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#2 Posted by XChairmanDrekX (280 posts) -

Well Time Warner can't get any worse, so I say bring this on.

#3 Posted by XChairmanDrekX (280 posts) -

Even if grinding is a player behavior, what's wrong with having that type of thing in the wiki?

#4 Posted by XChairmanDrekX (280 posts) -
@johnham said:

@xchairmandrekx: Fair enough. I don't have a problem clarifying, though I could do without people defaulting to calling me racist :P

Sorry about that, I didn't quite mean to call you yourself a racist, just that what you were saying did sound as such. However, I understand now what you were trying to get across.

#5 Posted by XChairmanDrekX (280 posts) -
@johnham said:

@xchairmandrekx said:
@johnham said:

@zevvion said:

@johnham said:
@whatisdelicious said:

@johnham said:

@w1n5t0n: What about a black person providing perspective on that race's portrayal in GTA V via Franklin / Lamar. Is it accurate? Is it illuminating? What would you change about the portrayal, if it were up to you?

But honestly, your characterization of my opinion as a "warped crusade" really makes it clear that you're not looking for me to actually answer your questions.

What are you talking about?

Seriously, please stop assuming all white people are alike and all black people are alike. How is a black guy going to know if the portrayal of Franklin and Lamar is accurate unless he grew up on the fucking streets?

This is a legitimately racist viewpoint you're expressing here.

A black person would have an inherently more valuable perspective on how a black person is characterized in a video game.

A doctor would have an inherently more valuable perspective on how a complicated surgery is represented in a video game.

It's not a racist statement, but thanks anyway.

That is not even close to the same thing. A doctor went to school to get a medical degree. Giving him actual knowledge about surgery. A black person isn't by definition grown up on the streets as Franklin and Lamar were. Any person growing up around people akin to Franklin and Lamar would have inherently more valuable perspective on that stuff than the mere fact of being black. Yes, you are being totally racist, even if unintentionally.

"Any person growing up around people akin to Franklin and Lamar would have inherently more valuable perspective on that stuff than the mere fact of being black."

I agree with this; a person who experienced the exact same things as those characters would have an even better perspective than someone who is "merely" black.

That doesn't change the fact that a black person living in the US automatically has some small degree of shared (virtual) experience with those characters and is thus better suited to commentary than a white person would be, assuming everything else is equal.

But before everyone gets hung up on calling me a racist, I want to bring this back around to the original source of the comment; does anyone here really think that there's literally zero unique perspective on games that a minority could bring to the table? Seriously?

Still sounding pretty racist there. You are saying that for example, given two identical upper class people, one black and white, the black person would just happen to have a better perspective about living in the conditions that Franklin and Lamar lived in, simply due to their race? You are literally making assumptions about people based on the color of their skin. That's text-book racism. Even if you don't realize it.

The hypothetical black person in your example would not have better perspective on the "conditions that Franklin and Lamar lived in" because that topic is specifically related to location and socio-economic status (things that are also tied up in race, but we can put that aside). But that same black person WOULD have better perspective on the ways that they are treated, and portrayed in the media, as a function of their skin color, which is something that is reflected in those characters. Therefore they would probably be more-qualified to provide that perspective.

I am not saying all black people know more about being poor.

I am not saying all black people know more about being in a gang, or street culture generally.

I AM saying that black people inherently have a different perspective on how black people are treated and perceived in our society. On what it IS to be black in a modern US context. It's so obvious that it shouldn't even need to be stated.

Apparently I misunderstood. That makes more sense. Although you didn't quite make as obvious as your claiming. There were other people confused by what you were saying as well.

#6 Posted by XChairmanDrekX (280 posts) -
@johnham said:

@zevvion said:

@johnham said:
@whatisdelicious said:

@johnham said:

@w1n5t0n: What about a black person providing perspective on that race's portrayal in GTA V via Franklin / Lamar. Is it accurate? Is it illuminating? What would you change about the portrayal, if it were up to you?

But honestly, your characterization of my opinion as a "warped crusade" really makes it clear that you're not looking for me to actually answer your questions.

What are you talking about?

Seriously, please stop assuming all white people are alike and all black people are alike. How is a black guy going to know if the portrayal of Franklin and Lamar is accurate unless he grew up on the fucking streets?

This is a legitimately racist viewpoint you're expressing here.

A black person would have an inherently more valuable perspective on how a black person is characterized in a video game.

A doctor would have an inherently more valuable perspective on how a complicated surgery is represented in a video game.

It's not a racist statement, but thanks anyway.

That is not even close to the same thing. A doctor went to school to get a medical degree. Giving him actual knowledge about surgery. A black person isn't by definition grown up on the streets as Franklin and Lamar were. Any person growing up around people akin to Franklin and Lamar would have inherently more valuable perspective on that stuff than the mere fact of being black. Yes, you are being totally racist, even if unintentionally.

"Any person growing up around people akin to Franklin and Lamar would have inherently more valuable perspective on that stuff than the mere fact of being black."

I agree with this; a person who experienced the exact same things as those characters would have an even better perspective than someone who is "merely" black.

That doesn't change the fact that a black person living in the US automatically has some small degree of shared (virtual) experience with those characters and is thus better suited to commentary than a white person would be, assuming everything else is equal.

But before everyone gets hung up on calling me a racist, I want to bring this back around to the original source of the comment; does anyone here really think that there's literally zero unique perspective on games that a minority could bring to the table? Seriously?

Still sounding pretty racist there. You are saying that for example, given two identical upper class people, one black and white, the black person would just happen to have a better perspective about living in the conditions that Franklin and Lamar lived in, simply due to their race? You are literally making assumptions about people based on the color of their skin. That's text-book racism. Even if you don't realize it.

#7 Edited by XChairmanDrekX (280 posts) -

I have to log off for the evening but I wanted to commend @rorie for stating a position on this issue and doing what he can to keep things nice around here. Between him and @patrickklepek, whose position on these issues is unimpeachable, I feel like the site is moving in the right direction. Still. Everybody knows that if this site is a family then Jeff is the Dad and things are at a point here where Dad needs to step in and throw down, one way or the other. His continued silence on issues like this is not helping this community.

You are really sounding like you'd nothing more than to turn these discussions into echo-chambers. Calling Patrick's stance on these issues "Unimpeachable" is quite the statement. Patrick has clearly made mistakes in the past, he even apologized for the whole "Threes" fiasco when he called out the developer of 2048. There are extremists on both sides, as well as people making level-headed arguments on both sides. The people insulting others on twitter and here on the fourms who are using racist, or sexist slurs are fucking awful, no doubt but that does not give one the excuse to silence rational debate entirely.

#8 Posted by XChairmanDrekX (280 posts) -

Thank you for this Rorie.

Again, very much looking forward to what Dan, and Jason bring to table!

#9 Edited by XChairmanDrekX (280 posts) -
@victorboris1 said:

@monkeyman04 said:

@wolfgame said:

Are you serious? You people hijack this topic welcoming two new staff, how disgraceful.

I'm with you. There is a place to have this kind of debate, but this thread is not the place.

The moderators seem to be fine with it.

There was another thread in which I remember was made for discussing this, why don't you go there? This shit is embarrassing, as this was intended as a thread to welcome the new hires.

#10 Edited by XChairmanDrekX (280 posts) -
@xchairmandrekx said:

If you aren't pissed about this, or worse are fucking defending it, seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?

This is flat out bullshit on the highest level. An example of the slimiest sort of business practice. Purposely downgrading a game, significantly, even its performance, just so a another version of the game sells better? Don't even try to spin it that this was an accident or something like that, the code that was found makes it very obvious what was done here.

Ubisoft has a lot to answer for here.

Stop trying to spin this as a pro console conspiracy. Ubisoft has, like they have done countless times in the past, put the PC at the bottom of the priority list for the usual reasons publishers often do that. The PC usually gets shafted in the first half of a console generation, this is nothing new. They had some effects they could run on PCs but didn't have time to optimize for consoles or test properly. They chose to focus on old consoles and new consoles before implementing those extra visual effects.

You can yell on internet forums all you like but publishers listen to 2 things when it comes to allocating ressources: revenue and metacritic scores. You can't talk with your wallet because they will interpret a dip in sales as a ''the platform is not worth the effort'' and a rise as a ''yes, we're allocating enough ressources''. Don't worry though, PC versions will be good in 4-5 years when they'll have to send those to reviewers instead of the PS4 version.

Business realities, don't try to change them, just make your purchasing decisions accordingly.

There could be truth in what your saying. The FoV is pretty fucked in the mod, but I have a feeling that can be somewhat easily fixed. Maybe they didn't have enough time to test it, but videos and reports say it looks and runs better, leaving me to be pretty damn skeptical.

Either way, this just feels pretty shitty.