Screw racist, this game IS sexist! (Sheva's Costumes)

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#1 Posted by Cheapoz (1065 posts) -

These 2 costumes are hideous. A few gold pieces of cloth which apparently are some kind of dress, and a bikini with war paint? Friggin ridiculous.


I'm all for fun (like Elika's over the top outfit), but these are horridly sexist and realllllly degrading. And I don't typically get worked up about this.

Why did they take such a cute character model, and make her look so cheap. Ugh. Default costume forever, thanks.
#2 Posted by Geno (6479 posts) -

Um, because the majority of people that will play this game are male? And female gamers should be intelligent enough not to care?

#3 Posted by PureRok (4235 posts) -

Maybe you're sexist.

#4 Posted by TheHBK (5407 posts) -

Ummm, because a japanese company made this game and any woman in it has to be sexy and wear slinky clothes.

#5 Posted by Arkthemaniac (6535 posts) -

Sex sells, but who's buying?


Oh yeah, EVERYONE IN THE WORLD.
#6 Posted by twenty0ne (3071 posts) -

Because it's a game. Who cares?

#7 Posted by Shazam (474 posts) -

Have you ever heard of Stiletto feminism? It's a branch off mainstream "MEN ARE PIGS!" feminism. Basically, a woman can dress as sexily or as slutty (as some would call it) as she wants. It's her prerogative. Being appreciated by men doesn't make you any less of a person and dressing in a bikini certainly doesn't. Just once men don't see you for only a pair of jugs in a bikini. Sheva dresses quite provocatively I'll admit but she is also killing zombies left right and center. That sister, is doing it for herself.

#8 Posted by atheistium (352 posts) -
Geno said:
"Um, because the majority of people that will play this game are male? And female gamers should be intelligent enough not to care? "
I'm female and I like Sheva's tribal outfit.

I think you're forgetting how steroid filled Chris's arms are. So technically this game is 'sexiest' to men as well. Have you forgotten Excella too? It's a VIDEO GAME. It's a little fun!

I love her gold outfit, it reminds me of Austin Powers :-) Very funny. At the end of the day they are optional costumes and the main costume Sheva has is very respectable. I see no problem with the other 2, I think you are just over reacting.

You might as well complain about a certain other characters Battle Suit in mercenaries as well!
#9 Posted by MetalGearSunny (6984 posts) -

Check out  DOA4 if you think this is "sexist"...

#10 Posted by BiggerBomb (6944 posts) -

It's wrong to depict female beauty? Exploiting women would be to have female characters only appear in wet t-shirt contests. Why is it that a game can have jacked-up men with sharp blue eyes, that are practically right out of a highschool girl's locker, and not be called sexist; yet the second the slightest bit of a woman's cleavage is shown, people start crying sexist?

If the girls are portrayed as intelligent, loyal, and brave, why is it so offensive for them to be beautiful? I get it if you're talking about Ivy in SCIV, 'cus that is just creepy, but the whole angry feminist movement only exchanges the "blonde-bimbo" stereotype for the butch Home Depo lesbian type. Is that what you really want? I doubt it.

People need to grow up.

#11 Posted by Hamz (6845 posts) -
atheistium said:
"Geno said:
"Um, because the majority of people that will play this game are male? And female gamers should be intelligent enough not to care? "
I'm female and I like Sheva's tribal outfit.

I think you're forgetting how steroid filled Chris's arms are. So technically this game is 'sexiest' to men as well. Have you forgotten Excella too? It's a VIDEO GAME. It's a little fun!

I love her gold outfit, it reminds me of Austin Powers :-) Very funny. At the end of the day they are optional costumes and the main costume Sheva has is very respectable. I see no problem with the other 2, I think you are just over reacting.

You might as well complain about a certain other characters Battle Suit in mercenaries as well!
"
You know I have to kind of agree here. How many games do we see where the male protagonist is buffed beyond belief and yet no one says a thing about that. What about Dante in Devil May Cry, his sixpack is on show the entire time but again no one complains.

God forbid teenage boys see a little bit of the fine female form in a video game.
#12 Posted by destro (248 posts) -

No

#13 Posted by mracoon (4914 posts) -

I think that those costumes are optional so it's not that big of a deal. When you finished RE4 you unlocked a more 'revealing' costume for Ashley which I disliked because I just hated Ashley in general.

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#14 Posted by Milkman (16228 posts) -

Wow...of all the fucking things to get angry about. ARE YOU STUPID?! Wait, let me answer that for you. Yes, yes you are.


There is a game where girls in bikinis fight zombies, there is a beach volleyball game based in the Dead or Alive universe, there is an all-female wrestling game that has a "TAKE PICTURES OF THESE SMEXY GIRLS" mode, there is a game called fucking RAPELAY! And you're mad because Sheva wears a bikini in Resident Evil 5?! I hope someone beats you up.
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#15 Posted by Vinchenzo (6192 posts) -

You'll make a fine politician, TC.

#16 Posted by Cheapoz (1065 posts) -

Ha, thought this would stir some trouble.


Like I said, I'm not usually the type to get upset about this sort of thing. But these 2 costumes take ridiculous pretty close to the extreme. One scantily clad outfit, I could understand, but both? Really?!

And don't give me crap about "go play DOA" or whatever. Those games are intentionally that way. I don't play semi-serious/semi-bananans shooter games to get my DOA-style fill. Take that crap somewhere else.

Ashley might've had some revealing costume, but she had a suit of armour as well. There's ways to have fun without being completely demeaning.
#17 Posted by Milkman (16228 posts) -
Cheapoz said:
"Ha, thought this would stir some trouble.

Like I said, I'm not usually the type to get upset about this sort of thing. But these 2 costumes take ridiculous pretty close to the extreme. One scantily clad outfit, I could understand, but both? Really?!

And don't give me crap about "go play DOA" or whatever. Those games are intentionally that way. I don't play semi-serious/semi-bananans shooter games to get my DOA-style fill. Take that crap somewhere else.

Ashley might've had some revealing costume, but she had a suit of armour as well. There's ways to have fun without being completely demeaning.
"
And Resident Evil 4 is purposely this way also. This is how Japan rolls. If you haven't noticed that yet, you aren't paying attention.
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#18 Posted by Geno (6479 posts) -

Dude, it's not freaking demeaning. Have you ever been to a beach? Seen a fashion show on TV? There are clothes like that which normal women put on voluntarily.

Also I have to put this out there, usually the first person to say something is sexist/racist is sexist/racist themselves, because they noticed the difference before anyone else.

#19 Posted by License_To_Bill (792 posts) -

Wanting to see ladies naked isn't sexist. It's human nature.

#20 Posted by LuckyWanderDude (929 posts) -

I agree that the portrayal of women in most games is sexist. Guys like to justfiy it by saying it's natural but the fact is, there is a huge difference between something sexy and something sexist. Girls don't walk around dressed like sluts in the real world (most) and to justify such a decision in games by saying "cuz most gamers are males," makes me sick to be a male.

#21 Posted by Shadow (4966 posts) -

I am offended. The skimpy costumes in Resident Evil give a bad name to the Japanese video game industry

#22 Posted by License_To_Bill (792 posts) -
LuckyWanderDude said:
"I agree that the portrayal of women in most games is sexist. Guys like to justfiy it by saying it's natural but the fact is, there is a huge difference between something sexy and something sexist. Girls don't walk around dressed like sluts in the real world (most) and to justify such a decision in games by saying "cuz most gamers are males," makes me sick to be a male."
You have a loose grasp of what sexism is, then. Making a fake lady with big boobs is not the same as "You are a woman, so I am immediately better than you."
#23 Posted by jNerd (2008 posts) -
Geno said:
"Um, because the majority of people that will play this game are male? And female gamers should be intelligent enough not to care? "
BOOM! Summed that up real quick....
#24 Posted by LuckyWanderDude (929 posts) -
License_To_Bill said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
"I agree that the portrayal of women in most games is sexist. Guys like to justfiy it by saying it's natural but the fact is, there is a huge difference between something sexy and something sexist. Girls don't walk around dressed like sluts in the real world (most) and to justify such a decision in games by saying "cuz most gamers are males," makes me sick to be a male."
You have a loose grasp of what sexism is, then. Making a fake lady with big boobs is not the same as "You are a woman, so I am immediately better than you.""
If a woman doesn't like the depiction and feels degraded by it (sometimes it's a bit iffy but often it is overboard) that is the definition of sexist. My definition is a bit looser than most guys, I do agree.
#25 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

Have you seen how buff Chris Redfield is? Not to mention how tight that t-shirt is on him. It seems like it's equal on both sides of the fence here. Also, if making a woman look slutty and overly sexualised is sexist, why isn't making guys incredibly handsome and overly athletic sexist too?

#26 Posted by License_To_Bill (792 posts) -

Who the fuck does something like this degrade? The character? Yeah, maybe, but that's if you consider them a real person with feelings.

A women who feels "degraded" by something a video game character is wearing is someone who is begging for an excuse to be sensationalistic.

#27 Posted by LuckyWanderDude (929 posts) -
HandsomeDead said:
"Have you seen how buff Chris Redfield is? Not to mention how tight that t-shirt is on him. It seems like it's equal on both sides of the fence here. Also, if making a woman look slutty and overly sexualised is sexist, why isn't making guys incredibly handsome and overly athletic sexist too?"
I agree, it's definitely two-sided sexism. I wish people in the game industry weren't obsessed with action figure aesthetics in general.
#28 Edited by BiggerBomb (6944 posts) -
LuckyWanderDude said:
"License_To_Bill said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
"I agree that the portrayal of women in most games is sexist. Guys like to justfiy it by saying it's natural but the fact is, there is a huge difference between something sexy and something sexist. Girls don't walk around dressed like sluts in the real world (most) and to justify such a decision in games by saying "cuz most gamers are males," makes me sick to be a male."
You have a loose grasp of what sexism is, then. Making a fake lady with big boobs is not the same as "You are a woman, so I am immediately better than you.""
If a woman doesn't like the depiction and feels degraded by it (sometimes it's a bit iffy but often it is overboard) that is the definition of sexist. My definition is a bit looser than most guys, I do agree."

So if anyone is offended by anything, the depiction is sexist/racist/whathaveyou?
#29 Posted by LuckyWanderDude (929 posts) -
BiggerBomb said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
"License_To_Bill said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
"I agree that the portrayal of women in most games is sexist. Guys like to justfiy it by saying it's natural but the fact is, there is a huge difference between something sexy and something sexist. Girls don't walk around dressed like sluts in the real world (most) and to justify such a decision in games by saying "cuz most gamers are males," makes me sick to be a male."
You have a loose grasp of what sexism is, then. Making a fake lady with big boobs is not the same as "You are a woman, so I am immediately better than you.""
If a woman doesn't like the depiction and feels degraded by it (sometimes it's a bit iffy but often it is overboard) that is the definition of sexist. My definition is a bit looser than most guys, I do agree."

So if anyone is offended by anything then the depiction is sexist/racist/whathaveyou?"
Dude, I don't mean if anyone is offended. You're lying to yourself if you think real human beings walk around dressed as slutty as most girls in games (particularly Japanese games) are.
#30 Edited by BiggerBomb (6944 posts) -
LuckyWanderDude said:
"Dude, I don't mean if anyone is offended. You're lying to yourself if you think real human beings walk around dressed as slutty as most girls in games (particularly Japanese games) are."

Where on Earth do you live?
#31 Posted by License_To_Bill (792 posts) -

Put yourself in a woman's shoes. Figuratively and literally. 'Cause it's sexy.

If you see a muscly, shirtless man in a videogame, do you feel like he is an embarrassment to men everywhere? Do you feel like you have been directly insulted?

#32 Posted by LuckyWanderDude (929 posts) -
License_To_Bill said:
"Put yourself in a woman's shoes. Figuratively and literally. 'Cause it's sexy.If you see a muscly, shirtless man in a videogame, do you feel like he is an embarrassment to men everywhere? Do you feel like you have been directly insulted?"
I feel like unrealistic expectations have been set and that people are being taught to value the wrong things. In a lot of ways, that's worse than a direct insult because it's a much more subtle but harmful thing.
#33 Posted by License_To_Bill (792 posts) -
BiggerBomb said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
"Dude, I don't mean if anyone is offended. You're lying to yourself if you think real human beings walk around dressed as slutty as most girls in games (particularly Japanese games) are."

Where on Earth do you live?"
He lives in the politically correct land not of this world.
#34 Posted by LuckyWanderDude (929 posts) -
License_To_Bill said:
"BiggerBomb said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
"Dude, I don't mean if anyone is offended. You're lying to yourself if you think real human beings walk around dressed as slutty as most girls in games (particularly Japanese games) are."

Where on Earth do you live?"
He lives in the politically correct land not of this world."
Not true. I don't often see girls walking around wearing nothing but garters and strings. I'm also not so much of an ape as to want to live in that world. Furthermore, the reason women feel the need to dress like that is because popular media (games included) encourage that sort of shallow, visual obsession with women.
#35 Posted by TheHBK (5407 posts) -
LuckyWanderDude said:
"License_To_Bill said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
"I agree that the portrayal of women in most games is sexist. Guys like to justfiy it by saying it's natural but the fact is, there is a huge difference between something sexy and something sexist. Girls don't walk around dressed like sluts in the real world (most) and to justify such a decision in games by saying "cuz most gamers are males," makes me sick to be a male."
You have a loose grasp of what sexism is, then. Making a fake lady with big boobs is not the same as "You are a woman, so I am immediately better than you.""
If a woman doesn't like the depiction and feels degraded by it (sometimes it's a bit iffy but often it is overboard) that is the definition of sexist. My definition is a bit looser than most guys, I do agree."

I agree, you guys are pretty narrow minded if you think it is about people being offended by seeing a woman in a bikini or that it says something about men being superior.  It has a broader scope as to the fact the the way women are depicted determines if it is sexist.  The fact that lots of Japanese game companies will put out games where the only women are super toned and have huge boobs and are wearing bikinis or school girl shirts that are tied to their waist or have a jumpsuit where somehow their breast still have to show, it just makes us as males gamers look bad because it tells others that thats what we want to see.
Also, the fact that these women are presented this way can be compared to how models are presented as having super small waists and huge boobs, an unrealistic depiction of what a woman in real life looks like and makes a statement about what a hero looks like, this case, sheva.  It is not about whether one has an objection to seeing the bikini, but the purpose of it.  Seriously, why is this in the game?  Different costumes are cool and all but make it make sense, not just have a horny japanese guy say, lets put her in a bikini fighting zombies.
Also, I agree that the depiction of chris just makes me think his taking some HGH or steroids, he sure didn't look like this in Code Veronica.
And shadow above posted a good example, why is anything like that, in Resident Evil?
#36 Posted by DeadMonkeys (818 posts) -
Cheapoz said:
I'm all for fun (like Elika's over the top outfit), but these are horridly sexist and realllllly degrading. And I don't typically get worked up about this.

Why did they take such a cute character model, and make her look so cheap. Ugh. Default costume forever, thanks.

Cheapoz
said:
And don't give me crap about "go play DOA" or whatever. Those games are intentionally that way. I don't play semi-serious/semi-bananans shooter games to get my DOA-style fill. Take that crap somewhere else.

Ashley might've had some revealing costume, but she had a suit of armour as well. There's ways to have fun without being completely demeaning.
"

Are you upset because of general sexism in games or because of this specific outfit?

You seem to not care about sexism in DOA, so it can't possibly be general sexism.
You're ok with Ashley having revealing costumes, as long as she had a non-revealing costume as well (which sheva also has and you are apparently using).

So what's the problem here?
#37 Posted by License_To_Bill (792 posts) -
LuckyWanderDude said:
"License_To_Bill said:
"Put yourself in a woman's shoes. Figuratively and literally. 'Cause it's sexy.If you see a muscly, shirtless man in a videogame, do you feel like he is an embarrassment to men everywhere? Do you feel like you have been directly insulted?"
I feel like unrealistic expectations have been set and that people are being taught to value the wrong things. In a lot of ways, that's worse than a direct insult because it's a much more subtle but harmful thing."
Yes. You're right. After I finished Gears, I ate entire carton of ice cream while dabbing at my falling tears with a razor.

I stopped playing SFIV because my noose kept getting closer to completion.

People who think they need to live up to some kind of social standard need to be wrangled and used to hot dog meat, anyway.

#38 Posted by LuckyWanderDude (929 posts) -
License_To_Bill said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
"License_To_Bill said:
"Put yourself in a woman's shoes. Figuratively and literally. 'Cause it's sexy.If you see a muscly, shirtless man in a videogame, do you feel like he is an embarrassment to men everywhere? Do you feel like you have been directly insulted?"
I feel like unrealistic expectations have been set and that people are being taught to value the wrong things. In a lot of ways, that's worse than a direct insult because it's a much more subtle but harmful thing."
Yes. You're right. After I finished Gears, I ate entire carton of ice cream while dabbing at my falling tears with a razor. I stopped playing SFIV because my noose kept getting closer to completion.People who think they need to live up to some kind of social standard need to be wrangled and used to hot dog meat, anyway. "
Just because you don't feel that pressure doesn't mean that many girls don't feel a pressure to be "sexy" so they can get a good job. You're the one who should be wrangled because you're probably mostly made of meat anyway and you like to ignore actual things by only addressing how it affects you.
#39 Posted by TheGreatGuero (9130 posts) -

...can you supply us with photographic evidence of this sexism in RE5?

;)

#40 Posted by RHCPfan24 (8610 posts) -

Sexist? Resident Evil? A game made by Capcom? A company located in Japan?

Nonsense. As some have already pointed out, there are already games like the DOA series, Ochenumbra, RAPELAY and more of those, including Ninja Gaiden I and II. This game is very tame when compared to the others, honestly.

#41 Posted by License_To_Bill (792 posts) -
LuckyWanderDude said:
"License_To_Bill said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
"License_To_Bill said:
"Put yourself in a woman's shoes. Figuratively and literally. 'Cause it's sexy.If you see a muscly, shirtless man in a videogame, do you feel like he is an embarrassment to men everywhere? Do you feel like you have been directly insulted?"
I feel like unrealistic expectations have been set and that people are being taught to value the wrong things. In a lot of ways, that's worse than a direct insult because it's a much more subtle but harmful thing."
Yes. You're right. After I finished Gears, I ate entire carton of ice cream while dabbing at my falling tears with a razor. I stopped playing SFIV because my noose kept getting closer to completion.People who think they need to live up to some kind of social standard need to be wrangled and used to hot dog meat, anyway. "
Just because you don't feel that pressure doesn't mean that many girls don't feel a pressure to be "sexy" so they can get a good job. You're the one who should be wrangled because you're probably mostly made of meat anyway and you like to ignore actual things by only addressing how it affects you."
Insulting a man you know nothing about with false assumptions is not the way to make your point, sir.
#42 Posted by LuckyWanderDude (929 posts) -
RHCPfan24 said:
"Sexist? Resident Evil? A game made by Capcom? A company located in Japan? Nonsense. As some have already pointed out, there are already games like the DOA series, Ochenumbra, RAPELAY and more of those, including Ninja Gaiden I and II. This game is very tame when compared to the others, honestly."
That doesn't make any of it all right. Your argument is essentially that it's already so bad we shouldn't sweat any of it.
#43 Posted by Aurelito (721 posts) -

They wanted her to look like old comic super heroines, I believe, and a little JAPANESE word reinflated in your mind will cause you to stop paying attention to a sexy characteristic.

#44 Posted by LuckyWanderDude (929 posts) -
License_To_Bill said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
"License_To_Bill said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
"License_To_Bill said:
"Put yourself in a woman's shoes. Figuratively and literally. 'Cause it's sexy.If you see a muscly, shirtless man in a videogame, do you feel like he is an embarrassment to men everywhere? Do you feel like you have been directly insulted?"
I feel like unrealistic expectations have been set and that people are being taught to value the wrong things. In a lot of ways, that's worse than a direct insult because it's a much more subtle but harmful thing."
Yes. You're right. After I finished Gears, I ate entire carton of ice cream while dabbing at my falling tears with a razor. I stopped playing SFIV because my noose kept getting closer to completion.People who think they need to live up to some kind of social standard need to be wrangled and used to hot dog meat, anyway. "
Just because you don't feel that pressure doesn't mean that many girls don't feel a pressure to be "sexy" so they can get a good job. You're the one who should be wrangled because you're probably mostly made of meat anyway and you like to ignore actual things by only addressing how it affects you."
Insulting a man you know nothing about with false assumptions is not the way to make your point, sir."
You assume that anyone who feels the need to fit a social standard of appearance is stupid. We all have different experiences. don't be a hypocrite.
#45 Posted by Cheapoz (1065 posts) -
DeadMonkeys said:
"Cheapoz said:
I'm all for fun (like Elika's over the top outfit), but these are horridly sexist and realllllly degrading. And I don't typically get worked up about this.

Why did they take such a cute character model, and make her look so cheap. Ugh. Default costume forever, thanks.

Cheapoz
said:
And don't give me crap about "go play DOA" or whatever. Those games are intentionally that way. I don't play semi-serious/semi-bananans shooter games to get my DOA-style fill. Take that crap somewhere else.

Ashley might've had some revealing costume, but she had a suit of armour as well. There's ways to have fun without being completely demeaning.
"
Are you upset because of general sexism in games or because of this specific outfit? You seem to not care about sexism in DOA, so it can't possibly be general sexism.You're ok with Ashley having revealing costumes, as long as she had a non-revealing costume as well (which sheva also has and you are apparently using). So what's the problem here?"
My problem is this:

DOA is so crazy, that labeling it sexist is pointless. Everyone knows its purpose, its audience, and they can have it. I wouldn't go near it personally, but it has an audience.

RE5 is not so crazy. Okay so Elika's outfit is pretty out there, granted. But of the only 2 unlockable costumes you can get, they're both degrading. It makes me wonder how the development team showed such restraint with her default outfit.

If one of those 2 were there I wouldn't care, they could've had her dress up like a chicken, or anything else as a second one. But since the only other options to dress her up are these scantily clad ones, I would consider this sexist.

So I'm saying if a game is going to be overtly pointed in that direction, whatever. But it seems so out of place in this game (weird I know, for a game that is the height of crazyness), that I think its in bad taste.

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Also, anyone justifying this by saying OH CHRIS IS SO BUFFED SO WHATEVER, it's not like you can unlock a pair of Short Shorts for him to run around in, is it.

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ALSO, anyone using threats/demeaning/insulting language in this thread, or any other on GB, could you please turn off your computer, or go to another forum. I'm so sick of trying to have a serious discussion on the net and still reading comments like "I hope you get beat up" or "go and die". Seriously!
#46 Posted by License_To_Bill (792 posts) -
LuckyWanderDude said:
" You assume that anyone who feels the need to fit a social standard of appearance is stupid. We all have different experiences. don't be a hypocrite."
I didn't call them stupid.
#47 Posted by Binman88 (3679 posts) -
Cheapoz said:
"DeadMonkeys said:
"Cheapoz said:
I'm all for fun (like Elika's over the top outfit), but these are horridly sexist and realllllly degrading. And I don't typically get worked up about this.

Why did they take such a cute character model, and make her look so cheap. Ugh. Default costume forever, thanks.

Cheapoz
said:
And don't give me crap about "go play DOA" or whatever. Those games are intentionally that way. I don't play semi-serious/semi-bananans shooter games to get my DOA-style fill. Take that crap somewhere else.

Ashley might've had some revealing costume, but she had a suit of armour as well. There's ways to have fun without being completely demeaning.
"
Are you upset because of general sexism in games or because of this specific outfit? You seem to not care about sexism in DOA, so it can't possibly be general sexism.You're ok with Ashley having revealing costumes, as long as she had a non-revealing costume as well (which sheva also has and you are apparently using). So what's the problem here?"

Also, anyone justifying this by saying OH CHRIS IS SO BUFFED SO WHATEVER, it's not like you can unlock a pair of Short Shorts for him to run around in, is it.

But if you could, who would seriously give a fuck?
#48 Posted by LuckyWanderDude (929 posts) -
License_To_Bill said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
" You assume that anyone who feels the need to fit a social standard of appearance is stupid. We all have different experiences. don't be a hypocrite."
I didn't call them stupid. "
You said they should be wrung into hot dog meat, my mistake.
#49 Posted by License_To_Bill (792 posts) -
LuckyWanderDude said:
"License_To_Bill said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
" You assume that anyone who feels the need to fit a social standard of appearance is stupid. We all have different experiences. don't be a hypocrite."
I didn't call them stupid. "
You said they should be wrung into hot dog meat, my mistake."
That's the one. Socially inept, not stupid.
#50 Posted by LuckyWanderDude (929 posts) -
License_To_Bill said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
"License_To_Bill said:
"LuckyWanderDude said:
" You assume that anyone who feels the need to fit a social standard of appearance is stupid. We all have different experiences. don't be a hypocrite."
I didn't call them stupid. "
You said they should be wrung into hot dog meat, my mistake."
That's the one. Socially inept, not stupid."
They may be socially inept but like I said, they have reasons to be that way. Not everyone can rise above their subjective experiences. As such, plenty of worthy people are plagued by pressures that are reinforced by a sexist entertainment industry.

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