I assumed that they weren't American because tea consumption is much more common in other countries and I don't personally believe many Americans would find it bizarre if another American expressed that they had never consumed black tea. I stated that I have tried tea. I stated that if you include all forms of tea, most Americans have consumed tea. I agreed that tea is readily available. I didn't even say it was STRANGE for an American to drink tea. Just that black tea (non-iced) is not one of our most popular drinks. People tend for other options. I did not speak on behalf of all Americans, I spoke as an American. Period. Maybe next time I shouldn't self-identify? Or I should have phrased "with normal tastes" differently when all I meant was that I am not finicky like Dan and Jeff? The electric kettle was also a personal anecdote that I did not attribute to anyone but myself.

And yes, Chicago is inner country, and despite being the 3rd largest city in the country is so uncivilized and unworldly. I'm a hick that knows nothing of the world, despite you personally knowing that I've travelled to many other countries even in the last few years.

Guys, you all know what I meant. Can you all just let it go? I can't tell if some of you are just playing along with this or there really is some outrage over some random statement made on a gaming forum on the internet about tea consumption in the US. This is just so bizarre.

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@zelyre said:

@wrighteous86:

It's pretty ethnocentric to say "most Americans have never had black tea."

Yep now I'm a borderline racist. Feel free to look at the stats I posted above that say over 50% of Americans drink tea but that 85% of that is iced tea.

Jesus guys, I made a blanket statement on tea consumption in a thread to say that I didn't think it was that uncommon for an American citizen to not have consumed plain black tea. And to an extent, the stats bear out my very specific, very off-the-top-of-my head statement about something I thought was relatively innocuous and unimportant.

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@kcin: Here you go man, some facts for you from the Tea Association of the USA.

On any given day, over one half of the American population drinks tea. On a regional basis, the South and Northeast have the greatest concentration of tea drinkers.

Approximately 85% of tea consumed in America is iced.

Over half of the country drinks tea (they are referring to all forms of tea).

However, 85% of the tea consumed in America is iced. Since I specifically did not include iced tea in my statement, that means only 15% of the tea in the US is not iced, and not all of that is black. And that is for "over 50% of the country". So I think my statement that the majority of Americans do not commonly drink black tea is a safe one.

The Wikipedia page for "American tea culture" specifically points out equating drinking tea in the US to grandmothers. They say that it is inaccurate, but I was speaking to the stereotype, not the actual fact.

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@kcin said:

@wrighteous86: Iced tea is black tea, it's just cold. You also said that tea is "for the most part...seen as something old women drink". That's flat-out untrue. You spoke on behalf of America, and declared yourself "an American with normal tastes". It'd probably be better to only speak on behalf of yourself, and maybe your region of America. It's pretty big.

I don't know anyone who thinks tea is strange, and I don't know anyone who hasn't had hot black tea before, let alone any other variety of tea. Never having drank tea in one's entire life, as an American, is unusual. It's not damnable or reprehensible, it's just unusual, because tea is not uncommon, and presented to Americans just about anywhere.

Alright dude, take it easy.

This is a forum, I gave my opinion. I did not speak on behalf of America, but gave my experience, and no, I do not know many people that drink black tea in the specific way that I implied, in a tea cup, boiled, possibly with milk and sugar. That is an old woman stereotype in my experience, old women having tea time or little girls having imaginary tea parties. I specifically took out things like iced tea and other versions of tea in my statement.

I also was not speaking as "Joe America". I did not say I have normal American tastes, I said I was an American with normal tastes, in that, unlike Jeff and Dan, I have eaten mayonnaise and ketchup. I am not a "finicky eater".

I also didn't say that drinking tea was strange, just that it was not the norm. MOST PEOPLE IN AMERICA DO NOT REGULARLY DRINK PLAIN BLACK TEA when compared to other countries where tea is very common with every meal and between meals. That was my point. I do not think this is a controversial statement.

I never said damnable or reprehensible, I said not as common as in other countries, and not the majority. I did not say unavailable, I said not usually consumed with as much regularity as other drinks.

Maybe you should re-evaluate why you're getting so upset about this. Next time I will try to include statistics and facts in my generalization to defend my belief that it is not that odd for Dan Ryckert to not have consumed black tea to the same extent that it is odd that he has not eaten mayonnaise.

And others in this thread seem to agree.

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@asurastrike said:

Starbucks Chai Tea is ridiculously popular in the Bay Area. Also, every Asian restaurant gives you tea before you order. (But Dan has probably never had Asian food)

@kcin said:

Maybe this is true of the middle of America, as I have never been there, but it is not true of its coasts by a longshot. Tea is as common as coffee, and is consumed by all age groups. McDonalds sells it. It's on tap on soda fountains. Starbucks has an extensive line of teas. Arizona Iced Tea (the tall can with the ikat design around the rim) was a staple of the late 90's. An American who hasn't drank tea in their entire life is, indeed, a strange thing. I think you are speaking on behalf of yourself more than anyone else.

I specifically pointed out that I was talking about plain tea, not iced tea or green tea or anything. Just plain black tea. Then again, I haven't listened to the podcast yet, so if they were talking about ANY manner of tea, of course that's a different story.

But I still don't think black tea is "common" anywhere in America, and I'm well traveled on both coasts. Plenty of people have had black tea in the US, but it is not absurd to think an American has not consumed black tea, whereas it would be to say that of a Brit. That was my only point. Coffee is much more commonplace.

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I almost always want the "full experience" and never wind up using my NG+, but I admit that it's really stupid.

Same reason I usually don't wear "alternate costumes" and stuff, because their "canon" outfit is their default one.

..I'm a bit crazy.

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@quantris said:

I'll join you on that train. Never had tea?!?!?!? I mean, it would be one thing to not like tea, but holy crap.

The Food talk on the podcast drives me neurotic. Like, I feel we as a community need a food intervention for Dan. I just like what the fuck? Who hasn't tried TEA of all things? Every week he unveils a new food sin that I just can't seem to comprehend in my brain.

I'm going to assume neither of you are American, but tea is not really all that common here (unless you include iced tea, green tea, etc). Sure, I'd say a decent number of people have had tea before, but it's far from "normal". For the most part it's seen as something old women drink.

I'm an American with normal tastes. I like to try new things and explore foods etc (just had some gator tail actually). The first time I had tea was visiting my British girlfriend in the UK at the age of 25. And that was my second trip to the UK in my life, and I only drank it to "fully immerse myself in the culture". It's alright, but I only drink it when it's there. I'd never make it for myself. When she came to visit me that summer, I had to go out and buy an electric kettle for her, and was confused because I had never used or seen one before (I only envisioned the old school teapots on a stove).

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@theblue said:

@wrighteous86: Oh I'm not complaining that people think that. I said in my very first post here that I understand why that is the case and why those words are attached to this franchise. I just think that when people say that the story is convoluted, they tend to mean that they don't understand the story because they didn't bother with any of the side games, not that the story isn't told in a straightforward A to B manner. So, you're right, I guess semantics was the argument.

I didn't really argue about it being pretentious though. That was someone else. I completely understand why people see these games as pretentious. I just personally didn't find the story to be as off-putting. I came to the series later after 2 came out so I sort of knew that it wasn't all "Happy Disney fun time with Final Fantasy characters" so it didn't bother me as much.

And I was merely commenting that literally everyone who complains about this game uses the phrase "up its own ass". I mean, just look at this thread.

Haha fair point. Still, I see what you like about the series. I was once a fan too. I just can't be bothered to keep up anymore. I'm happy these games are being made, and I'm curious and looking forward to seeing how KH3 turns out too.

#9 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3824 posts) -

Let me name three things I don't like about Kingdom Hearts: Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Sora.

:(

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@theblue said:

@wrighteous86: You seem to be missing, or ignoring, the point I'm trying to make. But yeah, okay. By the exact wording of the second definition of the word "convoluted", the story of Kingdom Hearts is convoluted. Can we stop arguing over semantics now?

That was what the entire argument was about. You complained that people called the games convoluted and pretentious. I'm sorry you took that to mean something else, but most of the people making complaints in this thread backed up these statements in exactly the ways my definitions describe. Just because it makes sense if you pay close attention and are willing to jump through the series' hoops doesn't invalidate the complaint.

The stories aren't self-contained, they jump around between multiple points in time, with multiple characters and multiple versions of characters, and they were previously told on multiple systems, and each piece of the puzzle was required to understand the rest. That's inefficient storytelling and people complained when Halo did something similar. If people were saying the plot was nonsensical, arguably you'd have a point. But then again, maybe so would they.

It's pretentious because most people like the first game for its simple storytelling and because they wanted to see multiple Disney and Square worlds intersect and interact. The sequels went on to become more complicated and focus on original characters, which people found pretentious.

It's fine to disagree, but fans of the franchise tend to get really defensive over what are pretty reasonable complaints. I started out as a fan too. The reasons above made me lose interest. And mine is a pretty common story.