2011: Year of Disappointing Sequels?

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Posted by Mento (2495 posts) -

Or am I just getting grumpier? It's difficult to broach the subject of whether or not a sequel to a game is of lesser quality than the original: So much is dependent on the very nature of sequels, and how there will always be diminishing returns from those same beats and nuances that were once so powerful in their (relative) originality. When a game's sequel is functionally identical, perhaps excepting a few bells and whistles and a whole new plot, does it not immediately pale in comparison to its forebear? Is it possible that a sequel can be better from a purely mechanical perspective, and were one to play the sequel first instead it would be just as enjoyable an experience, if not more so?

It's these sorts of dilemmas that make it tricky for me (and professional game critics too, I can only imagine) to objectively rate a new game in a franchise with a strong pedigree if it decides to stay the course and make no major changes, lest those changes disturb that winning formula in some way. When a flawed - but still decent enough to be worthy of a sequel - game takes strides to improve everything that was wrong and belt out an amazing sequel that fixes almost everything, such was the case with Dark Cloud 2 or Pikmin 2 for example, it receives well-deserved accolades aplenty for a job well done. There should be no such brownie points for just treading water with a franchise, though, I believe.

So I'm going to talk about a few of the games I've played this year that were direct sequels. There was no shortage of those in 2011, fortunately for this blog post if unfortunate for other reasons. This also raises the question about why I keep setting myself up for disappointment by playing sequels, but I digress.

Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception

The QTE Brute fights were somehow both a new feature and a very familiar one.

It's currently perceived as entirely too trendy to underrate the newest adventure of Messrs. Drake and Sullivan, as many publications have been wont to do of late. For the record, setting aside my own issues with this game for a moment, I agree with Brad's 5-star rating for this game. I've always perceived a 5-star rated game as one you could happily recommend to a complete stranger who had never played a video game before. If you'd never played an Uncharted game before, UC3 is entirely capable of rocking you like a hurricane.

My own personal problems with this game are both legion and insignificant, so I won't be going into too much detail in case I sound too much like a complainypants. Generally, I felt the traversal lacked some of its original player-friendly "I'll just fix that slightly off-angle jump for you" accuracy, I missed having that bonus achievement meta-game in the single player where'd you raise cash for multiplayer items and other bonus features, and that the online was completely closed off to me since I was a cheapskate for renting a 10 hour long game instead of buying it new. These are all minor complaints though, and could be countered by how the game cleverly used the character of Cutter in its marketing and later in the game itself, or the many set-pieces that were just as thrilling and cinematic as those in Uncharted 2.

However, the most self-evident and therefore damning thing I could say about this game was that I reached the conclusion of the story and did not want to jump back in on a higher difficulty. That was not the case with UC2, or even many lesser action-adventure games I'd played through twice or more before now. I had simply had my fill of this one. I don't know what that says, exactly, but it's probably not positive.

InFamous 2

I straight up hated these things.

I'm not just picking on games Brad's given 5 stars to, just to be clear here. But inFamous 2 is, like Uncharted 3, another sequel that didn't really do anything new and ultimately felt like a lesser product as a result. I could list my issues with the game again, but it's largely pointless: Most of them are either subjective (such as my inward sigh whenever large monsters appeared and I had to once again follow the unchanging routines to bring them down) or were evident in the first game (such as the flawed karma system) or both (Zeke).

I don't believe the second game was objectively better. I think there were more than a few missteps here and there, but also there were several balance fixers and an attempt to meet the fans' requests that Cole have more fights with bigger monsters and other supervillains. It might well vary from person to person.

Dragon Age 2

Tyrio.. uh, Varric was wasted on this game.

Just so I'm not torturing myself with wondering if these sequels are fine and I'm just being weirdly dismissive of them with crazyperson accusations, I'll move onto a sequel that was unanimously considered worse for many of the same reasons I have for disliking the ones listed above: Simply that they seemed to have been rushed to meet the crushing demands and expectations that the former game's development didn't have to languish under, while it was still a new (or yet unproven) IP. While many confess to liking this game, myself included, it's a mere shadow of its original in almost every aspect: Story, characters, combat (possibly debatable: I could not abide the Gauntlet-style enemy spawning, personally) and the overall diminished level of complexity.

However, and this might undermine the point I've been making so far, Dragon Age 2 was a sequel that did decide to do things markedly different to its ancestor in an attempt to stand out. So maybe treading water is the ideal solution after all, especially if the only other option is drowning.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution

Damn right I asked for this.

I'm just going to end with one game that took pains to embrace the gameplay philosophy of a highly regarded but fairly ancient (in terms of how fast game technology seems to age at least) PC game. Human Revolution, I felt, did a spectacular job in bringing Deus Ex to the current generation: It was just as happy to change aspects of the original Deus Ex to bring it up to modern standards as it was to simply ape what endeared the 2000 game to so many. Of all the sequels I played this year, this was probably my favorite. Or Dark Souls.

I've probably not blown anyone's minds with a diatribe about how sequels are kind of bad, but I do wonder why it seemed so much more pronounced this year. Video game sequels frequently surpass their originals, due in part to fixing up mechanical issues and listening/responding to complaints, so this recent spate is a little dispiriting. Maybe I am just imagining it though.

Thanks for reading one duder's 1000-word-long "what is video game" existential crisis, and please feel free to state your opinions on the games I've mentioned and how you believe they stack up against their precursors. No seriously, do that, because I'm feeling like a jaded pessimist at the moment.

EDIT: Okay, taking into account the comments and "this was a good sequel" contributions of many dissenting and (thankfully) polite GBers, I'll briefly go over all the other sequels I played this year:

Dead Space 2 - Fine game, did everything a sequel was supposed to in terms of expanding the world and fixing some of the issues people had with the first game. If I have any reservations, they're about how much of the larger plot is being directed by the various spin-offs and multimedia. I'm wondering how long it'll take for the video games to start directly referencing important events from those sources. Not a real complaint, I'll readily acknowledge.

Portal 2 - Had pacing issues, because it was so much larger, but overall a great game and worthy sequel.

Arkham City - Actually preferred this to the original, but perhaps for the wrong reasons (I enjoyed the highly expanded Riddler/Side-Quest stuff).

Saints Row 3 & Skyrim - I'll be joining a great many of you in playing these games to death when they show up next week and after.

Witcher 2 - Still dying to play this. It'll either involve waiting until I get a PC, or until that 360 port shows up.

I think my chief error (among many, perhaps) was that the phrasing of the name of this blog post made it sound like an incendiary generalization. Of course not every sequel this year was disappointing, and if there were some that--subjectively--failed to deliver, it's only because of the sheer number of them made it statistically probable. I'm just blanking on why these particular ones didn't appeal as much as their originals did, when so many others were as awesome if not better this time around.

So yeah, next week I'm going back to my goofy nonsense topics and knocking it off with my poorly thought out rabble-rousing. Also comics!

BONUS COMICS!

The Binding of Isaac

(Probably helps if you've seen this first)

I originally made a comic about how this game randomly deletes information. But I deleted it for no reason.

Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception

Also stolen: Kessler's PS3.

Deus Ex

Never trust vents. They have their own agendas.
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#1 Edited by Mento (2495 posts) -

Or am I just getting grumpier? It's difficult to broach the subject of whether or not a sequel to a game is of lesser quality than the original: So much is dependent on the very nature of sequels, and how there will always be diminishing returns from those same beats and nuances that were once so powerful in their (relative) originality. When a game's sequel is functionally identical, perhaps excepting a few bells and whistles and a whole new plot, does it not immediately pale in comparison to its forebear? Is it possible that a sequel can be better from a purely mechanical perspective, and were one to play the sequel first instead it would be just as enjoyable an experience, if not more so?

It's these sorts of dilemmas that make it tricky for me (and professional game critics too, I can only imagine) to objectively rate a new game in a franchise with a strong pedigree if it decides to stay the course and make no major changes, lest those changes disturb that winning formula in some way. When a flawed - but still decent enough to be worthy of a sequel - game takes strides to improve everything that was wrong and belt out an amazing sequel that fixes almost everything, such was the case with Dark Cloud 2 or Pikmin 2 for example, it receives well-deserved accolades aplenty for a job well done. There should be no such brownie points for just treading water with a franchise, though, I believe.

So I'm going to talk about a few of the games I've played this year that were direct sequels. There was no shortage of those in 2011, fortunately for this blog post if unfortunate for other reasons. This also raises the question about why I keep setting myself up for disappointment by playing sequels, but I digress.

Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception

The QTE Brute fights were somehow both a new feature and a very familiar one.

It's currently perceived as entirely too trendy to underrate the newest adventure of Messrs. Drake and Sullivan, as many publications have been wont to do of late. For the record, setting aside my own issues with this game for a moment, I agree with Brad's 5-star rating for this game. I've always perceived a 5-star rated game as one you could happily recommend to a complete stranger who had never played a video game before. If you'd never played an Uncharted game before, UC3 is entirely capable of rocking you like a hurricane.

My own personal problems with this game are both legion and insignificant, so I won't be going into too much detail in case I sound too much like a complainypants. Generally, I felt the traversal lacked some of its original player-friendly "I'll just fix that slightly off-angle jump for you" accuracy, I missed having that bonus achievement meta-game in the single player where'd you raise cash for multiplayer items and other bonus features, and that the online was completely closed off to me since I was a cheapskate for renting a 10 hour long game instead of buying it new. These are all minor complaints though, and could be countered by how the game cleverly used the character of Cutter in its marketing and later in the game itself, or the many set-pieces that were just as thrilling and cinematic as those in Uncharted 2.

However, the most self-evident and therefore damning thing I could say about this game was that I reached the conclusion of the story and did not want to jump back in on a higher difficulty. That was not the case with UC2, or even many lesser action-adventure games I'd played through twice or more before now. I had simply had my fill of this one. I don't know what that says, exactly, but it's probably not positive.

InFamous 2

I straight up hated these things.

I'm not just picking on games Brad's given 5 stars to, just to be clear here. But inFamous 2 is, like Uncharted 3, another sequel that didn't really do anything new and ultimately felt like a lesser product as a result. I could list my issues with the game again, but it's largely pointless: Most of them are either subjective (such as my inward sigh whenever large monsters appeared and I had to once again follow the unchanging routines to bring them down) or were evident in the first game (such as the flawed karma system) or both (Zeke).

I don't believe the second game was objectively better. I think there were more than a few missteps here and there, but also there were several balance fixers and an attempt to meet the fans' requests that Cole have more fights with bigger monsters and other supervillains. It might well vary from person to person.

Dragon Age 2

Tyrio.. uh, Varric was wasted on this game.

Just so I'm not torturing myself with wondering if these sequels are fine and I'm just being weirdly dismissive of them with crazyperson accusations, I'll move onto a sequel that was unanimously considered worse for many of the same reasons I have for disliking the ones listed above: Simply that they seemed to have been rushed to meet the crushing demands and expectations that the former game's development didn't have to languish under, while it was still a new (or yet unproven) IP. While many confess to liking this game, myself included, it's a mere shadow of its original in almost every aspect: Story, characters, combat (possibly debatable: I could not abide the Gauntlet-style enemy spawning, personally) and the overall diminished level of complexity.

However, and this might undermine the point I've been making so far, Dragon Age 2 was a sequel that did decide to do things markedly different to its ancestor in an attempt to stand out. So maybe treading water is the ideal solution after all, especially if the only other option is drowning.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution

Damn right I asked for this.

I'm just going to end with one game that took pains to embrace the gameplay philosophy of a highly regarded but fairly ancient (in terms of how fast game technology seems to age at least) PC game. Human Revolution, I felt, did a spectacular job in bringing Deus Ex to the current generation: It was just as happy to change aspects of the original Deus Ex to bring it up to modern standards as it was to simply ape what endeared the 2000 game to so many. Of all the sequels I played this year, this was probably my favorite. Or Dark Souls.

I've probably not blown anyone's minds with a diatribe about how sequels are kind of bad, but I do wonder why it seemed so much more pronounced this year. Video game sequels frequently surpass their originals, due in part to fixing up mechanical issues and listening/responding to complaints, so this recent spate is a little dispiriting. Maybe I am just imagining it though.

Thanks for reading one duder's 1000-word-long "what is video game" existential crisis, and please feel free to state your opinions on the games I've mentioned and how you believe they stack up against their precursors. No seriously, do that, because I'm feeling like a jaded pessimist at the moment.

EDIT: Okay, taking into account the comments and "this was a good sequel" contributions of many dissenting and (thankfully) polite GBers, I'll briefly go over all the other sequels I played this year:

Dead Space 2 - Fine game, did everything a sequel was supposed to in terms of expanding the world and fixing some of the issues people had with the first game. If I have any reservations, they're about how much of the larger plot is being directed by the various spin-offs and multimedia. I'm wondering how long it'll take for the video games to start directly referencing important events from those sources. Not a real complaint, I'll readily acknowledge.

Portal 2 - Had pacing issues, because it was so much larger, but overall a great game and worthy sequel.

Arkham City - Actually preferred this to the original, but perhaps for the wrong reasons (I enjoyed the highly expanded Riddler/Side-Quest stuff).

Saints Row 3 & Skyrim - I'll be joining a great many of you in playing these games to death when they show up next week and after.

Witcher 2 - Still dying to play this. It'll either involve waiting until I get a PC, or until that 360 port shows up.

I think my chief error (among many, perhaps) was that the phrasing of the name of this blog post made it sound like an incendiary generalization. Of course not every sequel this year was disappointing, and if there were some that--subjectively--failed to deliver, it's only because of the sheer number of them made it statistically probable. I'm just blanking on why these particular ones didn't appeal as much as their originals did, when so many others were as awesome if not better this time around.

So yeah, next week I'm going back to my goofy nonsense topics and knocking it off with my poorly thought out rabble-rousing. Also comics!

BONUS COMICS!

The Binding of Isaac

(Probably helps if you've seen this first)

I originally made a comic about how this game randomly deletes information. But I deleted it for no reason.

Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception

Also stolen: Kessler's PS3.

Deus Ex

Never trust vents. They have their own agendas.
Moderator
#2 Posted by Godzilla_Sushi (1084 posts) -

Well, Uncharted 3 is pretty good for what we hope is the last time.

I actually think it was a strong year for sequels.

Dead Space 2 (My personal game of the year)

Modern Warfare 3

Gears of War 3

Forza 4

Skyrim

Batman: Arkham City

Portal 2

Mortal Kombat

That's a very strong list of sequels for 2011!

#3 Posted by MooseyMcMan (10821 posts) -

I disagree. I think 2011 is the year of awesome sequels.

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#4 Posted by FancySoapsMan (5813 posts) -
@MooseyMcMan said:

I disagree. I think 2011 is the year of awesome sequels.

#5 Posted by Pr1mus (3855 posts) -

I think you got 2011 confused with 2012. Halo 4 is only coming out next year.

Flameshield on!

#6 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

I'm not sure why you focus so much on change. 
Yes, changes are great in sequels, we shouldn't play the same thing again and again, but that doesn't make changes essential and crucial for a sequel to be legit. 
But then again, what do you mean by change? There are so many factors and variables that I'd rather not generalize but discuss the "changes" of each sequel separately. 
 
Overall I'm very pleased with the sequels I've played so far, because they changed enough to make the experience feel fresh, yet they gave me so much of what the original games gave me, which is the reason I bought their sequels.  
 
 
By the way, Crysis 2 sucks hardcore. Just thought i'd throw that out there.

#7 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

Diminishing return? Oh god. I'll just say that I'll argue the hell out of this topic, mainly because I can't read anything else in this blog (I haven't played any of these games).

#8 Posted by DarthOrange (3857 posts) -

I disagree with you on inFamous 2 (my game of the year so far). That game was fantastic and had a heavy ending that felt meaningful, along with cool new powers. Resistance 3 was another fantastic sequel. Uncharted 3's story wasn't the best in the series but the multiplayer made up for any single player shortcomings. Disappointment is totally subjective.

@Godzilla_Sushi said:

Well, Uncharted 3 is pretty good for what we hope is the last time.

I actually think it was a strong year for sequels.

Dead Space 2 (My personal game of the year)

Modern Warfare 3

Gears of War 3

Forza 4

Skyrim

Batman: Arkham City

Portal 2

Mortal Kombat

That's a very strong list of sequels for 2011!

How do you know skyrim and modern warfare won't come out and be total crap? are you from the future?!?!?!?!?

#9 Posted by MasturbatingestBear (1189 posts) -

@DarthOrange said:

I disagree with you on inFamous 2 (my game of the year so far). That game was fantastic and had a heavy ending that felt meaningful, along with cool new powers. Resistance 3 was another fantastic sequel. Uncharted 3's story wasn't the best in the series but the multiplayer made up for any single player shortcomings. Disappointment is totally subjective.

@Godzilla_Sushi said:

Well, Uncharted 3 is pretty good for what we hope is the last time.

I actually think it was a strong year for sequels.

Dead Space 2 (My personal game of the year)

Modern Warfare 3

Gears of War 3

Forza 4

Skyrim

Batman: Arkham City

Portal 2

Mortal Kombat

That's a very strong list of sequels for 2011!

How do you know skyrim and modern warfare won't come out and be total crap? are you from the future?!?!?!?!?

He's from the near future.

#10 Posted by Cloudenvy (5891 posts) -

I disagree.

#11 Posted by Godzilla_Sushi (1084 posts) -

@DarthOrange said:

I disagree with you on inFamous 2 (my game of the year so far). That game was fantastic and had a heavy ending that felt meaningful, along with cool new powers. Resistance 3 was another fantastic sequel. Uncharted 3's story wasn't the best in the series but the multiplayer made up for any single player shortcomings. Disappointment is totally subjective.

@Godzilla_Sushi said:

Well, Uncharted 3 is pretty good for what we hope is the last time.

I actually think it was a strong year for sequels.

Dead Space 2 (My personal game of the year)

Modern Warfare 3

Gears of War 3

Forza 4

Skyrim

Batman: Arkham City

Portal 2

Mortal Kombat

That's a very strong list of sequels for 2011!

How do you know skyrim and modern warfare won't come out and be total crap? are you from the future?!?!?!?!?

Oh give me a break. If I was betting on the quality of any game it would be developed by Bethesda and Infinity Ward. I'll tell you what.....if those two games come out and are total crap, you can ban my account. ;)

#12 Posted by Dagbiker (6957 posts) -

im from the future and let me tell you the places this thread goes, oh boy. also i think there have been some very good sequels, as well as bad sequels. but not unlike any other year. i guess i should go before this thread gets locked for the down right dirty places this goes.

#13 Edited by RE_Player1 (7557 posts) -

@MooseyMcMan said:

I disagree. I think 2011 is the year of awesome sequels.

Me too. I can see why you were let down with Infamous 2, although the game controlled way better than the first in my opinion, but Uncharted 3, while not ground breaking like the second game, was still amazing. Some of my favourite moments of the year were from Uncharted 3.

Also if you want to talk disappointing sequels, while not as critically acclaimed as the series you've mentioned, Crysis 2, Fear 3, and Killzone 3 (although I do love the online) come to mind.

#14 Posted by Hailinel (24271 posts) -

@Godzilla_Sushi said:

@DarthOrange said:

I disagree with you on inFamous 2 (my game of the year so far). That game was fantastic and had a heavy ending that felt meaningful, along with cool new powers. Resistance 3 was another fantastic sequel. Uncharted 3's story wasn't the best in the series but the multiplayer made up for any single player shortcomings. Disappointment is totally subjective.

@Godzilla_Sushi said:

Well, Uncharted 3 is pretty good for what we hope is the last time.

I actually think it was a strong year for sequels.

Dead Space 2 (My personal game of the year)

Modern Warfare 3

Gears of War 3

Forza 4

Skyrim

Batman: Arkham City

Portal 2

Mortal Kombat

That's a very strong list of sequels for 2011!

How do you know skyrim and modern warfare won't come out and be total crap? are you from the future?!?!?!?!?

Oh give me a break. If I was betting on the quality of any game it would be developed by Bethesda and Infinity Ward. I'll tell you what.....if those two games come out and are total crap, you can ban my account. ;)

You do realize that Infinity War is no longer the Infinity Ward it once was, right? That's not to say that Modern Warfare 3 won't live up to the previous games in any way, but the talent at the developer is largely different these days.

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#15 Posted by spankingaddict (2660 posts) -

@MooseyMcMan said:

I disagree. I think 2011 is the year of awesome sequels.

Thank the Lord ! Someone that's sane !

I know it's just opinions , but man there are a lot of whinning gamers right now .. More than usual

#16 Posted by Godzilla_Sushi (1084 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

@Godzilla_Sushi said:

@DarthOrange said:

I disagree with you on inFamous 2 (my game of the year so far). That game was fantastic and had a heavy ending that felt meaningful, along with cool new powers. Resistance 3 was another fantastic sequel. Uncharted 3's story wasn't the best in the series but the multiplayer made up for any single player shortcomings. Disappointment is totally subjective.

@Godzilla_Sushi said:

Well, Uncharted 3 is pretty good for what we hope is the last time.

I actually think it was a strong year for sequels.

Dead Space 2 (My personal game of the year)

Modern Warfare 3

Gears of War 3

Forza 4

Skyrim

Batman: Arkham City

Portal 2

Mortal Kombat

That's a very strong list of sequels for 2011!

How do you know skyrim and modern warfare won't come out and be total crap? are you from the future?!?!?!?!?

Oh give me a break. If I was betting on the quality of any game it would be developed by Bethesda and Infinity Ward. I'll tell you what.....if those two games come out and are total crap, you can ban my account. ;)

You do realize that Infinity War is no longer the Infinity Ward it once was, right? That's not to say that Modern Warfare 3 won't live up to the previous games in any way, but the talent at the developer is largely different these days.

Okay, I'm just throwing this out there for a good discussion. Bad public relations will give the impression that everything is bad for the product. Someone gets salmonella and suddenly people aren't eating spinach for a year. Two guys had a game deep in progress when they got axed. They took a handful of folks with them. But Infinity Ward is a massive developer. On top of that, if you read the credits on MW3, I promise you'll see a number of other Activision studios on the list. My point is, the talent didn't go anywhere, and the game was well into development.

Infinity Ward is the same as it was. We all just have a bad impression.

I do love that we spun this in a totally different direction from the original blog post though. That rocks!

#17 Edited by Melvargh (489 posts) -

After every big sequel release this year, I saw posts like "[insert game]:Disappointment of the year?".

You people are god damn nuts. I caught myself saying things like "MAN, VIDEO GAMES ARE FUCKING AWESOME"

#18 Posted by Mento (2495 posts) -

Wow, cheers for some very speedy responses.

I'm glad I'm not being accused of being too incendiary or sounding like I'm saying "these games are bad and you should feel bad for liking them" or something equally reductive, because people are sensitive about that sort of thing right now. I do wonder if I'm just burned out a little and that's affecting my perception of how good they are. But then I've enjoyed plenty of games this year that were akin to previous games, either from their own franchise or one very similar. Portal 2, Deus Ex: HR and Dark Souls are all games I'd be happy to admit surpassed their originals to some extent.

@AhmadMetallic: Yeah, I'm not sure "not enough changes" is the reason for my dissatisfaction either, it's just one explanation I considered. It's certainly elusive.

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#19 Posted by Mento (2495 posts) -

@Melvargh: This is a good point too. I've seen way too many threads of late that were along the lines of "this is disappointing" or "why did they give this 5 stars?" and though I was loathe to add to them without coming up with a full explanation as to why, it does make me wonder where this universal feeling of disgruntlement is coming from. Is it just childish entitlement?

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#20 Posted by CJduke (786 posts) -

Dead Space 2 was an amazing sequel, much better than the first game. Dark Souls was a good sequel, Arkham City was a great sequel, as well. I can see where you are coming from though, I loved Assassins Creed: Brotherhood but I thought it was worse than 2, the assassins guild stuff was awesome, but the game felt like they packed too many random collectibles into it and the story was not as good at all. So I understand the feeling.

#21 Posted by Gabriel (4058 posts) -

Dead Space 2 was pretty good.

#22 Posted by JasonR86 (9650 posts) -

@Pr1mus said:

I think you got 2011 confused with 2012. Halo 4 is only coming out next year.

Flameshield on!

WHAT!!!! YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!!

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#23 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11587 posts) -

Aside from the unfortunate kerfuffle that was Dragon Age 2, I generally think that the sequels this year have been pretty good so far, with stuff like the Mortal Kombat reboot, Portal 2 and Human Revolution immediately coming to mind as things I enjoyed significantly. Every year has its good and its bad sequels, and while the number varies, I'd say that as far as video games are concerned there are more good sequels then there are bad.

Having played Deus Ex: Invisible War the entire way through this year, I can tell you that that game is exponentially worse than any of the games you just listed. Just because Nathan Drake's "this is totally just an action movie pretending to be a 3rd person shooter, isn't it?" adventure is slightly worse than the GOTY winning game of two years ago does not really count as any sort of basis for complaint.

#24 Posted by spankingaddict (2660 posts) -

@Melvargh said:

After every big sequel release this year, I saw posts like "[insert game]:Disappointment of the year?".

You people are god damn nuts. I caught myself saying things like "MAN, VIDEO GAMES ARE FUCKING AWESOME"

YES ! I think vg forums are ruining my gaming experiences sometimes. Peeps are crazy. I think I should just stop visiting them...

And yes video games are awesome !!!!!!

#25 Posted by RsistncE (4496 posts) -

....

Portal 2 was absolutely brilliant and one of the most beautifully put together games I've ever played. Batman AC and Battlefield 3 were both fucking incredible. No clue what OP is talking about.

#26 Posted by jkuc316 (981 posts) -

Does Kessler even have a PS3?

Anyways, I liked Uncharted 3 and inFamous 2 better than their previous iterations. Although Uncharted 3 has made some mistakes in terms of gameplay, I thought that Uncharted 3 kept me on the edge of my seat more.

As for inFamous 2, one of the things that kept me from enjoying the 1st half of the 1st game is the lack of superpowers for travel. This was fixed by having the powers early.Also, I feel that the melee combat was improved by the weapon. Iespecially enjoyed using it more than using most of my powrs.

#27 Posted by BeachThunder (11793 posts) -

@Godzilla_Sushi said:

@DarthOrange said:

I disagree with you on inFamous 2 (my game of the year so far). That game was fantastic and had a heavy ending that felt meaningful, along with cool new powers. Resistance 3 was another fantastic sequel. Uncharted 3's story wasn't the best in the series but the multiplayer made up for any single player shortcomings. Disappointment is totally subjective.

@Godzilla_Sushi said:

Well, Uncharted 3 is pretty good for what we hope is the last time.

I actually think it was a strong year for sequels.

Dead Space 2 (My personal game of the year)

Modern Warfare 3

Gears of War 3

Forza 4

Skyrim

Batman: Arkham City

Portal 2

Mortal Kombat

That's a very strong list of sequels for 2011!

How do you know skyrim and modern warfare won't come out and be total crap? are you from the future?!?!?!?!?

Oh give me a break. If I was betting on the quality of any game it would be developed by Bethesda and Infinity Ward. I'll tell you what.....if those two games come out and are total crap, you can ban my account. ;)

Your account would be banned if you bet on Duke.

#28 Posted by laserbolts (5317 posts) -

Gears 3, batman, and portal are gonna have to disagree with you on this one.

#29 Posted by Animasta (14667 posts) -

WITCHER 2? HELLO?

#30 Posted by BestUsernameEver (4825 posts) -

@Godzilla_Sushi: Why do you have Modern warfare 3 on the list? It's not out yet.

#31 Posted by Vorbis (2750 posts) -

@Animasta said:

WITCHER 2? HELLO?

How was Witcher 2 disappointing to the original?

#32 Posted by Animasta (14667 posts) -

@Vorbis said:

@Animasta said:

WITCHER 2? HELLO?

How was Witcher 2 disappointing to the original?

we were chiming up with games that weren't disappointing!

#33 Posted by Vorbis (2750 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@Vorbis said:

@Animasta said:

WITCHER 2? HELLO?

How was Witcher 2 disappointing to the original?

we were chiming up with games that weren't disappointing!

Oh, my mistake, carry on then.

#34 Posted by BestUsernameEver (4825 posts) -

@JasonR86 said:

@Pr1mus said:

I think you got 2011 confused with 2012. Halo 4 is only coming out next year.

Flameshield on!

WHAT!!!! YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!!!

BITCH!!!! YOU WHAT OF A SON!!!!!

#35 Posted by MikkaQ (10277 posts) -

@MooseyMcMan said:

I disagree. I think 2011 is the year of awesome sequels.

#36 Posted by MEATBALL (3155 posts) -

The majority of sequels released this year I have enjoyed more than their predecessor. In fact, of the games you listed, Uncharted 3 is the only one I feel I didn't quite enjoy as much as its predecessor and even so there were moments that really impressed me.

#37 Posted by huntad (1930 posts) -

The only game that just plain sucked was Dragon Age 2. Even then, some people still enjoyed that one. I think this is a year of great games all around.

#38 Posted by BestUsernameEver (4825 posts) -

@XII_Sniper said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

I disagree. I think 2011 is the year of awesome sequels.

If Mortal kombat counts, I agree.

#39 Posted by Animasta (14667 posts) -

and 2012 is going to start great because CRUSADER KINGS 2 IS COMING OUT WOOHOO

no one else cares about that but me of course ;_;

#40 Edited by bybeach (4771 posts) -

It's a damned shame, some devs threw their game out early in the year for monetizing, others hope to tack on a GotY. Dead Space 2 and Portal 2 really impressed me. Later on Gears of war 3, but my emotional favorite, Deus Ex- Human Rev. I do not know if it really deserves GotY, the combat needs a little improvement, Smarter AI, slightly less clunky controls. All I can say is so glad it's back in a works- for- me form.

And I am going to get Dark Souls...I'm just not going to commit to getting it completely done. I was going to wait for a drop in price, but all it really takes now is an empty slot of time.

Whats going to be interesting is MW3, Sp only for me, MP only for a large significant number of others. The rest MP heavy, SP heavy or a few like me.

Havn't gotten around to Alice or Resistance 3

Edit-, Infamous 2 was good, solid game for me, in fact the combat rocked. Batman(pc) is the 18th of NOV.

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#41 Posted by H_U_R_D (45 posts) -

Deus Ex is awesome

DA2 is on the same level as the first, i think

I don't believe that this year has been bad for sequels, per se, but I think that the media/community hypes up games a bit too much, and that's a given at this point. Pretty much every single sequel that has come out this year has met commercial and critical success, which is really all that matters.

#42 Posted by Mento (2495 posts) -

@jkuc316: I'm fairly sure Ryan was threatening to take Kessler's PS3 for failing to reach a satisfactory kill/death on last (or last last) week's TNT.

I'm not saying Ryan is the type to hire world-class thieves at great expense just to spite Jeff and Kessler, but I'm also not saying he isn't the type.

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#43 Posted by Hizang (8533 posts) -

2011 is on of the best years in video game history.

#44 Posted by mpgeist (597 posts) -

The only sequel that has disappointed me was Dragon Age 2. I couldn't even bring myself to finish it, which is a first for a Bioware game for me.

#45 Posted by Sparky_Buzzsaw (6139 posts) -

My genuine surprise with all the sequels this year is that very, very few of the biggies felt like major disappointments to me. I think the "worst" one I played was Dragon Age 2, and I can hardly call that a bad game. Sure, I didn't care for it as much as the original, but I think it's still a hell of a fun game. That says a lot for the growing smarts of the gaming business world. We aren't really seeing anything too spectacularly terrible in terms of sequels, and to me, that's just fine.

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#46 Posted by Pinworm45 (4088 posts) -

I don't know If i'd call it disappointing, but there's certainly been a lot of "meh". And while meh is certainly a step above Disappointing, sometimes it can feel like the same thing.

#47 Posted by coakroach (2490 posts) -

Oh shit I gotta play Portal 2 again.

#48 Posted by owl_of_minerva (1455 posts) -

@Mento: I see what you're saying, and I agree with it: there's no need to be apologetic for having a contrary opinion if you've articulated it well and without malice, as you have. I also think a lot of the sequels this year were disappointing because they were either reiterating a mediocre formula or diminishing the strength of the originals.

Sequels I thought were disappointing or bad: Dragon Age 2, Crysis 2, Portal 2 (decent but far from the original), Gears of War 3 (still good) and the Witcher 2 (also worth playing). Games I will not play because I disliked the previous entries: Batman, Uncharted, Modern Warfare, and Infamous.

At least Dark Souls and DXHR came out this year. I also have hope for Assassin's Creed: Revelations and Skyrim.

#49 Posted by kingzetta (4307 posts) -

I liked all of them, it's your fault if you didn't.

#50 Edited by phrosnite (3518 posts) -

I agree. 2011 has been pretty disappointing as a whole. The games were good but we or at least I expected much more.

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