I was looking at some Penn and Teller stuff on youtube and came across a vid of Penn talking about Rapelay.

To be honest, I haven't really been interested in what he has to say since I watched an episode of "Bullshit" where they basically said it was cool for big corporations like Nike to run sweatshops in third world countries because they paid them more than they would have gotten elsewhere. That's great, except they still weren't paying them enough to live off of. They should be paying them what they deserve, not slightly more than the unthinkably low wages they were earning before.

Omg, i love Penn and Teller. Saw them on redeye once, cool dudes.

Seems he has a small amount of facts wrong about the game and the fact that he said "rape games" implies he believes there's more than one revolving around rape, which as far as I'm aware, there isn't. Besides that, the man's one of my heroes. I pretty much can say that I agree with him on this.

I wouldn't buy this myself, and I really don't think anyone else should, but I do not believe I have the right to restrict anyone else from playing any sort of game (minus ESRB accountabilities). We've got plenty of murder simulators like Man Hunt 2, Super Columbine Massacre!, and Postal, and as sick as they might be, there's no reason they should not be made. They make people feel uncomfortable, disgusted, and all sorts of negative feelings, like, I don't know, Saw, Requiem for a Dream, a Clockwork Orange, Bandit Queen, United 93, Baby Doll, JFK, Natural Born Killers, The Passion of the Christ, and so much more.

They all stir up controversy. They should. What's life without some controversy to stir the mind about?

In any case, Japan decided to ban the sale of rape games. What I find funny about the whole thing is they're declaring it banned three years after release. Way to go, outrage!

Okay, I heard the first part in which he says it is fantasy and faked. Well that's horseshit, because it promotes this kind of behaviour. It doesn't matter if it is virtual, it promotes this kind of behaviour, despite the fact that it is virtual. Horseshit, the idea that is presented doesn't work when deviant behaviour has its own aura of acceptance.

But the real bullshit thing he said was detected when he said "Thought Crime". I'm sorry, but that's the same argument used against hate crime legislation. Something people like Penn don't understand is that "thought crime" like this can end up with a dead body hanging from a fence. The argument is not only stupid, but downright dangerous.

He's boring and basically said the exact same shit that dozens of other people have said in these forums a bajillion times already.

So...old news?

Also, shouldn't this be in the epic RapeLay forums?

Also also...anyone have the release date for RapeLay Party yet?

lol

I agree with this man.

Game is a game. Rape, Murder, whatever its all fantasy. Love how people are uptight about drawn things.

I love this game, it's amazing.

I agree, just because we don't round up and jail/execute all the freaks and geeks who enjoy this stuff DOESN'T mean we support their sick beliefs. It is only a matter of caution, to not give the power to a government to kill people for being perverse at a time when we still haven't convinced said government that being in love with someone of the same sex isn't perverse. No one would force you to be friends with such people.

It did make me wonder how we can say for sure that anyone who would play this game must be a real life predator.  That they are using the game to "test out" and get the "child rape experience." Is that so far from the reason normal people play shooting games, to get the rush of killing your asshole boss and ex-wife without really doing it, and knowing you would never really do it? What is that satisfactory feeling we get from successfully mowing down people in Grand Theft Auto? Perhaps we should get in touch with our anger, acknowledge that playing violent war games says something about our stress. And find ways besides acting it out in the games to relieve it. But that becomes an issue of its own.

 My conclusions are that the argument that it can influence you to mimic the behaviors in real life are invalid, except maybe in the rare case that a young child was literally raised by this game like that feral girl raised in a closet in Russia that behaves like she is one of her cats. But these cartoons would never be bought by a child under their own will, an uncle might show it to them, but then there is a bigger issue than the game itself to worry about.

These Japanese-style cartoons, "anime", are only being watched by people who already have the sickness. They already believe women and boys deserve to be tortured, long before seeking out validation from society about it. The billions of people not watching anime should be proof enough that this is frowned upon by society, you know, so should the screams and cries of the victims underneath them, but they don't "feel", they don't "understand". What can we do to stop them from hurting someone real? Just banning this game and then saying the world is a safer place? How blind.

hey it's a thread about rapelay 

I am a disabled Vet and I fought for the rights of all Americans including the right to force a pixelated penis into a pixelated vagina and have non-consensual pixelated intercourse. What people chose to do to entertain themselves behind closed doors is no one else's business. Fucking period.   
 
Use some goddamn common sense about it too, no one is claiming it's ok to harm someone else.  
 
Try putting this into perspective; The guy next door is nailing his ballbag to the coffee table with 6" spikes and a framing hammer but we aren't allowed to play with graphic computer programs... beautiful. 

Awww but RapeLay is just a bit of harmless family fun!

Best game ever?

from his description of the game, it seems something thats typically shown in hentai's. There are quite a few out there that depict being raped on trains in japan.

I think people should understand that rape is a common sexual fantasy. That's why there are (faked) rape videos and stuff like that on the internet. Because they cater for a certain subsection of people, who find the rape fantasy arousing.
Saying that playing a rape simulation like this is "encouraging rape" is exactly the same kind of Jack Thompson mentality that has plagued the world of video games since GTA showed us that running down Hare Krishna monks can be entertaining. As always, people have no problem with games featuring the murder of people, but as soon as rape is involved everyone go nuts. 
Who's to say that depicting rape in games is necessarily bad? The GTA violence sensation recently culminated in MW2's famous 'No Russian' - a scene I think was the crowning achievement of the game, as it seamlessly tested the players conscience - his duty vs. his morals.  Maybe RapeLay could be the stepping stone for depicting actual rape in games? Personally, I would be interested in seeing someone depicting something like the rape of Nanking as it really was carried out - and not leaving out the much-hated systematic rapes. I think that would add considerably to the 'realism' - or something like that. At any rate it would be interesting - not from a rape fantasy point-of-view, but from a depicting-uncensored-what-actually-happened point-of-view. That's just food for thought
 
But I digress
RapeLay is a sex game marketed towards people interested in the rape fantasy. It's nothing more than that, and it shouldn't be treated like the America's Army of rapists. I have yet to see a single rapist who needed this game as 'encouragement'. Jesus Christ people, grow up

Penn's basic argument is that media doesn't instigate violence, or is not the primary instigator.  But it cannot be discounted that media influences behavior.  The clothes you buy, the shows you watch, the places you eat are influenced by media.  Why do governments make propaganda films during wars encouraging their soldiers to hate their enemies?  Why does Bin Ladden release videos to his followers?  
 
Media DOES influence behavior, so yes, if you give movies, games and books to someone who is a predisposed to rape in the first place, could these factors push someone over the edge.  Sure.   But that's not even the real point.
 
The point is, do you sacrifice freedom of speech because of the risk of these types of people.  The answer to me is NO.  That's the cheap way out.  Rather than try to identify these sick people and deal with them, we would rather try to stifle free speech and creativity to the point where we think maybe it won't be a determining factor.  That's a sucky world I wouldn't want to live in. 

" To be honest, I haven't really been interested in what he has to say since I watched an episode of "Bullshit" where they basically said it was cool for big corporations like Nike to run sweatshops in third world countries because they paid them more than they would have gotten elsewhere. That's great, except they still weren't paying them enough to live off of. They should be paying them what they deserve, not slightly more than the unthinkably low wages they were earning before. "

" Holiday 2009 is all they said."

" Okay, I heard the first part in which he says it is fantasy and faked. Well that's horseshit, because it promotes this kind of behaviour. "

I just think it would be funny to censor or remove everyone's comment on this forum that doesn't believe in free media/speech. That would be pretty funny. I don't like everything everyone has to say myself, heck I don't like hunting for sport, but i don't try to stop others from doing it.
 
But really, you are on a video game forum being mad at a "rape game" that doesn't show genitals or violence, (the girls barely resist and then like it), when i have watched morally worse and more graphic cartoons that we sell in retail stores here... (The rape scene in the anime movie Kite is worse and i bought it at Best Buy, same with the classic French movie "O", its all about domination and rape and i bought that at Media Play and was shocked that it was more porno than movie!). Not to mention the game site we like promotes and love violent games where you shoot people's heads off!? (I love violent games!) How is rape worse than murder? Sure you feel shitty after it, psychologically its terrible; but being dead is hands down going to ruin your day more. (sorry if that sounds glib but its true and i have heard a lot of people say that rape is worse than murder, and that's just dumb - like a vegetarian saying they would eat a human baby before a hamburger). And if your main concern is games influencing people to act on these "urges", well murder is easier to do that rape for anyone, you can drive by kill with a gun, but you have to be physical to rape. Again not saying it doesn't happen, but if you are worried about media influence you should be way more worried about violence in games in general. A specific call to arms about 1 game is really weird to me. So unless you wanna censor ALL games we make, (and then why would you be on Giantbomb?) then get over it.
 
And as Penn says, hopefully none of us are 1 rape game away from being a rapist, because I think if that's the case that individual is already fucked up!

Ppl are getting upset for nothing. So do we start to censor fantasies now, maybe we start to break into peoples home when they engage in BDSM roleplaying as well?

" I am a disabled Vet and I fought for the rights of all Americans including the right to force a pixelated penis into a pixelated vagina and have non-consensual pixelated intercourse. What people chose to do to entertain themselves behind closed doors is no one else's business. Fucking period.    Use some goddamn common sense about it too, no one is claiming it's ok to harm someone else.   Try putting this into perspective; The guy next door is nailing his ballbag to the coffee table with 6" spikes and a framing hammer but we aren't allowed to play with graphic computer programs... beautiful.  "

" Ppl are getting upset for nothing. So do we start to censor fantasies now, maybe we start to break into peoples home when they engage in BDSM roleplaying as well? "

FYI, when I posted this nine months ago they hadn't yet enacted the 'no youtube spam' policy.

" @floodiastus said:

" Ppl are getting upset for nothing. So do we start to censor fantasies now, maybe we start to break into peoples home when they engage in BDSM roleplaying as well? "

Because forcing someone to have sex against their will is totally just like two consenting adults deciding to do something gross? Okay freak. "

That is rather quite a humorous affair if I do say so myself.