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The Cave Review

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Ron Gilbert's lightweight morality play offers up some cleverness and challenge, but never completely coheres into a memorable whole.

At its best, Ron Gilbert and Double Fine Productions' The Cave is an intriguing oddity. It's the closest thing I've seen to a straight-up morality play in a video game, a sort of cautionary tale of greed, lust, hatred, and whatever other deadly sins you can dream up, told through the mechanics of a classic side-scrolling adventure. And at times, that concept actually proves interesting. There are more than a handful of moments in The Cave where the mechanics, the odd storytelling structure, and the game's visual style all cohere into something a little bit wonderful. Unfortunately, it's the other portions of the game you'll be spending more time with, and they're a bit less entertaining.

The Cave is a dangerous and violent place. Yet, no aspect of it is more vile than the protagonists who seek to plunder it.
The Cave is a dangerous and violent place. Yet, no aspect of it is more vile than the protagonists who seek to plunder it.

Built with the skeletal structure of a classic 2D adventure game, The Cave largely eschews that genre's tendency toward larger, overarching narrative, and instead focuses squarely on the bite-sized tales of seven protagonists, each of whom have come to the eponymous cave for fame, fortune, or some other manner of selfish pursuit. You can only pick from three of the available characters--who include, among others, a money-hungry scientist, a jauntily wrathful hillbilly, an aggressively lazy monk, and a pair of creepy, murderous twins--and once you have your team assembled, you'll have to individually navigate them all through the myriad nooks and crannies of the cave.

The Cave employs a story structure that allows its individual character stories to be woven into a larger level progression. Many sections of the game play out every time, regardless of who you choose. But in between those sections are whole levels tailored to specific characters. These are where your team's individual stories of grave robbing, parricide, or timeline altering chicanery play out.

All the while, a narrator eggs you on, pointing out the various character flaws and misdeeds of your misbegotten spelunkers like an omnipresent Rod Serling. In the game's fiction, this voice is The Cave. It is a cave with consciousness, personality, and sarcastic opinions. This is where the bulk of the game's comedy comes from, given that none of the playable characters ever speak. Mostly it's cute, clever stuff, though I can't say it ever elicited more than a few chuckles out of me. More often it's the kind of funny you acknowledge for being funny, rather than the kind you laugh out loud at.

Granted, I'll chalk at least some of that non-laughter up to my concentration on the game's puzzles. Each section of The Cave is replete with traditional adventure game puzzles. Acquiring and combining items is often the key to progression, though which items go where is often obfuscated, as one might expect. Some puzzle sections are unquestionably tougher than others. The knight character, for instance, offers up a mostly breezy level section that only requires a bit of navigational attention be paid. The time traveler, however, jumps between periods in time and offers up the kinds of causality-related puzzles that often lead to people just hating things with time travel in them.

Again, many of these puzzles are clever, challenging little buggers, but not unpleasantly so. Only the time traveler section really goes off the deep end, whereas the other levels often just require some solid critical thinking and understanding that every object and highlighted area is usually there for a reason.

The unfortunate side-effect of The Cave's level designs, however, is that they're often incapable of keeping up with the player's brain. Too many of The Cave's puzzles are solved by repeated backtracking. Which isn't to say that the environments are too huge to quickly run through again and again, but that makes it no less tedious. Especially after you've had your "aha!" moment, and find yourself having to run back and forth several times, including sections where you have to get all three of your characters into just the right place, before you can actually proceed. That last issue is negated somewhat when playing the game's offline-only coop mode (in which the camera still only focuses on one character at a time). But the disconnect in time between realizing the solution and actually bringing the solution to fruition still frequently feels overlong. In this regard, it can be difficult to really get into a rhythm with The Cave.

The art and comedy of The Cave certainly fit snugly into the traditions of the Double Fine catalog. It's just not their most engaging work.
The art and comedy of The Cave certainly fit snugly into the traditions of the Double Fine catalog. It's just not their most engaging work.

The game's multiple-playthroughs-required design doesn't necessarily help this problem. While I did have fun going back and checking out the new levels I had access to on my second playthrough, I was less enamored with having to play through the non-character-specific areas I'd already done. And I don't expect I'll be going back for a third go-around, either, due to the odd numbering of characters available. Having to replay two stories really doesn't sound appealing enough to warrant checking out that last one I haven't seen.

Which is a shame, because on my initial play-throughs, I enjoyed large swaths of what The Cave had to offer. It's a sharp-looking game, the voice acting is largely on-point and funny (if occasionally obnoxiously repetitive), and there are at least a few solid hours worth of puzzle-solving to be had here. It's just that those hours don't really add up to a whole lot in the grand scheme of things, ultimately relegating The Cave to an interesting curiosity that sadly doesn't have much sticking power. Its moral finger-wagging never really amounts to more than thematic window dressing, regardless of how you end up finishing the game, and its puzzles are just intriguing enough to keep you interested for the duration. There is most certainly fun to be had in The Cave. I just wish its promise of an eminently replayable adventure ultimately proved truer.

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After completing this game I have to say Alex nailed the review. This game was fun but not a great game. However I would still recommend it if like me you where wanting to play something on the wiiu in this post launch lull.

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@Daftronaut said:

I kinda saw this coming from the QL. In those 45 min they already had to backtrack a lot and the fact, that there is no "teleport to main character"-feature seemed really annoying. It was also looking a little clunky, for instance when Patrick dropped the postcard and couldn't pick it up or when they were unintentionally hanging from ledges.

It's too bad, I really liked the concept and Ron Gilbert is awesome. Let's hope for the best for the new DF-Adventure, I guess.

Wait... you make it sound like it's a bad game. What I gathered from the review it could have been better, but it's still a decently good game.

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good review, I feel the same way after playing the game for a little while

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@Sooty said:

Are Double Fine ever going to go back to releasing straight up bigger budget games? I don't think I've enjoyed any of their downloadable offerings to date.

If they can avoid the screwed up situation they had with EA regarding the marketing of Brutal Legend, then maybe they'll come back to bigger budget games.

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At the very least it's not Deathspank so it's proof that Ron Gilbert is still capable of making interesting games. I think the real problem with the game is the back tracking and, potentially, that feeling that it was solid but could have been better and never congealed into a bigger/better whole. As far as it "fitting" with DoubleFine, I think in creativity it does but in gameplay, as Alex said, is not up to the level of Stacking, Costume Quest, or Iron Brigade. Those were solid games backed up by great creative, The Cave seems like an okay game with solid creativity. One step below and gets a 3 star review (when all those other games get 4 or more).

Sure it's a bummer because we all want to love The Cave as a sort of comeback for Ron but it's not really (at least for Alex) and I'm not surprised if many others feel the same. With that said, I'm really hoping for a lot more of the crew to play it to hear their opinion. After all it's happened that Alex's opinion doesn't necessarily reflect what the Bombcast finds compelling. Who knows, maybe one of them will fall in love with it and sell it better to the community but I think Alex effectively outlines what he found wrong with it and what one could find wrong with it if you were to play it.

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Might pick this up during the next Steam sale.

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I think I'll still get it. Monkey Island 1 & 2 was one of my first video game experiences and as that was given to us by a family friend I will jump at any opportunity to give Ron Gilbert my money. The ideas in it sound like they have promise. And if only to explore them for what they are and encourage Ron to keep on going I'll pick it up when I can.

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I'll give this one a miss and watch a let's play of it.

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Played maybe two hours of The Cave thus far, and I definitely relate to the frustration of the lag time between figuring out the solution to a puzzle and then slowly backtracking to all the relevant locations to actually solve the damn thing. If I had one mechanical suggestion that I think would fix most of my dissatisfaction of The Cave it would be "hold down RT to run slightly faster". If you ran at say, 1.3 times normal speed it would make it seem like I can tell the game "I got it, now let's solve this bad boy!" in some meaningful way instead of just slowly jogging to every location. The lackadaisical movement speed of this game is driving me crazy right now. I know its focus isn't on being a platformer, but if they are going to design such large areas with such an emphasis placed on backtracking, the least they could do is help expediate that process.

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I think this game has a great artistic style and a really unique charm, but the mechanics look clunky and its very hard to make repeated backtracking fun in any game. It certainly looks interesting and humorous, but this looks more like a game to pick up on a sale

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Your writing is always a joy to read, Alex. Thanks!

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I'm enjoying it so far... and I love the look. Definitely streamlined adventure gaming. Some of the backtracking can be avoided by keeping the three players in different parts of the map, but much of what he says rings true.

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Excellent review, as usual Alex.

I really appreciate how GB sticks to it's guns even after having a QL EX with the developer too.

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I was thinking of picking this up, but i'm going to try the trial out first and then go from there.

Great review though, made me consider my direct purchase and to try it out first!

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I kinda saw this coming from the QL. In those 45 min they already had to backtrack a lot and the fact, that there is no "teleport to main character"-feature seemed really annoying. It was also looking a little clunky, for instance when Patrick dropped the postcard and couldn't pick it up or when they were unintentionally hanging from ledges.

It's too bad, I really liked the concept and Ron Gilbert is awesome. Let's hope for the best for the new DF-Adventure, I guess.

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@Karkarov said:

@HellBound said:

@Xeirus said:

@Veektarius said:

Shot in the heart. Bring down one of the biggest names of gaming's yesteryear and then slap him with an average review the next day.

A bad game is a bad game, having an interview with someone shouldn't change that.

Since when is 3 stars a bad game let alone where does it say in this review that it is a bad game?

Uh 3 stars doesn't say "bad game" but it does say "not a good game".

According to the GB review system, not really. It's essentially "I don't know". Sure, Metacritic translates it to a number, but it only shows how stupid that entire system is and that reviewers should just move on to idiosyncratic scoring systems, if only to make the aggregates completely irrelevant.
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Huh. Guess I'll buy this.

I was expecting a 4 or higher, and was prepared to say to myself "Just as I expected! I will buy and play this game when I have the time!"

But because it got a 3... I want to play this game more. And now.

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The Cave's meh.

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I had the exact same thoughts when watching that QL as Alex seems to have had from playing: there's fun to be had in the story and puzzles of this game, but there's so much excess time-wasting in it that it's a shame it couldn't have been packaged into a better product. Especially with the 3 characters for each playthrough setup with 7 available characters... that's just poor design.

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Are Double Fine ever going to go back to releasing straight up bigger budget games? I don't think I've enjoyed any of their downloadable offerings to date.

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@Superfriend said:

Cut the art, cut the sound, cut the goddamn music- as long as you have Ron Gilbert doing an adventure game. That is why people have backed the kickstarter: Gilbert and Schafer working on an adventure.

Tonally, it seemed like cutting anyone from DFA would cripple that game. Art has bare-minimum staff, sound has no proper team, there's like a programmer, a scripter, and Tim. Sure, you could put Gilbert on that team, but the game may not have audio. :P

@MormonWarrior said:

I heard Psychonauts talked up a bunch, and I liked the characters and visuals and stuff but it was a clunky, bad platformer that was a chore to play.

Psychonauts is my favourite platformer. :(

Levitation is the best addition to the 3D platformer since camera control. :P

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Gotta agree with a few people's comments - looks like this would have worked much better as a light traditional adventure game with an interesting multiplayer angle. Just cut all the platforming, shorten it and sell it cheap. Coulda been a classic.

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Seems like The Cave fits incredibly snugly with Double Fine's catalog. It's intriguing, cute, and inventive in concept but ultimately not that fun as a game. Like every single Double Fine game, pretty much. It's too bad because I really want to love their games for their creativity and charm but they basically never deliver when it comes to gameplay. I heard Psychonauts talked up a bunch, and I liked the characters and visuals and stuff but it was a clunky, bad platformer that was a chore to play. Stacking never sat right with me from any perspective. Costume Quest was cute and fun, but I literally played it for an hour or two on Halloween and haven't been compelled to go back. I have Iron Brigade but nobody to play it with so it's at best a kind of fun twist on tower defense with some clever humor in there. I dunno...it really bums me out that their games don't turn out better.

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@Xeirus said:

@Veektarius said:

Shot in the heart. Bring down one of the biggest names of gaming's yesteryear and then slap him with an average review the next day.

A bad game is a bad game, having an interview with someone shouldn't change that.

Since when is 3 stars a bad game let alone where does it say in this review that it is a bad game?

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@Fram said:

In this day and age, a 3 star review (ie 60/100 in stupid granular land) means stay away from this game. This is a perfect example of why people should actually read reviews, and that knowing the reviewer's personality really pays off. I know I'm going to enjoy this game, but I know there are caveats too, and the score reflects that.

I concur. My own opinion is that I regard the existing star system as valid only to this site. The written review is what matters at Giant Bomb. Seems to me this is probably a decent game. I bet some would get quite a lot out of it, others not so much. I do believe this is what I am being informed and why.

Personally, I can have trouble with Double Fine games, yet I like what they try to do and often how they do it so much. So I admit to judging because of past games, and this review sounds right...to me.

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I was going to get this but I've been reading the reviews online and also watched a review on YouTube. It looks like I will wait until it's on discount.

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@TheHT: Yes. And they have stated in the documentary (of the kickstarter game) that a large part of next year, and potentially part of the studio's future is hanging on that game. It needs to be good.

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In this day and age, a 3 star review (ie 60/100 in stupid granular land) means stay away from this game. This is a perfect example of why people should actually read reviews, and that knowing the reviewer's personality really pays off. I know I'm going to enjoy this game, but I know there are caveats too, and the score reflects that.

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I'll be picking this one up on the WiiU - primarily based on the QL. Alex's review sounds fair - and 3 stars means it's good... which is some cases means it's great to some.

Good review - looking forward to playing this game.

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@TheHT: Yeah, the Kickstarter game doesn't have a real title (other than the team name, "Reds"), so it's just called Double Fine Adventure.

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Not too surprising from what I've seen from the quick look. They did a lot of backtracking and such, and that was with THREE people playing. I can only imagine doing that all by myself. Seems to be worth it for dialogue, environment, atmosphere etc. but probably won't be up there as a big game for Double Fine. Stacking still remains their masterpiece.

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If 3-star reviews are difficult to write then I didn't get that from this one. Good job Alex, I got a lot out of this.

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@zoozilla said:

@Superfriend said:

@DrFlapjack said:

@Superfriend said:

Okay, now that this game is out of the way- can Doublefine PLEASE get that adventure game going?

They didn't postpone the adventure game to put this out, they have multiple teams working on multiple games. This type of game has never been my cup of tea, but maybe I'll check it out with a co-op buddy.

This isn´t about some other team working on the game. This is about Ron Gilbert and Tim Schafer. Those two need to focus as much attention as possible on that adventure game. It needs to be good.

I don´t want to sound overly dramatic, but I feel like a lot is at stake here. Maybe- just maybe oldschool adventure games could come back in some way if this is a success. If it isn´t - well, there will still be "streamlined" adventure games, or games with adventure elements like The Cave. But it won´t be the same.

Have you been watching the documentary updates they've been putting out?

Suffice it to say, they are well aware that the Double Fine Adventure is a big deal. The future of Double Fine could change drastically based on its reception.

That's the Kickstarter game right? Not this?

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@project343 said:

@Superfriend said:

Okay, now that this game is out of the way- can Doublefine PLEASE get that adventure game going?

The Cave doesn´t look bad, but it´s typical Doublefine for me: A lot of potential, a lot of charme but seriously flawed in the execution department. Plus, I really feel like this game doesn´t need the half assed jump and run parts. Without them, it would almost be like a Maniac Mansion-lite type game. Three characters, puzzles, weird humor.

You know that there are multiple teams at DoubleFine, right? The core Adventure team has been working hard for a while now. Judging by the recent budgeting concerns detailed in their last documentary episode, I imagine that they won't be bringing The Cave staff onboard to finish that up (mostly because they can't afford it).

I know they have a lot of people on staff and multiple teams. I don´t care about the teams. Ron Gilbert needs to be involved as much as possible in the Doublefine Adventure. No matter what people say about him, I think he´s a goddamn genius and he needs to work on proper adventure games. Cut the art, cut the sound, cut the goddamn music- as long as you have Ron Gilbert doing an adventure game. That is why people have backed the kickstarter: Gilbert and Schafer working on an adventure.

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@Superfriend said:

Okay, now that this game is out of the way- can Doublefine PLEASE get that adventure game going?

The Cave doesn´t look bad, but it´s typical Doublefine for me: A lot of potential, a lot of charme but seriously flawed in the execution department. Plus, I really feel like this game doesn´t need the half assed jump and run parts. Without them, it would almost be like a Maniac Mansion-lite type game. Three characters, puzzles, weird humor.

You know that there are multiple teams at DoubleFine, right? The core Adventure team has been working hard for a while now. Judging by the recent budgeting concerns detailed in their last documentary episode, I imagine that they won't be bringing The Cave staff onboard to finish that up (mostly because they can't afford it).

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Seems like my one concern with this game was a sad reality. It always looked a bit aimless... a shame that that amounts to something that lacks significant coherence.

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I thought it was just me. I could barely make it through the quick look. No real danger in the gameplay, no real penalties, no skill required, just didn't look all that fun to play. The animation looked really cool though and the environments were nice.

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@Superfriend said:

@DrFlapjack said:

@Superfriend said:

Okay, now that this game is out of the way- can Doublefine PLEASE get that adventure game going?

They didn't postpone the adventure game to put this out, they have multiple teams working on multiple games. This type of game has never been my cup of tea, but maybe I'll check it out with a co-op buddy.

This isn´t about some other team working on the game. This is about Ron Gilbert and Tim Schafer. Those two need to focus as much attention as possible on that adventure game. It needs to be good.

I don´t want to sound overly dramatic, but I feel like a lot is at stake here. Maybe- just maybe oldschool adventure games could come back in some way if this is a success. If it isn´t - well, there will still be "streamlined" adventure games, or games with adventure elements like The Cave. But it won´t be the same.

Have you been watching the documentary updates they've been putting out?

Suffice it to say, they are well aware that the Double Fine Adventure is a big deal. The future of Double Fine could change drastically based on its reception.

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I'm still gona try and get this game if my budget allows it. I really liked the humor and the characters in the quick look.

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@DrFlapjack said:

@Superfriend said:

Okay, now that this game is out of the way- can Doublefine PLEASE get that adventure game going?

They didn't postpone the adventure game to put this out, they have multiple teams working on multiple games. This type of game has never been my cup of tea, but maybe I'll check it out with a co-op buddy.

This isn´t about some other team working on the game. This is about Ron Gilbert and Tim Schafer. Those two need to focus as much attention as possible on that adventure game. It needs to be good.

I don´t want to sound overly dramatic, but I feel like a lot is at stake here. Maybe- just maybe oldschool adventure games could come back in some way if this is a success. If it isn´t - well, there will still be "streamlined" adventure games, or games with adventure elements like The Cave. But it won´t be the same.

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@Superfriend said:

Okay, now that this game is out of the way- can Doublefine PLEASE get that adventure game going?

They didn't postpone the adventure game to put this out, they have multiple teams working on multiple games. This type of game has never been my cup of tea, but maybe I'll check it out with a co-op buddy.

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I've been playing The Cave for a few days now and I'm loving it. Playing alone isn't the best way to play it (always backtracking can be a drag), but it's still one of the most interessting games I've played in the last twelve months. I also genuinely laughed quite a bit with the writing in the game.

For me it's a very solid 4 star game. It's also much more a platformer with puzzle elements than an 'adventure' game.

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Still want to play this. Will wait for a sale or this summer though now.

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I saw enough in the QLEX to make me still feel good about preordering this for under a tenner. Alex's tastes definitely don't align with my own, based on past reviews, however he delineates his criticisms well here. Those criticisms still seem like things that I would probably consider minor in a game of this type.

As for those not liking 'cohere': please go to hell and preferably read some books on the journey.

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I have to be honest: the game didn't look that good during the QL. It wasn't that bad either. I haven't tried it yet, but I have to kinda agree with Alex. It looks like a good game with some noticeable flaws that weight it down.

Stil, Double Fine is one of the few developers I really, honestly like, so I have no problem lowering my expectations once in a while. I'll get The Cave and judge it myself, though I don't think I will be (too) disappointed by it.

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@Veektarius said:

Shot in the heart. Bring down one of the biggest names of gaming's yesteryear and then slap him with an average review the next day.

This is why I trust Alex's reviews.

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Thought this game looked dull in the QL, but they didn't want to say anything because the developers were there.

It looks like a platformer, nothing about this looked like an adventure game.

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I already purchased it on Steam, and am not worried about it despite the review. For $15, I'm sure I'll get my money's worth.

The back tracking looks like it could be annoying, but I've been playing adventure games since the dawn of time, so I'm used to it. I wish they hadn't gone with the odd number of characters(6 or 9 would've been ideal) though it sounds like different characters will solve the character-specific areas differently(ie: the scientist being really helpful in the hill billy storyline).

At the end of the day, I just like supporting independent developers who produce unique content... even if it isn't always perfect. Plus, Ron Gilbert co-created the first game I ever finished by myself when I was a kid(Secret of Monkey Island). I'll buy anything he makes... except DeathSpank.

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Still going to get this for sure!