Why does Jeff hate RDR?

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#1 Edited by fontainefellow (171 posts) -

On the Jeff Gerstmann page there's a "Things Jeff Gerstmann Hates" section and one of the things listed is Red Dead Redemption. I'd like to know why. And I'm not asking because of my feeling toward the game (we got married last summer, but now I'm having an affair with L.A. Noire (don't tell anyone)), but just out of sheer curiosity. And also because Jeff probably proposed to GTA IV, and the two games shared many of the same criticisms from a lot of people.

#2 Posted by JasonR86 (9379 posts) -

If I remember correctly he didn't really like the gunplay and he isn't a big fan of westerns in general.

#3 Posted by zombie2011 (4941 posts) -

I didn't click with him, different people like different games.

#4 Posted by McGhee (6091 posts) -

He's the last descendant of a long lost Native American tribe and all of the cowboy glorification just rubs him the wrong way. Goddamn pale-faces.

#5 Posted by imsh_pl (3295 posts) -

Didn't click with me neither. Never finished it.

#6 Posted by shivermetimbers (717 posts) -

The beginning was paced weirdly and it was full of mundane tasks. He mentions this on a few bombcasts.

#7 Posted by wolf_blitzer85 (5235 posts) -

I thought it was because he couldn't figure out how the horses worked.

#8 Posted by Monte (229 posts) -

Fuck... after reading that list. How can someone hate Futurama?

#9 Posted by FinalDasa (1253 posts) -

Everyone can't like everything, Jeff is the same.


I think a lot of open world jank didn't help it's case.
#10 Posted by N7 (3570 posts) -

How can you not be a fan of westerns? :(

#11 Posted by ThePickle (4149 posts) -

I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?

#12 Posted by JJWeatherman (14485 posts) -
@Tarsier said:
jeff has been getting extremely ridiculous over the last couple years.. he hates on things that are great for no reason other than to sound like a critic.
Such as?
#13 Posted by JJWeatherman (14485 posts) -
@HandsomeDevil said:
I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?
It means you didn't enjoy something for the reasons that many other people did.
#14 Posted by JTB123 (1045 posts) -

He's also said a few times he just hates old guns and prefers modern firearms in games.

#15 Posted by BraveToaster (12590 posts) -

He might have mentioned his reasons in Bombcasts 05-25-2010 and 06-01-2010.

#16 Posted by TheSeductiveMoose (3617 posts) -

I fail to see how "didn't care for" = hate.

#17 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -

He's barely even played it. He played the beginning and went I DON'T LIKE THIS! and never played it.

#18 Posted by Pandasaurus (115 posts) -

i can tell you why i don't like RDR:

the character development of Marshal does not fit the actions he does in missions (killing countless unnamed men, who probably have pixel families too) 
that he is might to be a intelligent and self determined character yet he follows the order of people that both you and he must know will never actually help him- that irish guy, that medicine guy
Marshal is meant to be a "rouge who is trying to redeem himself"- his actions don't live up to this reputation
also fucking Mexico
#19 Posted by Sin4profit (2870 posts) -
@TheSeductiveMoose: yeah, the whole list seems to be fan made and questionable. 
#20 Posted by ThePickle (4149 posts) -
@JJWeatherman said:
@HandsomeDevil said:
I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?
It means you didn't enjoy something for the reasons that many other people did.
Well then say that. Don't pussyfoot around it by saying it didn't "click." That just means to me that you didn't play the game long enough to understand it. 
#21 Edited by iAmJohn (6091 posts) -
@HandsomeDevil said:

I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?

It means it might be a good game underneath it all but I'm too busy not liking it, not connecting with it and not getting immersed in it so I don't care and I'm not going to call it a good game.  Which is basically how I felt about Redemption verbatim, honestly.

@HandsomeDevil said: 

Well then say that. Don't pussyfoot around it by saying it didn't "click." That just means to me that you didn't play the game long enough to understand it. 

Yes, because surely the only reason you could not like the game is because you didn't play it long enough to understand it.  Yeah no.
#22 Edited by Underachiever007 (2468 posts) -
@Sin4profit said:

@TheSeductiveMoose: yeah, the whole list seems to be fan made and questionable. 

I'm fairly sure he gave Ninja Gaiden Black a very positive review. Don't know where that came from.
#23 Posted by EuanDewar (4513 posts) -
@monte said:
Fuck... after reading that list. How can someone hate Futurama?
He doesn't. Most of that list is jokey bullshit.
#24 Edited by Surkov (989 posts) -
@Pandasaurus: I think you're talking about Marston.

And also that is a classic Rockstar protagonist problem.  
#25 Posted by Afroman269 (7388 posts) -

I don't know why people can't accept that he doesn't like the game. Get the fuck over it.

#26 Posted by ThePickle (4149 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:
@HandsomeDevil said:
I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?
It means it might be a good game underneath it all but I'm too busy not liking it, not connecting with it and not getting immersed in it so I don't care and I'm not going to call it a good game.  Which is basically how I felt about Redemption verbatim, honestly.
I'm just sick of hearing it from the GB crew. Ryan said inFamous didn't "click" which makes no sense to me. How could you not understand a game so simple? Just come out and say you don't like it. 
#27 Posted by GoofyGoober (937 posts) -

Lol his hate list is so fucking funny.  BTW who the fuck makes hate list anyway.

#28 Posted by iAmJohn (6091 posts) -
@HandsomeDevil said:
@iAmJohn said:
@HandsomeDevil said:
I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?
It means it might be a good game underneath it all but I'm too busy not liking it, not connecting with it and not getting immersed in it so I don't care and I'm not going to call it a good game.  Which is basically how I felt about Redemption verbatim, honestly.
I'm just sick of hearing it from the GB crew. Ryan said inFamous didn't "click" which makes no sense to me. How could you not understand a game so simple? Just come out and say you don't like it. 
Because it has nothing to do with not understanding a game and everything to do with playing enough to know you don't want to play any more but not playing enough to feel like you can give an informed opinion about it?  Do you have any idea how stupid a semantics argument this is?
#29 Posted by Hot_Karl (3309 posts) -
@HandsomeDevil said:
I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?
It means that for as much time as you put into a game (or book or movie or whatever), you still didn't feel compelled to stick around with it. It's hard to explain, but everyone has those moments.

For example, I understand that for the most part, the Call of Duty series is full of decently well-made first person shooters. People love those games. They all play well, look fine or whatever, but I don't care for them. I've put enough time to know that I don't want to continue playing a Call of Duty game anytime soon. And why the fuck should I? Just because everyone else is playing them, that means I have to like the games too? No, fuck that. Why bother? I can go play Left 4 Dead 2 and have about 10x as much fun. Again, just my opinion.

@CL60 said:
He's barely even played it. He played the beginning and went I DON'T LIKE THIS! and never played it.
Well, yeah, that opening hour or so really turns people off. Why should he finish that game when he can play something else? Who dictates what people can and can't play/enjoy?
#30 Posted by Positrark (312 posts) -
@HandsomeDevil: What's wrong with "click"? It means you realize many other people like something and are aware of their reasons for liking it, but because of your preferences those reasons don't apply to you. So it's just a more spesific way of saying you don't care for something, and a perfectly valid term to use.
#31 Posted by Malphye (413 posts) -
@EuanDewar said:
@monte said:
Fuck... after reading that list. How can someone hate Futurama?
He doesn't. Most of that list is jokey bullshit.
Good, was about to delete GB off my bookmarks... Messing but damn, I love me some futurama.
#32 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -
@VinceNotVance said:

@CL60 said:
He's barely even played it. He played the beginning and went I DON'T LIKE THIS! and never played it.
Well, yeah, that opening hour or so really turns people off. Why should he finish that game when he can play something else? Who dictates what people can and can't play/enjoy?
My only problem with it is when he was talking about the game on the GOTY bombcast. Talking like he knew exactly what he was talking about when others were talking about the game, saying that John Marston wasn't a good character when the others were saying he was.
#33 Posted by DeeGee (2096 posts) -
@HandsomeDevil said:
@iAmJohn said:
@HandsomeDevil said:
I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?
It means it might be a good game underneath it all but I'm too busy not liking it, not connecting with it and not getting immersed in it so I don't care and I'm not going to call it a good game.  Which is basically how I felt about Redemption verbatim, honestly.
I'm just sick of hearing it from the GB crew. Ryan said inFamous didn't "click" which makes no sense to me. How could you not understand a game so simple? Just come out and say you don't like it. 
Hint: that's what not clicking means.

"I don't understand what makes this game enjoyable."
#34 Edited by Kjellm87 (1728 posts) -

   Jeff has an opinion like everyone else , the problem is that when you are part of the staff it leads to bigger reactions on the forum.
But they can be somewhat close-minded at times, I think Brad is the best of them looking at things from different angles.

#35 Posted by GetEveryone (4454 posts) -

He decided he wouldn't see Avatar purely because it was highly anticipated, and then when it exploded he refused to see it on the grounds that "it was too late" or something to that effect.


He's just a dude, and one with some fairly suspect opinions at that (like all of us, I suppose).

In his defense, I can totally understand the dislike of RDR. The physical world is great, but the characters are despicable and there's great disparity in the writing. Marston is meant to be this man desperately hunting a new life, but continually goes absolutely against this; and not as a literary tool.
#36 Posted by ez123 (1902 posts) -
@Delphye: If I remember correctly, Jeff has said that he didn't like Futurama but Vinny and Ryan really like it.
#37 Posted by pornstorestiffi (4905 posts) -
@monte said:
Fuck... after reading that list. How can someone hate Futurama?
Only a monster hates Futurama.
#38 Posted by JasonR86 (9379 posts) -

Futurama never really clicked with me.

#39 Posted by Malphye (413 posts) -
@ez123: You know, Been following Jeff for years now, I'll let it slide but Vinny and Ryan just got planted on pedestals.
#40 Posted by Soapy86 (2597 posts) -

Jeff's reasons for hating Red Dead are questionable. Everything he complained about in that game could also be applied to GTAIV, which for a while, he would shamelessly fellate at every given opportunity. 


I also agree with the people that think that the phrase "it didn't click with me" is utter nonsense. It's just a way for someone to dismiss a game when they don't have any valid criticisms. 
#41 Posted by ez123 (1902 posts) -
#42 Posted by Dany (7886 posts) -

why play through a game if your initial impressions are not great. He played it, didn't like it and didn't want to play it any more. Nothing wrong with that

#43 Posted by James_ex_machina (896 posts) -

People have different tastes. I can't recall any reasons from him on why he didn't care for the game.


I don't care for Gears of War. 
#44 Posted by iAmJohn (6091 posts) -
@Soapy86 said:
Jeff's reasons for hating Red Dead are questionable. Everything he complained about in that game could also be applied to GTAIV, which for a while, he would shamelessly fellate at every given opportunity. 

I also agree with the people that think that the phrase "it didn't click with me" is utter nonsense. It's just a way for someone to dismiss a game when they don't have any valid criticisms. 
To both points: so what?  On the former, as someone who also loved GTA4 and is incredibly apathetic towards Redemption, I can totally understand where he's coming from.  Games don't exist in a vacuum and mechanics that were once seen as fine don't just stay good because we liked them before.  Maybe he didn't like the controls, or the setting, or the writing, or the environment that doesn't feel like much of anything is ever happening.  Those are all perfectly valid reasons not to like a game; who are you to say otherwise?  And on the latter, again, so what?  He's playing the game on his own time with no obligation to anyone to have the most informed opinion on it.  What does it really matter if he (or anyone else, frankly) played it for a couple hours and said "I don't need to play this again"?

Not to say that you can't disagree with him or try to explain why you think he's wrong, but both of these responses are ridiculously stupid cop-out answers.
#45 Posted by ClaritySam (594 posts) -
@Tarsier said:
jeff has been getting extremely ridiculous over the last couple years.. he hates on things that are great for no reason other than to sound like a critic.
Exactly this.
#46 Posted by DeeGee (2096 posts) -
@Soapy86 said:
Jeff's reasons for hating Red Dead are questionable. Everything he complained about in that game could also be applied to GTAIV, which for a while, he would shamelessly fellate at every given opportunity. 

I also agree with the people that think that the phrase "it didn't click with me" is utter nonsense. It's just a way for someone to dismiss a game when they don't have any valid criticisms. 
You're right man, the horse controls in GTAIV were awful.

Wait.
#47 Posted by JasonR86 (9379 posts) -

It never ceases to amaze me when people get mad at other people for their opinions. 

#48 Posted by Animasta (14460 posts) -
@ClaritySam said:
@Tarsier said:
jeff has been getting extremely ridiculous over the last couple years.. he hates on things that are great for no reason other than to sound like a critic.
Exactly this.
I am not a critic and I also hated RDR for the controls being ass and the story being fairly boring, OH NO.

Of course I don't understand why he liked GTAIV so much but everyone has different tastes
#49 Posted by Walreese55 (481 posts) -
@Pandasaurus said:
i can tell you why i don't like RDR:
the character development of Marshal does not fit the actions he does in missions (killing countless unnamed men, who probably have pixel families too) 
that he is might to be a intelligent and self determined character yet he follows the order of people that both you and he must know will never actually help him- that irish guy, that medicine guy
Marshal is meant to be a "rouge who is trying to redeem himself"- his actions don't live up to this reputation
also fucking Mexico
You pretty much lose all credibility about this subject when you can't even remember the protagonist's name and if you had actually played through the game's ending, you would have seen the "redemption" and the sacrifices Marston had to do to achieve it
#50 Edited by Hot_Karl (3309 posts) -
@Soapy86 said:

Jeff's reasons for hating Red Dead are questionable. Everything he complained about in that game could also be applied to GTAIV, which for a while, he would shamelessly fellate at every given opportunity. 
I also agree with the people that think that the phrase "it didn't click with me" is utter nonsense. It's just a way for someone to dismiss a game when they don't have any valid criticisms. 

Haven't we gone through this whole "it didn't click with me" thing already? For about 2 pages now? There's no explanation for it. Sometimes, you can see why a game (or movie or whatever) is well-made and why people don't like it, but sometimes you just won't like it and have no particular reason why.
Can you explain to me what love is in complete scientific, factual terms? No, you can't. You just know whether you're in love or not, right? That's how this whole "it didn't click with me" thing is. You can't explain it, it just is. "Because, just because".

Also, it's not dismissing anything, it's saying "I understand why people like this game; I don't like it, I don't particularly have a good reason not to like it, but I know that I don't want to spend my time playing this game when I can play something else more compelling instead".

Also also, GTA IV is deserving of every bit of "fellating" it has received. 

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