On the Jeff Gerstmann page there's a "Things Jeff Gerstmann Hates" section and one of the things listed is Red Dead Redemption. I'd like to know why. And I'm not asking because of my feeling toward the game (we got married last summer, but now I'm having an affair with L.A. Noire (don't tell anyone)), but just out of sheer curiosity. And also because Jeff probably proposed to GTA IV, and the two games shared many of the same criticisms from a lot of people.
Red Dead Redemption
Game » consists of 23 releases. Released May 18, 2010
- PlayStation 3
- Xbox 360
- PlayStation Network (PS3)
- PlayStation 4
- + 2 more
- Nintendo Switch
- Xbox 360 Games Store
Red Dead Redemption is the spiritual successor to 2004's Red Dead Revolver, featuring a vibrant, open world set in the decline of the American Wild West. Players take on the role of former outlaw John Marston, who is forced to hunt down his former gang to regain his family.
Why does Jeff hate RDR?
The beginning was paced weirdly and it was full of mundane tasks. He mentions this on a few bombcasts.
jeff has been getting extremely ridiculous over the last couple years.. he hates on things that are great for no reason other than to sound like a critic.Such as?
I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?It means you didn't enjoy something for the reasons that many other people did.
i can tell you why i don't like RDR:
@HandsomeDevil said:Well then say that. Don't pussyfoot around it by saying it didn't "click." That just means to me that you didn't play the game long enough to understand it.I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?It means you didn't enjoy something for the reasons that many other people did.
It means it might be a good game underneath it all but I'm too busy not liking it, not connecting with it and not getting immersed in it so I don't care and I'm not going to call it a good game. Which is basically how I felt about Redemption verbatim, honestly.I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?
Yes, because surely the only reason you could not like the game is because you didn't play it long enough to understand it. Yeah no.Well then say that. Don't pussyfoot around it by saying it didn't "click." That just means to me that you didn't play the game long enough to understand it.
@HandsomeDevil said:I'm just sick of hearing it from the GB crew. Ryan said inFamous didn't "click" which makes no sense to me. How could you not understand a game so simple? Just come out and say you don't like it.I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?It means it might be a good game underneath it all but I'm too busy not liking it, not connecting with it and not getting immersed in it so I don't care and I'm not going to call it a good game. Which is basically how I felt about Redemption verbatim, honestly.
@iAmJohn said:Because it has nothing to do with not understanding a game and everything to do with playing enough to know you don't want to play any more but not playing enough to feel like you can give an informed opinion about it? Do you have any idea how stupid a semantics argument this is?@HandsomeDevil said:I'm just sick of hearing it from the GB crew. Ryan said inFamous didn't "click" which makes no sense to me. How could you not understand a game so simple? Just come out and say you don't like it.I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?It means it might be a good game underneath it all but I'm too busy not liking it, not connecting with it and not getting immersed in it so I don't care and I'm not going to call it a good game. Which is basically how I felt about Redemption verbatim, honestly.
I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?It means that for as much time as you put into a game (or book or movie or whatever), you still didn't feel compelled to stick around with it. It's hard to explain, but everyone has those moments.
He's barely even played it. He played the beginning and went I DON'T LIKE THIS! and never played it.Well, yeah, that opening hour or so really turns people off. Why should he finish that game when he can play something else? Who dictates what people can and can't play/enjoy?
My only problem with it is when he was talking about the game on the GOTY bombcast. Talking like he knew exactly what he was talking about when others were talking about the game, saying that John Marston wasn't a good character when the others were saying he was.@CL60 said:He's barely even played it. He played the beginning and went I DON'T LIKE THIS! and never played it.Well, yeah, that opening hour or so really turns people off. Why should he finish that game when he can play something else? Who dictates what people can and can't play/enjoy?
@iAmJohn said:Hint: that's what not clicking means.@HandsomeDevil said:I'm just sick of hearing it from the GB crew. Ryan said inFamous didn't "click" which makes no sense to me. How could you not understand a game so simple? Just come out and say you don't like it.I hate the excuse of "I didn't "click" with me." What does that even mean?It means it might be a good game underneath it all but I'm too busy not liking it, not connecting with it and not getting immersed in it so I don't care and I'm not going to call it a good game. Which is basically how I felt about Redemption verbatim, honestly.
"I don't understand what makes this game enjoyable."
He decided he wouldn't see Avatar purely because it was highly anticipated, and then when it exploded he refused to see it on the grounds that "it was too late" or something to that effect.
Fuck... after reading that list. How can someone hate Futurama?Only a monster hates Futurama.
Jeff's reasons for hating Red Dead are questionable. Everything he complained about in that game could also be applied to GTAIV, which for a while, he would shamelessly fellate at every given opportunity.
People have different tastes. I can't recall any reasons from him on why he didn't care for the game.
Jeff's reasons for hating Red Dead are questionable. Everything he complained about in that game could also be applied to GTAIV, which for a while, he would shamelessly fellate at every given opportunity.To both points: so what? On the former, as someone who also loved GTA4 and is incredibly apathetic towards Redemption, I can totally understand where he's coming from. Games don't exist in a vacuum and mechanics that were once seen as fine don't just stay good because we liked them before. Maybe he didn't like the controls, or the setting, or the writing, or the environment that doesn't feel like much of anything is ever happening. Those are all perfectly valid reasons not to like a game; who are you to say otherwise? And on the latter, again, so what? He's playing the game on his own time with no obligation to anyone to have the most informed opinion on it. What does it really matter if he (or anyone else, frankly) played it for a couple hours and said "I don't need to play this again"?I also agree with the people that think that the phrase "it didn't click with me" is utter nonsense. It's just a way for someone to dismiss a game when they don't have any valid criticisms.
jeff has been getting extremely ridiculous over the last couple years.. he hates on things that are great for no reason other than to sound like a critic.Exactly this.
Jeff's reasons for hating Red Dead are questionable. Everything he complained about in that game could also be applied to GTAIV, which for a while, he would shamelessly fellate at every given opportunity.You're right man, the horse controls in GTAIV were awful.I also agree with the people that think that the phrase "it didn't click with me" is utter nonsense. It's just a way for someone to dismiss a game when they don't have any valid criticisms.
Wait.
@Tarsier said:I am not a critic and I also hated RDR for the controls being ass and the story being fairly boring, OH NO.jeff has been getting extremely ridiculous over the last couple years.. he hates on things that are great for no reason other than to sound like a critic.Exactly this.
Of course I don't understand why he liked GTAIV so much but everyone has different tastes
i can tell you why i don't like RDR:You pretty much lose all credibility about this subject when you can't even remember the protagonist's name and if you had actually played through the game's ending, you would have seen the "redemption" and the sacrifices Marston had to do to achieve itthe character development of Marshal does not fit the actions he does in missions (killing countless unnamed men, who probably have pixel families too)that he is might to be a intelligent and self determined character yet he follows the order of people that both you and he must know will never actually help him- that irish guy, that medicine guyMarshal is meant to be a "rouge who is trying to redeem himself"- his actions don't live up to this reputationalso fucking Mexico
Haven't we gone through this whole "it didn't click with me" thing already? For about 2 pages now? There's no explanation for it. Sometimes, you can see why a game (or movie or whatever) is well-made and why people don't like it, but sometimes you just won't like it and have no particular reason why.Jeff's reasons for hating Red Dead are questionable. Everything he complained about in that game could also be applied to GTAIV, which for a while, he would shamelessly fellate at every given opportunity.
I also agree with the people that think that the phrase "it didn't click with me" is utter nonsense. It's just a way for someone to dismiss a game when they don't have any valid criticisms.
Can you explain to me what love is in complete scientific, factual terms? No, you can't. You just know whether you're in love or not, right? That's how this whole "it didn't click with me" thing is. You can't explain it, it just is. "Because, just because".
Also, it's not dismissing anything, it's saying "I understand why people like this game; I don't like it, I don't particularly have a good reason not to like it, but I know that I don't want to spend my time playing this game when I can play something else more compelling instead".
Also also, GTA IV is deserving of every bit of "fellating" it has received.
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