4 things that will make Forza 4 great.

This week, I finally got round to finishing off Forza 3 and getting my S Rank. After 145 hours of driving, 86 hours spent in menus and 31 hours editing designs, I think it's safe to say I've had my moneys worth with this peach of a racer. While I was happy to get my 1000, part of me was sad. Then I remembered that Forza 4 is coming out later this year and now, I'm really excited about what might be on the way. 
 
Whatever Forza 4 will have in it, I will preorder the limited edition. That's just what I do. But, if they want to justify their 3rd game in 4 years to the video game buying public, then they will need to step it up again, probably more than they did in the last game. There can't be much more room for graphical improvements on the 360 in the autumn of it's life, so the things that will make Forza 4 great need to be content related. Of course, we expect new cars and tracks, but what I really want to see is the following 4 things. 
 

  • Off Road racing
  • Night racing
  • Weather effects.
  • More than 8 cars on track

Now, official information about Forza 4 is slim, pretty much all of it comes from this teaser trailer: 
     
When this came out I was super excited being the massive fanboy I am, but unlike a lot of teaser trailers this actually has some valuable information in it. Firstly, it shows night/day changing. This ticks off one of the requirements, brilliant. We also see some off road racing, again, brilliant. Two of my four done, almost dead certs that both will be in the game. I don't really have much to say, Turn 10 have delivered consistently brilliant racing games and when they show things like this you know if anyone can incorporate these things well it will be them. 
 
I have found nothing to suggest there will be Weather effects, yet. I'm not holding my breath, it is a very big thing to add and takes a lot of work. The only glimmer of hope I can see is the flash of a car sliding on a road in the snow in the teaser, but I'm not taking anything for granted. What makes me think this might happen is that GT5 put it in there, and this might be the sort of thing you really want to say you can do. 
 
I am pretty proud of my Sherlock Holmes on the last one, because I Sherlock Holmesed that shit and because it's a really cool thing I think would make the game way better. Here is a video of the Kinect demo Turn 10 did at E3 last year: 
Now, in the first demo you can clearly see there are many cars on track at once. I can't find the video where this quote comes from exactly, but whilst playing this demo a journo mentioned the more cars on track and Dan Greenawalt, the awkward designer in the video, talks about their new tech which allows them to do this. I know the cars in the demo aren't really racing, but the fact they had this running at 60FPS last E3 is very promising and I'm sure there will be more than 8 cars on track at once in Forza 4. 
 
Also not the new UI style of the Kinect demo, I would expect that's something like Forza 4 will end up looking. 
 
So there you go, 4 things that will make Forza 4 great, all are very attainable wishes and 3 of which I believe are all but certainly going to be in the final game. I can't put any degree of certainty into the Weather, but I would really like to see that in the game. I'm getting hyped, a long 7 or so months ahead!
14 Comments
15 Comments
Posted by zudthespud

This week, I finally got round to finishing off Forza 3 and getting my S Rank. After 145 hours of driving, 86 hours spent in menus and 31 hours editing designs, I think it's safe to say I've had my moneys worth with this peach of a racer. While I was happy to get my 1000, part of me was sad. Then I remembered that Forza 4 is coming out later this year and now, I'm really excited about what might be on the way. 
 
Whatever Forza 4 will have in it, I will preorder the limited edition. That's just what I do. But, if they want to justify their 3rd game in 4 years to the video game buying public, then they will need to step it up again, probably more than they did in the last game. There can't be much more room for graphical improvements on the 360 in the autumn of it's life, so the things that will make Forza 4 great need to be content related. Of course, we expect new cars and tracks, but what I really want to see is the following 4 things. 
 

  • Off Road racing
  • Night racing
  • Weather effects.
  • More than 8 cars on track

Now, official information about Forza 4 is slim, pretty much all of it comes from this teaser trailer: 
     
When this came out I was super excited being the massive fanboy I am, but unlike a lot of teaser trailers this actually has some valuable information in it. Firstly, it shows night/day changing. This ticks off one of the requirements, brilliant. We also see some off road racing, again, brilliant. Two of my four done, almost dead certs that both will be in the game. I don't really have much to say, Turn 10 have delivered consistently brilliant racing games and when they show things like this you know if anyone can incorporate these things well it will be them. 
 
I have found nothing to suggest there will be Weather effects, yet. I'm not holding my breath, it is a very big thing to add and takes a lot of work. The only glimmer of hope I can see is the flash of a car sliding on a road in the snow in the teaser, but I'm not taking anything for granted. What makes me think this might happen is that GT5 put it in there, and this might be the sort of thing you really want to say you can do. 
 
I am pretty proud of my Sherlock Holmes on the last one, because I Sherlock Holmesed that shit and because it's a really cool thing I think would make the game way better. Here is a video of the Kinect demo Turn 10 did at E3 last year: 
Now, in the first demo you can clearly see there are many cars on track at once. I can't find the video where this quote comes from exactly, but whilst playing this demo a journo mentioned the more cars on track and Dan Greenawalt, the awkward designer in the video, talks about their new tech which allows them to do this. I know the cars in the demo aren't really racing, but the fact they had this running at 60FPS last E3 is very promising and I'm sure there will be more than 8 cars on track at once in Forza 4. 
 
Also not the new UI style of the Kinect demo, I would expect that's something like Forza 4 will end up looking. 
 
So there you go, 4 things that will make Forza 4 great, all are very attainable wishes and 3 of which I believe are all but certainly going to be in the final game. I can't put any degree of certainty into the Weather, but I would really like to see that in the game. I'm getting hyped, a long 7 or so months ahead!
Posted by JJWeatherman

Always put certainty into the Weather. Always. 
 
Good stuff though. I'm lookin' forward to F4 as well. I too just got my S-rank just a few weeks ago. Man, that took forever. I'm not even sure if you can use A.I. drivers in 3, but I raced every race myself. Can't wait to get back into it when 4 is released.

Posted by zudthespud
@JJWeatherman: Wow, you raced every one yourself? That's hardcore. I prolly did about 15% of the career with hired drivers.
Posted by Falconer

As everyone else from Race Night will say, more than 8 people online is first and foremost. I think I speak for all of them when I say we will all be at least slightly disappointed if it's still only eight players. 
 
A.I. that doesn't suck is always high on my personal list, but I should just stop hoping at this point... *sigh*

Posted by Soap

I played so much of 3, I might try and get the S-Rank for it before 4 comes out as I reckon I'm only another 10 hours or so away.

Posted by zudthespud
@ShaggyChu: I would like another tier of difficulty, I've found recently that I have been dominating the Hard AI
Posted by xyzygy

I think that Kinect enabled car-viewing mode looks awesome. Walking around the car, checking out its insides, and it worked so well when they showed it at E3 (i think it was e3)

Online
Posted by Falconer
@zudthespud: That difficulty is really just based upon speed and acceleration though. I want real AI who is actually aware of where you are and acts accordingly, not cars on a track.
Posted by Sin4profit

I'd like a less cumbersome graphics editor. Maybe even an external PC based one that lets you import decals back into Forza 4. Like the system Skate 3 has but without the sucking real hard.

Posted by zudthespud
@ShaggyChu: the AI in Forza isn't that bad, they give you space and know where they can make moves which is more than some other simulators, especially on the PC can say.
Posted by Falconer
@zudthespud: I believe I have the opposite experience, but I guess that's just me.
Posted by FancySoapsMan

I should play some more Forza.
 
I don't know anything about cars but I love FMS3.

Posted by Silock
Motion Sensory driving simulation? Your asking for trouble. 
Posted by pweidman

More real world tracks for me.  Weather maybe and night I guess for endurance stuff.  Less of the fictional courses and more Watkins Glen, Golden International, Homestead, Daytona, Salt Lake, etc.  Maybe more performance integrated options w/sponsor paint, and a new open wheel class. Nice to dream, but in reality I bet F4 will be more about subtle upgrades and refinements.  And leave the offroad to DiRT 3 :).
Edited by Bouke

Please no off road racing in Forza 4!! Just look at dirt / snow racing in GT5.... (it sucks!)


And 16 cars on track is confirmed in the leaked footage so thats happening!