The Shadow Complex Controversy

#151 Edited by ryanwho (12012 posts) -
@raddevon said:

" @ryanwho: If the sequel bombed in spite of being great, I would call that a pretty effective stand. "

Effective at what? Spiting the village for the fool? God you're dense.
#152 Posted by Snipzor (3471 posts) -
@IncredibleBulk92 said:
There are gay charities?  Why do gay people need a charity?  It's not like they need a cancer charity where they're trying to cure a disease or like a homeless charity here they're trying to solve a problem.  Surely there's no need for such an organisation...
LGBT teens commit suicide at an alarming rate, there are tons of organizations that deal with that. Then there are the med centers that deal with HIV related illnesses, which also double as youth med centers. Then lobbying groups and whatnot, which make up the most of the actual organizations.
#153 Edited by Jimbo (10269 posts) -

The thing with boycotts is you actually need to pick an issue that more than a handful of people give a shit about.  Otherwise, they aren't just futile, they might even be counterproductive - a boycott without boycotters is just free publicity.  This might have made a few people feel better about themselves, but that's as far as it goes.  I imagine Shadow Complex has been a runaway success for all involved and they won't think twice about making a sequel in the same universe.
Also, the idea that you can buy back the moral highground by donating something to charity is laughable.  'Paying off your guilty conscience' and 'having principles' are not the same thing - they could not be more different.

#154 Edited by ryanwho (12012 posts) -

This is worse than an empty gesture, though, because talented people are losing money in the process. I'd prefer an empty gesture that solves nothing and doesn't catch bystanders in the crossfire.
I just don't see the endgame, here. I see this underpants gnome style logic "ban figure vaguely connected to game, ______, gay marriage is acceptable/profit?"
I don't even see a tangential connection, ultimately all these means is Card will have to skip on one of the dips in his three dip salsa at the next "sanctity of marriage" meeting. And a bunch of developers will suffer, not that you care obviously.

#155 Posted by IncredibleBulk92 (949 posts) -
@Snipzor: Ah I see, I hadn't realised there were special charities that deal with sucicide dedicated to specific groups.  Seems odd to me that there would be a high enough suicide rate within those groups to warrant such specialised charities.  I guess the lobbying groups makes sense though and would probably achieve the most good in the long run. 
I'm still not sure I understand why there's an almost boycott of Shadow Complex, the sales of this game aren't going to harm anyone that this guy is afraid of.  I mean unless he uses the sales of this game to buy himself a shotgun and a taxi to the nearest gay bar I don't feel like my purcahse has harmed anyone or changed anybody's opinion.
#156 Posted by Snipzor (3471 posts) -
@IncredibleBulk92: Well know that somebody asked the big question, because nobody has, it is time to talk about it (Which is good because this thread could have used a lock)
There's no boycott. None, what we've got here, is a question. A simple question. What is the payment of Orson Scott Card? Now I know, some people say that Chair owns Empire, but they don't. They own the rights of the universe, which essentially means they can add on to the universe at their leisure (Which they will, hence the movie they've announced). Because of this, Orson Scott Card still had to recieve some form of creative fees, which tend to be either royalties based or one time payment. People want to know, and I have the right to know because I bought the game, and I am entitled to knowing "who got what". 
The people who are against purchasing the game, are making a personal choice, they aren't necessarily boycotting. In fact, most of the people who are not buying the game have made it clear that they aren't boycotting. Personally I don't know where people got the idea, I think it's projection. Anyways, the "boycott", it's not official, or really happening. We can both understand why people wouldn't buy the game.
#157 Posted by Illmatic (1380 posts) -

In the end, I thought what do I want more: to support a dev team that made a good game or deny them money because of one man's view. I chose the former and enjoyed the game. No way am I gonna punish the team because of different political views.

#159 Posted by CitizenKane (10752 posts) -

I do agree that boycotting the game based on one man, who is indirectly involved in the production of the game, and his views is stupid and ignorant in itself.  The guys who are actually making the game do not share the views of Card and deserve the money they get from people buying the game.

#160 Posted by raddevon (514 posts) -
@ryanwho: I have created a handy flowchart for you since you obviously do not understand the concepts involved in the theoretical scenario you have concocted.

I hope that clears everything up.
#161 Posted by Bucketdeth (8235 posts) -

He is a fucktard and should be sent to a country like Iran, where gays are hung everyday, maybe then he'd see how fucked up his views are.

#162 Posted by raddevon (514 posts) -

Also, I feel I need to clarify that I have followed this thread since the beginning and there has never been anyone mentioning a boycott except for all the people crying out that being an informed consumer is stupid. We have had people talking about how the circumstances surrounding this game make each of them feel uncomfortable as individuals, but there has been no call to arms.

#163 Posted by Snipzor (3471 posts) -
@raddevon: Best chart ever. I would have opted out for one that is similiar to the "Republican Budget Blueprint" but yours is at least 100 times better.
#164 Posted by EdIsCool (1140 posts) -

I dont have to give money to  the dev team.Plenty of people have bought the game hence my money would buy them a top of the range coffee maker as well as fund a nutcase.Or I can give them no money, they have to buy a crappier coffee machine   and  my conscience is clear.
A more interesting question would be if a great game was selling poorly and a fucktard like card was linked with it would I buy it?
Answer...very difficult it would have to be like Bioshock..i.e after playing the demo I felt that the devs had designed a game for me.

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