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Without strong characters or story to rely on, The Ballad of Gay Tony highlights the ways in which open-world games have been refined and improved since the original release of Grand Theft Auto IV.


 Tony Price is in the business of getting into trouble, and business is boomin'.
 Tony Price is in the business of getting into trouble, and business is boomin'.
A year and a half might not seem like much in the grand scheme of things, but in the tech-driven world of video games, it's enough to make a once-innovative game feel tired and clunky. Such is the case with The Ballad of Gay Tony, the second episode Rockstar North has released on the Xbox 360 for Grand Theft Auto IV, which continues to rely on that game's rapidly aging framework. But time isn't the only thing working against Gay Tony, as there's also an issue of quality. It's got all of the parts you'd need for the kind of hyperbolic criminal action experience GTA fans have come to expect, but there's a certain carelessness to the execution.

Like The Lost and Damned before it, The Ballad of Gay Tony takes place concurrently with the events of GTAIV, this time focusing on Luis Lopez and his business partner Tony Prince, known better within the criminal community as Gay Tony, though that's far and away the kindest name he's given. Together Lopez and Prince run a pair of high-end nightclubs in Liberty City, but a slumping economy and the maturation of LC's gay community are putting a cramp on Tony's non-stop bacchanalia of coke and pills, and the pair end up owing money to the wrong people. Despite being an ex-con and an unrepentant murderer, Luis is definitely the more reasonable and responsible of the two, and playing as Luis, it's your job to sort things out--and of course, by “sort things out,” I mean rob, blow shit up, and kill a whole mess of dudes.

 Say hello to the moral center of The Ballad of Gay Tony.
 Say hello to the moral center of The Ballad of Gay Tony.
This has emerged as one of the bothersome incongruities of the Grand Theft Auto protagonist. Like Niko Bellic and Johnny Klebitz before him, Luis Lopez is portrayed as a criminal who is a bit more insightful and self-aware than his peers, and postures as though he operates by some kind of moral code. Yet virtually every mission involves you doing the savage bidding of crazy and/or stupid characters that Luis ought to know better than to associate with. Even in comparison to Niko and Johnny, Luis comes off as kind of flat, without the thirst for revenge or the importance of brotherhood that, respectively, drove those characters. GTA protagonists are never the most interesting characters in their own games, but the fact that this isn't called The Ballad of Luis Lopez should be telling.

While the story is ostensibly about the dynamic between Tony and Luis, it also weaves in and out of the events of Grand Theft Auto IV, and the game is packed with callbacks and cameos, moreso than Lost and Damned. There are a few gems in there, but there's also a lot of forced coincidence, and at a point, it can be difficult to keep track of the extended cast of GTAIV. The Ballad of Gay Tony loosely revolves around Liberty City's nightclub lifestyle, but there's no specificity to the criminal experience being portrayed here, and it ends up feeling like a weak caricature of a good Grand Theft Auto game. Story threads about Luis' past, his relationship with his mother, and his dodgy reputation as a ladies' man are hinted at but go nowhere, and many of the colorful supporting characters are overly reminiscent of existing GTAIV characters, to the point that they actually introduce Brucie's older (but not bigger) brother Mori, whose amped-up alpha behavior simply doesn't pay the same dividends it did the first time around.

 Luis doesn't seem like the BASE jumping type, and isn't afraid to say as much.
 Luis doesn't seem like the BASE jumping type, and isn't afraid to say as much.
The gameplay in The Ballad of Gay Tony is, well, typical Grand Theft Auto stuff. If you played Grand Theft Auto IV, which is kind of a necessity before you get into Gay Tony, you're already familiar with the peculiarities of how the driving and character movement handle. The firefights tend to necessitate more judicious use of the game's cover mechanics, which feel clunkier than ever, largely because of the progress that has been made with cover mechanics by games like Uncharted 2 since the release of GTAIV. There are a few new activities you can engage in, most notably the addition of a parachute that you can use for BASE jumping, though you can also hit the driving range, engage in drug war firefights with Luis' hood friends, and go dancing in Tony and Luis' nightclubs.

Alongside the digital release of The Ballad of Gay Tony, Rockstar is putting out Grand Theft Auto: Episodes From Liberty City, which bundles both Gay Tony and The Lost and Damned onto one disc. This seems intended for players wary of or unconvinced by downloadable content, but the real value here is that you can expect market forces to push down the price of the disc much more quickly than its Microsoft-controlled digital counterparts. Considering the standalone nature of both episodes, I suppose it makes as much sense to load up that disc as the GTAIV disc to access the content.

Time and expectations have taken a certain toll on Grand Theft Auto IV, but all that aside, the bottom line for The Ballad of Gay Tony is that it's just not as good as the GTAIV experiences that preceded it. It feels like Rockstar has run out of tricks, and it has got its work cut out for it with whatever comes next for Grand Theft Auto.

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Wow, seems like a bad review.  Dragon Age gets a 5 and this gets a 3?  Well, all the more reason I don't pay attention to reviewers anymore...

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This review feels like a fanboy appeasing GTAIV apology.
 
TBoGT is one of the best games of the year, downloadable or otherwise.

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@PhatSeeJay said:
" I don't know... I have to disagree with this review... I found the main character to be quite fun and interesting. I got a feeling about a guy who's out of his element and finds a place to belong.   Well I guess I'm a bit biased to this dlc since I find Vice City to be my favorite GTA game and this pack certainly gave me those vibes again.  I found Lost and Damned to be interesting but it was just a biker guy in his element... I've always come to enjoy the GTA games for having a main character that shouldn't be where he is.   Either way I would still recomend this to anyone who owns GTA IV and/or loved Vice City. It's worth the money in my opinion. "
Good.
 
@Diamond said:
" Wow, seems like a bad review.  Dragon Age gets a 5 and this gets a 3?  Well, all the more reason I don't pay attention to reviewers anymore... "

Bad.
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@Milkman said:
@Diamond said:
" Wow, seems like a bad review.  Dragon Age gets a 5 and this gets a 3?  Well, all the more reason I don't pay attention to reviewers anymore... "
Bad.
But it's OK because the review was bad.
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@Diamond said:
" Wow, seems like a bad review.  Dragon Age gets a 5 and this gets a 3?  Well, all the more reason I don't pay attention to reviewers anymore... "
Cringeworthy.
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@Diamond: Just because you disagree with a review doesn't mean it's bad.
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Well I certainly didn't expect this.

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Edited By ch3burashka

A surprising score, considering other outlets. Then again, it's only surprising when you remember that 3 stars literally translates into a 60/100, as opposed to the 75-ish the review sounds like.

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I can see how people would think the story is not as 'tight' or whatever you want to call it, but I really enjoy the characters and the less serious, fun, crazy vibe I get from the game when I do missions. I really liked the story in GTA4, but changing it up and making it less grim was a good decision, just to keep it fresh. Bottom line is that I am having a ton of fun so far, so I personally could not this a low score. Haven't finished it yet, but if it keeps going like it is now, I'd have to rate it higher than Lost and Damned.

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@Milkman said:
" @Diamond: Just because you disagree with a review doesn't mean it's bad. "
its bad because he doesnt even bother to mention the MP, its bad because  ODST, wolfenstein, or MUA2 had similar problems of not having much innovation of change to the game play but higher scores.
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woah, this is probably the best add-on of the year, i'm surprised at the low score. sure, don't give it a five, but its definitely a solid four. I loved GTAIV, but the Ballad of Gay Tony is even more fun. The story is well paced and the missions are far more varied. the new weaponry alone makes GTAIV so much more fun. and yeah, the drug missions get repetitive, but they are SIDE MISSIONS. how come no one complained about any of the endless repetitive side missions in GTAIV? these are there so you can kill time every now and then. but seriously, 3 stars is unfair.
 
PS. I think Luis is the best protagonist in GTAIV, the only one who didn't whine all the time.

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Actually, GTA4's shooting mechanics and cover system already felt clunky and stupid on the day of its release because of the strides Gears of War made in its first universally cover system popularising try. Then we had the likes of Dark Sector and Uncharted cocking that up to different degrees but still coming out quite successful, only to see GTA4 enter the fray with a downright ludicrous attempt at it.
 
No, GTA4's gameplay was always clumsy and dumb, I guess the mass hysteria surrounding it has just waned in time. It's too bad, because everything about it except the gamey part is staggeringly awesome, and Gay Tony takes important measures to get some much needed insanity in there. Or "rediculousness" as Ryan would put it.

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@DrLove said:

" @Milkman said:

" @Diamond: Just because you disagree with a review doesn't mean it's bad. "
its bad because he doesnt even bother to mention the MP, its bad because  ODST, wolfenstein, or MUA2 had similar problems of not having much innovation of change to the game play but higher scores. "
What is actually added to the multiplayer? It's just the new weapons and vehicles but you can play with them alongside a bunch of people. What's really to note there? Even if Ryan had a small paragraph about the multiplayer, you would still be bitching so don't give me that bullshit. 
 
Second, that's the beauty of an opinion. Ryan thinks that the GTA IV gameplay is getting stale. As for the other games, the reviewers didn't feel that as much with them. That's their opinion. They're not wrong and their reviews aren't bad. Just because you and I disagree doesn't mean that these guys should give up their day jobs. 
 
Seriously people, learn to deal with the fact that people are going to look at some things differently than you. Just because you feel differently doesn't mean that you have to jump on the internet and let everyone know how much you think a review is wrong.
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@DrLove said:
" @pbhawks45 said:

" Hey look! It's Ryan Davis, Eurogamer/GiantBomb reviewer!  You want to talk about uninspired? Look at ODST. Look at Wolfenstein. Look art MUA2. Not this. So far, I've loved it. Just wish I didn't have 3 tests this week. "

+10000 i dont really know how ODST, wolfenstein, or MUA2 improved alot over what their series had done in the past yet they all got higher scores i think.  i wonder if reviews take into account $ value in their reviews. "
If that's the case, Wolfenstein on PC deserves -5 stars.
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Ryan must have a gene that will not allow him to agree with the masses. That's OK though.

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When I heard a lot of other reviews saying the story and characters fell flat in this episode yet still gave it 9+ scores I was puzzled.
 
Having recently gone back to GTA after a long hiatus I definitely agree it seems to have aged very badly in only 18 months. If the gameplay isn't up to par and the story isn't very compelling I can definitely see why Ryan would give this a 3.
 
Thanks for the warning. This has been demoted to a rental.

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@Milkman said:

" @DrLove said:

" @Milkman said:
" @Diamond: Just because you disagree with a review doesn't mean it's bad. "
its bad because he doesnt even bother to mention the MP, its bad because  ODST, wolfenstein, or MUA2 had similar problems of not having much innovation of change to the game play but higher scores. "
What is actually added to the multiplayer? It's just the new weapons and vehicles but you can play with them alongside a bunch of people. What's really to note there? Even if Ryan had a small paragraph about the multiplayer, you would still be bitching so don't give me that bullshit.   Second, that's the beauty of an opinion. Ryan thinks that the GTA IV gameplay is getting stale. As for the other games, the reviews didn't feel that as much with them. That's their opinion. They're not wrong and their reviews aren't bad. Just because you and I disagree doesn't mean that these guys should give up their day jobs.   Seriously people, learn to deal with the fact that people are going to look at some things differently than you. Just because you feel differently doesn't mean that you have to jump on the internet and let everyone know how much you think a review is wrong. "
i wasnt speaking to his OPINION i was speaking to the lack of quality in the review text (which is bad).  the new MP has new weapons, vehicles etc, but thats not what makes it interesting.  ITs the COD like killstreaks.  Also the leaderboards with per mission completion scores are interesting.  Also he didnt mention alot of the mini-games like the fight club.   
 
They flat out say in the ODST, Wolfenstein, and MUA2 that those games dont bring much new to the table. 
 
Hate the game all you want, like the game all you want, love the game all you want thats your OPINION.  But not having consistency and not writing quality text is something we shouldnt have to worry about at GB. 
  
"    Just because you feel differently doesn't mean that you have to jump on the internet and let everyone know how much you think a review is wrong"  
Umm thats kinda what message boards are for...
  
 
Also ive read some of your posts before you seem like a smart dude, no need to swear at me..
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I always thought opinions were subjective and couldn't be wrong, yet here I am staring at this review. I love Giant Bomb and the staff is awesome, but Ryan's opinion of this game is only shared by a very small minority.
 
He's entitled to his feelings towards BoGT, but I feel this review is going to steer some people away who would really enjoy the game.  Normally I would agree with people and say "Just because you disagree with his review doesn't mean it's wrong." But in this case, Ryan is just wrong.

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Good review Ryan !!

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I liked the Brutal Legend review. I didn't like this review. I could go on but other people have said or probably will say my complaints. Basically it was not that thorough of a review. Also to call out the flaws that were detrimental to the game you gave game of the year (clunky cover shooting, disconnect between morality of main character and his actions, etc) and only really call it out against this installment seems a little unfair.

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@DrLove said:
"@pbhawks45 said:

" Hey look! It's Ryan Davis, Eurogamer/GiantBomb reviewer!  You want to talk about uninspired? Look at ODST. Look at Wolfenstein. Look art MUA2. Not this. So far, I've loved it. Just wish I didn't have 3 tests this week. "

+10000 i dont really know how ODST, wolfenstein, or MUA2 improved alot over what their series had done in the past yet they all got higher scores i think.  i wonder if reviews take into account $ value in their reviews. "

Ryan never even reviewed ODST or Wolfenstein.  A lot of people of this site seem to think the GB staff are a hive mind or something. Dave gave 5 stars to DA but Ryan didn't love GTA4?! Oh noes!
 
In humans theres a little thing everyone has, an opinion, its a think fan boys don't believe in and think every hyped game must get 8 stars but then bitch about the high score after they play it for a couple of weeks.
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DUDE WHAT!!!!  A 3/5!!!!11?  
 
20 bucks for 12 hours of improved gta IV (with multiplayer) gets a 3?  It has a 91 metacritic for crying out loud.

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site:giantbomb.com ostensibly
 
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I respect your opinion but certainly do not agree with it.

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A bit surprising, but somewhat understandable depending on one's perception of the core gameplay.

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Only Wii games flop.

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Man, what a Hydro Bummer. I was really looking forward to Gay Tony too.

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100% agree with Ryan's review and will not be picking this up for my cousin as a christmas gift/something for me to play, whoever disagrees well I guess......... you disagree. There is no point to argue over the internet just because someone doesn't have the same likes and dislikes as yourself. If the GB crew gave 5 stars to every game just to please that games fan base well than this site would suck, instead, GB doesn't buy into hype and being fanboys and looks at what the game is. For $20, $40 if you get the pack, your getting more GTA4 which is great but on the other hand other games have come out that show just how flawed the core of GTA4 is. My final point is that 3/5 does not make this game terrible in any way. Fallout 3 got 4 stars on GB yet the crew played that game non stop. Why did they play it? It was fun. Did it have flaws? Of course, every game has flaws so just because it doesn't get a perfect score does not mean its not fun.Again great review Ryan keep up the good work.

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wow most of the time i agree with ryan, but i think he is wrong on pretty much every point in this review..
 
to slate a dlc on the game its working from.
 
it seems just so cruel.
 
Especially considering how much better BOGT looks compared to vanilla gta

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I find GTA 4 almost unplayable at this point.  
 
It's so fucking frustrating. The wanted system and the driving is so fucking flawed and I don't remember thinking that on my first playthrough.

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A lack of compelling characters? Everyone's welcome to an opinion but I found Gay Tony to be a loveable loser and to have finally redeemed Rockstar after their stereotypical, 2 dimensional and sometimes offensive portrayal of the only other gay character in GTA IV, Florian. It may be lighter in tone than previous entries (Yussif for one being an outlandish standout) but you seem to be assuming that GTA IV had any sort of moral integrity/storytelling maturity past the first 15 hours when it devolved into pale imitation of various gangster movies.

Yes GTA IV is clunky, yes it has not aged well but this expansion contained some of the best missions so far - the addition of the Buzzard helicopter, parachutes and NOOSE tank really do change the flow of things. It may be working within a poor framework but it manages to hold together and was far, far better than TLAD - which other than a few new guns, added NOTHING to the core gameplay experience like this does.

Plus it's $15 for 12 hours of game. 5 star? Never. 4? Maybe. 3? Just not fair.

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I normal respect the opinions of this site but this is a bullshit review.

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This is one review i totally can't agree with. Its got its much more noticable flaws as time passed, but its still just an expansion and in terms of content is a fantastic one at that.
Also i thought Luis was a really enjoyable character with all the funny one liners u expect from a GTA protagonist. Its a shame his past is annoyingly brief but just focusing on the now with Tony's problems was enough to string me along the very enjoyable storyline.
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@Metal_Mills said:
"@DrLove said:
"@pbhawks45 said:

" Hey look! It's Ryan Davis, Eurogamer/GiantBomb reviewer!  You want to talk about uninspired? Look at ODST. Look at Wolfenstein. Look art MUA2. Not this. So far, I've loved it. Just wish I didn't have 3 tests this week. "

+10000 i dont really know how ODST, wolfenstein, or MUA2 improved alot over what their series had done in the past yet they all got higher scores i think.  i wonder if reviews take into account $ value in their reviews. "
Ryan never even reviewed ODST or Wolfenstein.  A lot of people of this site seem to think the GB staff are a hive mind or something. Dave gave 5 stars to DA but Ryan didn't love GTA4?! Oh noes!  In humans theres a little thing everyone has, an opinion, its a think fan boys don't believe in and think every hyped game must get 8 stars but then bitch about the high score after they play it for a couple of weeks. "

again my problem is how this review was written.  and why some games like ODST, MUA2, and wolfenstein have the same problems as this game but  get higher scores.  I just dont think he did a good job explaining it.  thats all.
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I've been hearing a lot of praises from my friends and other reviewers, so this review really surprises me.

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the brutal legend review was a great example of a review that many people disagreed with but it was well written, and ryan backed up his point well in that review.   
 
This review was not written as well at all.  thats all im saying.
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Admittedly, only read the blurb, but I completely disagree already. I consider this the best example of writing Rockstar has put out thus far, and the characters some of the most compelling in the franchise.

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Sorry Ryan, I am still completely satisfied with GTAIV and I think it is still superior to most open world games coming out even today.  It dwarfs Prototype for example, a game which had nearly a year of extra time.  I haven't played the expansion yet, but I have no problem chucking $20 at it once I get it and enjoying it... or not.
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Weird, I thought TBoGT was great, I was way into the clubbing story and liked the checkpoints. Hmm..

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I too think Ryan is off-the-mark with this review and he probably just didn't get into the story enough.. or just really sucks at the game and didn't care to have fun with it. GTA IV is open-world and being so, it entitles the player to a lot of choices that they may or may not make. A lot of those choices will affect how the story flows in the game as you proceed from one character's mission to the next. Given that, I played Ballad of Gay Tony for fun, and not much more. I found it not only had TONS of that, but a very creative and exciting story to follow as well.  
 
Strickly speaking of the story missions.. which include missions from characters like Gay Tony, Mori, and the usual mob connected fellows - they are very creative and probably some of the most entertaining GTA missions yet. One mission has you jumping onto a plane full of bad guys only to have it blown apart in the sky minutes later.. and well, what happens after that is f'in amazing to see in a video game for the first time, even as scripted as it is.
 
So, don't let Ryan's review confuse you if you've followed GTA IV's new content up to this point.. it delivers the exciting, over-the-top kind of story, with seemingly real characters that will pull you in and show you that this is the epic finale of the GTA IV story. It seems as though all 3 games: GTAIV, LatD, and BoGT were just one big game all along, and the stories were written as such. I like the episodic direction Rockstar took with GTA IV, and hope to see more of their awesome stories.. sooner, rather than later.

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I've heard this is the best part of GTAIV...

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Could you  play this before completing the main game?  I think it would be interesting to see Niko in the background before you even knew what was going on with him.  Rashomon!
 
@Brackynews: That is hilarious :)  I wonder if there's just general skepticism of the games industry in the Giant Bomb offices

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I am now convinced it is impossible to impress Mr. Davis.

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Pretty surprised with the review. I'm not a big GTA fan, but I wouldn't mind trying the DLC packs. Maybe I'll borrow the compilation disc from a friend.

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For a much better review, check out this giantbomb user's review: 
 http://www.giantbomb.com/grand-theft-auto-iv/61-20457/user_reviews/?review=11383  
 
It does contain some mild spoilers, but if you're so interested in this game that you don't want to spoil ANY of it, then you need to hurry up and buy it already! It's just that f'in good.

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GTA IV sucks

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Good review Ryan! Speak your mind and you have two thumbs up even if I do disagree

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@Tirrandir: Agreed. I would love to see them do 2 cast member reviews of this game, since the first one wasn't so good. If Ryan wasn't into GTA IV in the first place, why have him review a game he's not going to like?
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@TheKing said:
" I normal respect the opinions of this site but this is a bullshit review. "
Same