Sex (in/and) games

Posted by KinkyWizard (53 posts) -

 

Sex belongs in games more then it belongs in movies. In movies sex often carries no emotional weight. It is there more to sell actors. It is there because everybody expect it. Just after middle part as much needed break before big explosive finale. So in most cases it's tied with pacing of the movie.

Because player dictates pacing in games game stories are broken in small pieces and tied to places or characters . In best case scenario sex in games is connected with a place to designate peaceful or friendly location (The Witcher) or as a ridiculous mini game, silly feature... (duke nukem , God of War, GTA, even Mass Effect as little bigger dialog puzzle). So it is always a place. For me that's missed opportunity to connect with the character, in some other way, and deepen the relationship. Sex in games done right simply starts more questions then in movies. Where is taken for granted just like the world the same movies create.

Let's take one simple example. Half Life 2. Alyx and Freeman. If Half Life 2 was a movie they would probably do it when they enter Black Mesa East. Just after meeting with her father. She is so happy she drags freeman to small room and grabs the wrench. Thanks to her  engineering  skills she takes the  hev  suit off. Freeman (starred by edward norton ) then takes her standing in  typical "suspended congress"  kamasutra  position holding Alyx ( starred by Zoe  Saldana ) ass with black gloves. (For some reason gloves and socks stay on at all times). 
 
It would make sense in movie, but in the game? Stupid and meaningless? Or more  importantly Jessica Alba as Alyx? Are you more interested in relationship between those two characters or Alyx ass? Are we human? Or are we wankers?
#1 Posted by KinkyWizard (53 posts) -

 

Sex belongs in games more then it belongs in movies. In movies sex often carries no emotional weight. It is there more to sell actors. It is there because everybody expect it. Just after middle part as much needed break before big explosive finale. So in most cases it's tied with pacing of the movie.

Because player dictates pacing in games game stories are broken in small pieces and tied to places or characters . In best case scenario sex in games is connected with a place to designate peaceful or friendly location (The Witcher) or as a ridiculous mini game, silly feature... (duke nukem , God of War, GTA, even Mass Effect as little bigger dialog puzzle). So it is always a place. For me that's missed opportunity to connect with the character, in some other way, and deepen the relationship. Sex in games done right simply starts more questions then in movies. Where is taken for granted just like the world the same movies create.

Let's take one simple example. Half Life 2. Alyx and Freeman. If Half Life 2 was a movie they would probably do it when they enter Black Mesa East. Just after meeting with her father. She is so happy she drags freeman to small room and grabs the wrench. Thanks to her  engineering  skills she takes the  hev  suit off. Freeman (starred by edward norton ) then takes her standing in  typical "suspended congress"  kamasutra  position holding Alyx ( starred by Zoe  Saldana ) ass with black gloves. (For some reason gloves and socks stay on at all times). 
 
It would make sense in movie, but in the game? Stupid and meaningless? Or more  importantly Jessica Alba as Alyx? Are you more interested in relationship between those two characters or Alyx ass? Are we human? Or are we wankers?
#2 Posted by thehexeditor (1404 posts) -

I can't and will probably not get any in real life so yes, I will take any means of acquiring teh sex.

#3 Posted by luce (4045 posts) -
@thehexeditor said:
" I can't and will probably not get any in real life so yes, I will take any means of acquiring teh sex. "
Has GTA taught you nothing?
 
You can get FREE sex if you frequent the right corners (and bring a bat)
#4 Posted by ZeForgotten (10397 posts) -

Zoe Saldana or Jessica Alba as Alyx. 
You've somehow made me forget how awful Alyx looks. (In my opinion, I know a lot of people get boners from watching polygons and pixels. It's alright, you're not weird) 
But I don't think a Half-Life 2 movie would work and having Edward Norton (I still think he's overrated. Not bad, just not the God of acting) playing a guy who says nothing for 2 hours would be weird.  
 
I can easily live without sex in movies or games but if it's there then it's there I guess. 
But for a game like Half-Life 2 it would just confuse me because my version of freeman is annoyed by Alyx and is thinking "Shut up.. No don't call the damn robot.. Why did it have to be your father?!" 

#5 Posted by thehexeditor (1404 posts) -
@luce:  I'd rather have sex than intercourse. :)
#6 Posted by CaptainCody (1505 posts) -

 
#7 Posted by dubios451 (134 posts) -

I think this is more about you fantasizing about Half Life Two sex scenarios than the artistic merits of sex in video games, ha ha. I usually find sex in video games embarrassing. There is already that uncomfortable uncanny valley in video games with character facial expression and slightly robotic movement. Sex in video games just makes that all the more apparent, it is not an experience that can be simulated with any grace.

#8 Edited by MrKlorox (11206 posts) -

The answer is that humans are wankers.
 
For the most part I would agree with the OP. At least David Cage understands this.

#9 Posted by thehexeditor (1404 posts) -
@dubios451: All joking aside now, I agree completely. Also now that I think about it, this thread is hella creepy.
#10 Posted by BiffMcBlumpkin (3720 posts) -
@KinkyWizard said:
"Freeman (starred by edward norton )?"


I'd rather see Freeman scarred by Edward Norton (played by Gary Oldman.)
#11 Posted by BraveToaster (12590 posts) -

You can make a good game/movie without a sex scene. It isn't necessary, but it can be nice. 
 
@KinkyWizard said:

"               Are we human? Or are we wankers?
"
Ooookay.....
#12 Posted by Izzyjam (128 posts) -

If you're actually for realsies interested in the topic, check out Porn & Pong, by Damon Brown. It's actually a pretty interesting introductory analysis to the role of sexuality in the history of videogames, from, well, Pong, all the way up to about 2 years ago.

#13 Posted by KinkyWizard (53 posts) -
@dubios451:  thing is modern movies just like music videos are more and more like porn. can sex in games actually contribute to the story and be more 
meaningful then in a movie? all animation problem aside.
#14 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4602 posts) -

I'm not quite sure if the OP was joking or not. I'm honestly confused. 
 
However, my two cents on the issue are "if it fits". In Mass Effect, while it is little more than a dialogue puzzle, I still enjoy the relationships involved in those games. However, I wish it was less "Pokemon with Sex" and more about character interaction and development. It has always perturbed me that once the deed is complete, there's usually nothing left to the relationship aspect of the game. I'm less interested in the "chase" of a character and more interested in what happens after. Maybe that is too much work, though. 
 
The day a game like Mass Effect or any other game nails the post-coitus relationship is probably the day games will be ready to tackle relationships as a whole.

#15 Posted by ZeForgotten (10397 posts) -
@BiffMcBlumpkin said:
" @KinkyWizard said:
"Freeman (starred by edward norton )?"
I'd rather see Freeman scarred by Edward Norton (played by Gary Oldman.) "
Voiced by Nolan North! 
I wanna hear Nolan North saying nothing.  
After watching him talk to himself in the Mafia 2 demo I feel that I need a game (or movie) where he says nothing
#16 Posted by KinkyWizard (53 posts) -
@Axxol:  pop song reference. now cant stop singing it... thanks for the link izzyjam. 
I see gamasutra article in the making ;)
#17 Edited by MrKlorox (11206 posts) -
@BiffMcBlumpkin said:

" @KinkyWizard said:

"Freeman (starred by edward norton )?"
I'd rather see Freeman scarred by Edward Norton (played by Gary Oldman.) "
I would also like to see Gary Oldman play Edward Norton and scar a videogame character
 
English History 32X
#18 Posted by BiffMcBlumpkin (3720 posts) -

 
#19 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -

Video games have a long way to go. You want emotion, you can't handle emotion.
 
 

#20 Posted by KinkyWizard (53 posts) -
@KingWilly:  thats what I was wondering. I got sick of softporn in blockbuster movies. still dont know why I even watch them. oh that stubborn geek in me.
And then it hit me, because of the way stories are told in games and their dependence on characters, sex by default should have more meaning in games.
Right? anyone? 
 
or you gone to see avatar again?
#21 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4602 posts) -
@KinkyWizard: Well technically they should have more meaning, yes, but can you name me a game that actually tackles relationships and sex in any meaningful way? 
 
There is nothing wrong with titillation and sex for sex's sake, but it is disconcerting to see that the developer's idea of a relationship is "Say things the girl likes and then bone her". 
 
Makes me wonder how even half of them are married.
#22 Posted by WoodenPlatypus (1365 posts) -

I dont think anyone else has said this yet.. 
But I expected nothing less than what I read in this thread seeing as the kid is called "KinkyWizard"
#23 Posted by KinkyWizard (53 posts) -
@WoodenPlatypus said:

" I dont think anyone else has said this yet.. But I expected nothing less than what I read in this thread seeing as the kid is called "KinkyWizard" "

its a terry pratchett joke...
or fake band name for Royal Trux in "High Fidelity"
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1othc05a5Cs
#24 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8698 posts) -

The opening post started pretty interesting and I was looking forward to the conclusion and being able to post my thoughts...
 
But then it turned into a LAWL ALYX thread ><.
 
I'll walk myself out tyvm.

#25 Posted by LiquidPrince (15848 posts) -
@thehexeditor said:
" I can't and will probably not get any in real life so yes, I will take any means of acquiring teh sex. "
I don't really know what you mean by that, but even if you were King Kong, you could get sex from SOMEWHERE. Sex is easy, love is hard.
#26 Posted by MancombSeepgood (319 posts) -

What I thought was going to be an interesting commentary soon degraded into Half Life 2 fan fiction. The bad kind.

#27 Posted by Vinny_Says (5690 posts) -
@KinkyWizard: it's what gets my log loaded
#28 Posted by Bigheart711 (1252 posts) -

Actually, I'm okay with sex in video games even though I love the real thing tons more.
#29 Posted by Meteora (5787 posts) -

At the moment, sex in video games tend to be either controversial, awkward or... both. Developers haven't managed to figure out how to implement it properly without it seem cheesy or awkward, just like in Mass Effect and or Dragon Age: Origins. 
 
I could care any less about sex in video games. I just want more story and characters with emotions or people who appear more real than not.

#30 Posted by uncle_beardface (27 posts) -

avatar sends some strange sexual vibes with those pony tail things. they just connect them with everything...

#31 Posted by xaLieNxGrEyx (2605 posts) -
@thehexeditor said:
" @luce:  I'd rather have sex than intercourse. :) "

wtf?
#32 Posted by one_2nd (2359 posts) -
@luce said:
" @thehexeditor said:
" I can't and will probably not get any in real life so yes, I will take any means of acquiring teh sex. "
Has GTA taught you nothing?  You can get FREE sex if you frequent the right corners (and bring a bat) "
I love you. 
#33 Posted by Jasta (2217 posts) -
@Claude said:
" Video games have a long way to go. You want emotion, you can't handle emotion.
 
 
"

Could you imagine the chaos that would ensue if that scene was in a video game?

#34 Edited by error5305 (277 posts) -
@BiffMcBlumpkin said:

"

"
I lol'd real good. 

@KinkyWizard:
Sex does not belong more in games than movies.  
Watching a movie you are passive observer, sort of a voyeur in a way.  You don't decide when or if characters will do anything about their feelings, it can be exciting and give you the sense that you don't have control.  This is much more like sex/intercourse/love in real life compared to *select dialogue option from the following list* as we find in games.
 
Playing out relationships in games teaches you nothing about real life.  If you enjoy these, that's fine, I'm not judging, this is not directed at you personally OP.
 
Movies are meant to be shared, this becomes a common experience shared between you and someone you care about watching with you.  Hopefully that scene will lead to some real life developments, or at least give you a chance to giggle like nervous teens.  Games are directed at one individual, the one playing, so it is kind of pointless to fill up space with sex.  It becomes a bit shallow when you realize there is no one sharing this intimate scene with you.  That's when you should put down the controller and get out more.
#35 Edited by Rhode (23 posts) -

Well to be fair, in my opinion A history of violence was filled with awkward sex scenes. The stairs, the cheerleading thing etc. I had a big wtf reaction to those instead of anything like "Aww how emotional". And the movie was pretty terrible as well. Definitely not the movie I'd use to stomp on games having awkward anythings.

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