i havent been listening to the podcasts recently which one is this happening on specifically ?

It's pretty hard not to notice, really. 

It's been pissing me off in the GOTY casts where someone says something good about Red Dead and Jeff immediately counters it with something that is invalid.

Yeah, he really seems to hate the game.

I don't mind that Jeff dislikes some games I enjoyed a lot, he's absolutely entitled to but I wish I had a better idea as to what he disliked about them. 
 
I also noticed he was very dismissive and pessimistic of Brad's championing of Minerva's Den, bashing Bioshock 2 relentlessly when...Jeff himself gave that very game a 4 out of 5 on this site! 

Well Red Dead Redemption is a boring game.

Relying on "I heard" instead of stating your own judgements is unprofessional. Dude needs to be straight with his opinion, regardless what the reaction would be. Don't just skate around not liking a popular game with citing other people.

I'm not sure which one he hates worse. Red Dead or Limbo. But he really doesn't like Red Dead Redemption. I thought it was heads and shoulders above what GTA IV brought to the table.
 
It will be hard for it to win GotY on Giant Bomb with that much attitude. I can't wait for that fight... discussion.

Brad Shoemaker is very likely correct in his presumption that Jeff never successfully figured out how to ride the damn horse.

I'm happy about it.  I beat RDR didn't think it was anything special at all. 
Playing liar's dice was a million times more fun than doing just about anything else in that game.
A great liar's dice simulator does not make game of the year. I was still the same very tired Rockstar style of open-world.
Ride 10 minutes to a point, get a cutscene, ride 10 more minutes somewhere else, then a shoot a dozen guys.

Are we sat here saying Jeff's criticism of the game is invalid or are we sitting here saying that Jeff is in a vocal minority who, when discussing RDR, don't feel the need to gush about it like a lovesick puppy?

Jeff still has it in games he still wants tp play stack at home (formspring) 
 
He just never got into it, he played it for awhile and the controls were not working and maybe the story so he naturally stopped. He was told the ending before the deliberations I think based on his twitter, I bet he is more then willing to give it to RDR if that is what het room feels.

" Are we sat here saying Jeff's criticism of the game is invalid or are we sitting here saying that Jeff is in a vocal minority who, when discussing RDR, don't feel the need to gush about it like a lovesick puppy? "

He doesn't like the game get over it. 
 
No one complained when Brad did it for Fable 3.

" @Hamz said:

" Are we sat here saying Jeff's criticism of the game is invalid or are we sitting here saying that Jeff is in a vocal minority who, when discussing RDR, don't feel the need to gush about it like a lovesick puppy? "

Lack of gushing is fine, but even I noticed the outright hatred he seems to have for it.  Disliking a game is one thing, but when a game is clearly one of the absolute best of the year, and a strong GOTY contender at every site, it is not a bad game. "

Oh fuck! Hate police.

I'm sure it's not intentional, but when he talks about Red Dead he really comes off like one of those contrarian douchebags (mostly on the internet) that hates something only because it's popular. But I know that can't be true because he fucking loves Call of Duty. 

"Are we sat here saying Jeff's criticism of the game is invalid or are we sitting here saying that Jeff is in a vocal minority who, when discussing RDR, don't feel the need to gush about it like a lovesick puppy? "

"He doesn't like the game get over it.  No one complained when Brad did it for Fable 3. "

" @Rolyatkcinmai said:

" @Hamz said:

" Are we sat here saying Jeff's criticism of the game is invalid or are we sitting here saying that Jeff is in a vocal minority who, when discussing RDR, don't feel the need to gush about it like a lovesick puppy? "

Lack of gushing is fine, but even I noticed the outright hatred he seems to have for it.  Disliking a game is one thing, but when a game is clearly one of the absolute best of the year, and a strong GOTY contender at every site, it is not a bad game. "

Well there are crazier things out there, like people not liking mass effect 2 for example. "

I don't like when Jeff takes an opinion and makes it sound like it's flat out wrong.  Like the Limbo discussion in one of this week's podcasts, holy shit.  Thought everyone was crazy, just because there was a difference of opinion.

Well it was pretty funny listening to the podcasts and hearing trying to crap on RDR every chance he got even though his criticisms never seemed valid.

His criticisms are invalid because they're based on what other people have said or maybe said rather than his play experience. You can dislike a game as much as you want but if you can't justify your opinion then it's not worth stating, really. Having an argument is much more important than agreeing or disagreeing with the consensus.

" @kingzetta said:

" @Rolyatkcinmai said:

" @Hamz said:

" Are we sat here saying Jeff's criticism of the game is invalid or are we sitting here saying that Jeff is in a vocal minority who, when discussing RDR, don't feel the need to gush about it like a lovesick puppy? "

Lack of gushing is fine, but even I noticed the outright hatred he seems to have for it.  Disliking a game is one thing, but when a game is clearly one of the absolute best of the year, and a strong GOTY contender at every site, it is not a bad game. "

Well there are crazier things out there, like people not liking mass effect 2 for example. "

Forgive me but it almost sounds like you're both saying that if someone doesn't agree with the majority and follow the lemmings as they jump off the cliff then that person's opinion is invalid....if that is what you're saying then shame on you both. "

I agree with all of Jeff's Criticisms of RDR. I find RDR pretty dull, boring and apart from a damn fine ending a mediocre experiance at best.  
 
If Jeff really doesn't like a game why can't he be passionate about it? Why must being passionate only be reserved for when you love something? 

" Well Red Dead Redemption is a boring game. "

I haven't really noticed outright "hatred" of Red Dead from Jeff. Nor do I really care if he hates it. Though is love for VVVVVV is starting to get grating in the GOTY episodes.

" I'm happy about it.  I beat RDR didn't think it was anything special at all.  Playing liar's dice was a million times more fun than doing just about anything else in that game. A great liar's dice simulator does not make game of the year. I was still the same very tired Rockstar style of open-world. Ride 10 minutes to a point, get a cutscene, ride 10 more minutes somewhere else, then a shoot a dozen guys. "

"If Jeff really doesn't like a game why can't he be passionate about it? Why must being passionate only be reserved for when you love something?  "

" @kingzetta said:

" @Rolyatkcinmai said:

" @Hamz said:

" Are we sat here saying Jeff's criticism of the game is invalid or are we sitting here saying that Jeff is in a vocal minority who, when discussing RDR, don't feel the need to gush about it like a lovesick puppy? "

Lack of gushing is fine, but even I noticed the outright hatred he seems to have for it.  Disliking a game is one thing, but when a game is clearly one of the absolute best of the year, and a strong GOTY contender at every site, it is not a bad game. "

Well there are crazier things out there, like people not liking mass effect 2 for example. "

Forgive me but it almost sounds like you're both saying that if someone doesn't agree with the majority and follow the lemmings as they jump off the cliff then that person's opinion is invalid....if that is what you're saying then shame on you both. "

Wonder what Jeff wouldve done if he had to review it.

RDR is so overrated. The shooting is alright, the story is alright and yes the world very well made. But thats no GOTY material, it has nothing going for it over Mass Effect 2 or Starcraft 2 in any way.

Stop making this to be about justification. Vinny was incredibly passionate about the fact that he hates Flower and gave no reasons why - and nobody cared. Ryan just recently insisted that Epic Mickey was total garbage because it wasn't what he expected - and nobody cared. There seems to be a pattern here. The justification doesn't really matter, the specific game and its fans do. Red Dead happens to have a massive following compared to those two and then you get a Blaz Blue freakout all over again. 
 
Although you can at least argue that game did get a review. For the record I don't think he "hates" RDR in the first place...more like just doesn't care. Thus no review, from him at least.
 
People also have a problem when he says "I hate westerns" for some reason. Why? Movie critics tend to get away with this kind of generalization all the time. Chances are quite a few people in this thread would say  "I hate zombies" with absolutely no justification other than their use in various media over the last four years.

"Horse, meet rider; rider, meet horse." That's where Jeff went wrong with Red Dead Redemption. I think we all took a moment longer than expected to fully grasp the horse-riding controls, specifically with regard to accelerating and maintaining speed, yes? When Mr. Shoemaker brought this up recently, Jeff immediately fell silent. 
 
Personally, I'm okay with this. I've yet to finish the game myself. And I certainly would not confuse Jeff's perceived lack of interest with "hate."

Well, I played Red Dead up till when you're taking missions from that cocaine addict guy and (negative comments about RDR).

 Oh NOES dude doesn't like a game!!! 
 
Who cares, man. Don't you have better things to do than worry about someone else's opinion of a video game? 

" @seanfoster said:

" I don't mind that Jeff dislikes some games I enjoyed a lot, he's absolutely entitled to but I wish I had a better idea as to what he disliked about them.  I also noticed he was very dismissive and pessimistic of Brad's championing of Minerva's Den, bashing Bioshock 2 relentlessly when...Jeff himself gave that very game a 4 out of 5 on this site!  "

 

How can you sit there and give Bioshock 2 4 stars and claim in the review that the gameplay is solid. Then come GOTY time you shit all over the game as if it was a chore to play. Make up your mind.(question on formspring)

When we're talking about the best games of the entire year, the stakes get raised on EVERYTHING. Is that so hard to understand? [Jeff's answer]
 

  there you have it "

*Raises pichfork* 
  
Let's hang him! 

sometimes people wanna be different i guess 

It's a bit of a shame that he doesn't like it, but then again, some people legitimately don't like that game. Or Mass Effect 2. Or God of War 3. No game appeals to everyone. There is no "universally" loved game - hell I met someone who hates Tetris. TETRIS. How can you hate Tetris? Someone found a way. 
 
Jeff doesn't like Red Dead. I never played it, I didn't have the time. So I can't say whether or not his like or dislike is warranted. The game just didn't click with him. And that's fine. Jeff loves Pac-Man and Beat Hazard, and I, personally, don't like either game that much. Yes, you heard me. I don't really care for Pac-Man. Pac-Man's not a bad game, but to me it's nothing special. And I detest Beat Hazard.

" It's a bit of a shame that he doesn't like it, but then again, some people legitimately don't like that game. Or Mass Effect 2. Or God of War 3. No game appeals to everyone one. There is no "universally" loved game - hell I met someone who hates Tetris. TETRIS. How can you hate Tetris? Someone found a way.  Jeff doesn't like Red Dead. I never played it, I didn't have the time. So I can't say whether or not his like or dislike is warranted. The game just didn't click with him. And that's fine. Jeff loves Pac-Man and Beat Hazard, and I, personally, don't like either game that much. Yes, you heard me. I don't really care for Pac-Man. And I detest Beat Hazard. "

No I wasn't aware of it. The only place I've heard this is from reading the bitching about it on the forums. This tells me it isn't that big of a deal and the fanboys are freaking out.

Jeff:
 
"I really liked Bioshock 2, but if I had to play that gameplay again...."
 Bombcast GOTY day 2.
 
"Isn't John Marston just a generic cowboy?"
Bombcast GOTY day 2  
 
Did Jeff even finish RDR? or play Minerva's Den? He made way to many judgment calls on Minerva's Den and Shadow Broker, it was hella weird. Especially since Ryan was right there sitting quietly because he didn't play Minerva's Den too....Jeff is usually more professional.

No I'm not aware! Infact I choose to ignore it!

" @seanfoster said:

" I don't mind that Jeff dislikes some games I enjoyed a lot, he's absolutely entitled to but I wish I had a better idea as to what he disliked about them.  I also noticed he was very dismissive and pessimistic of Brad's championing of Minerva's Den, bashing Bioshock 2 relentlessly when...Jeff himself gave that very game a 4 out of 5 on this site!  "

 

How can you sit there and give Bioshock 2 4 stars and claim in the review that the gameplay is solid. Then come GOTY time you shit all over the game as if it was a chore to play. Make up your mind.(question on formspring)

When we're talking about the best games of the entire year, the stakes get raised on EVERYTHING. Is that so hard to understand? [Jeff's answer]
 

  there you have it "

" Jeff:
 
"I really liked Bioshock 2, but if I had to play that gameplay again...."
 Bombcast GOTY day 2.
 
"Isn't John Marston just a generic cowboy?" Bombcast GOTY day 2    Did Jeff even finish RDR? or play Minerva's Den? He made way to many judgment calls on Minerva's Den and Shadow Broker, it was hella weird. Especially since Ryan was right there sitting quietly because he didn't play Minerva's Den too....Jeff is usually more professional. "