Yeah, So, Shadow of the Eternals Is Back on Kickstarter?

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Posted by patrickklepek (3098 posts) -

Giant Bomb doesn’t cover many Kickstarters, but the will-it-or-won’t-it nature of Shadow of the Eternals, pitched as a spiritual successor to the beloved Eternal Darkness, has continued to capture my attention.

It’s also returned to Kickstarter today with a new funding goal and a singular story.

But let’s remember where we came from.

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#1 Edited by Abendlaender (2605 posts) -

I hope they get the funds to make this game, cause I want to see how it turns out. I'm not going to pledge anything of course, I'm not stupid.

#2 Posted by Morningstar (2061 posts) -

Count me out. Good luck though.

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#3 Posted by kylekrane (52 posts) -

It's gone a long way in just a few hours. Considering that they are wanting $750k they still have a way to go, but its off to a nice start.

#4 Posted by joshthebear (2700 posts) -

Ugh, people who support Dyack are insane. The dude hasn't made anything of worth in a considerable amount of time.

#5 Edited by Trachalio (14 posts) -

Someone on Twitter pointed this gem out:

Pledge $5,000 or more

CHAMPION SUPPORTER

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Work with Precursor to DEMO THE GAME AT AN EVENT like E3 (Los Angeles), PAX (Seattle), or GDC (San Francisco). Must be able to arrange travel to the location.

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So give them $5k and they'd be happy to let you demo their game for them... but you have to fly yourself there to do it. No mention of if they'll at least give you a couch in their hotel room to sleep on.

#6 Posted by SolidOcelot (311 posts) -

I'm still interested to see how this game turns out but this whole thing has such a pungent stink on it I would never back the project.

#7 Posted by kagato (863 posts) -

Im in, give me the goddamn game already, some good talent working on and involved in this game.

#8 Posted by paulunga (1802 posts) -

Someone on Twitter pointed this gem out:

Pledge $5,000 or more

CHAMPION SUPPORTER

=============================

Work with Precursor to DEMO THE GAME AT AN EVENT like E3 (Los Angeles), PAX (Seattle), or GDC (San Francisco). Must be able to arrange travel to the location.

=============================

So give them $5k and they'd be happy to let you demo their game for them... but you have to fly yourself there to do it. No mention of if they'll at least give you a couch in their hotel room to sleep on.

Uhh, that's how it almost always works. Project Eternity's top tier reward is $10,000 and includes an invitation to the developer launch party for two people, but you still have to pay for travel and accomodations yourself.

#9 Posted by 46464646 (14 posts) -

Sub-headline of the year.

#10 Posted by Animasta (14467 posts) -

why did you remind me of tubthumping aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

#11 Posted by Abendlaender (2605 posts) -

Someone on Twitter pointed this gem out:

Pledge $5,000 or more

CHAMPION SUPPORTER

=============================

Work with Precursor to DEMO THE GAME AT AN EVENT like E3 (Los Angeles), PAX (Seattle), or GDC (San Francisco). Must be able to arrange travel to the location.

=============================

So give them $5k and they'd be happy to let you demo their game for them... but you have to fly yourself there to do it. No mention of if they'll at least give you a couch in their hotel room to sleep on.

To be fair, rhat's pretty common, I think most KS do that. You also have to pay for international shipping yourself if you buy anything that needs to be shipped.

#12 Edited by Chris2KLee (2308 posts) -

I'm just enjoying the ride this game is taking.

#13 Edited by HubrisRanger (470 posts) -

Whoa, I hadn't heard any of that stuff about McCulloch. That's...kinda crazy.

#14 Posted by chocolaterhinovampire (1287 posts) -

I will be throwing some money their way

#15 Posted by Rodin (146 posts) -

Theres a dude in the video on the kick-starter page that kinda looks like patrick to me.

#16 Posted by cikame (926 posts) -

I like how they arn't discussing where their other funding is coming from, because not being honest to the public really gets them on your side.

#17 Posted by Trachalio (14 posts) -

@abendlaender: International shipping I know about (I'm in Canada), but the tier I quoted is about you going to a game event to demo the game for them... and you have to fly yourself there to do the demo ;)

#18 Edited by Trachalio (14 posts) -

@paulunga:

Oh, I had no idea that was common. I just assumed that if you were gonna kick in that much cash the least they could do is fly you out to work for them :)

#19 Posted by HubrisRanger (470 posts) -

@paulunga:

Oh, I had no idea that was common. I just assumed that if you were gonna kick in that much cash the least they could do is fly you out to work for them :)

I think the crazier part of that whole thing is the idea that demoing a game at E3 is some high honor. From what I understand, that's kind of the worst possible way to experience the event. Granted, if you have multiple people, maybe you can cycle off and go around the convention floor, but prize-as-written the incentive seems to be "PAY us to work FOR us!"

#20 Posted by tehrevel (14 posts) -

Yeah you always have to pay for travel or whatever but usually what you're paying to travel to is a party or a hang out session. Not paying some stupid amount and then paying again to travel to demo their game.

#21 Posted by jimmyfenix (3688 posts) -

This is interesting, i will continue to follow this kick starter but will not pledge anything. I want to see if it is just successful or not.

#22 Edited by Undeadpool (4870 posts) -

Patrick, thanks for clarifying exactly WHICH version of Tubthumping it was as I consider Philip Glass' version to be THE definitive. Chumbawumba's is good too, though.

Seriously, though, if these guys stopped fundamentally changing what their goals and methods were, it MIGHT assuage some people's concerns. How do you go from needing 1.35 million for ONE episode to needing just 750K for the ENTIRE thing?? NOTHING about this sounds on the up-and-up.

#23 Posted by alwaysbebombing (1287 posts) -

@paulunga said:

@trachalio said:

Someone on Twitter pointed this gem out:

Pledge $5,000 or more

CHAMPION SUPPORTER

=============================

Work with Precursor to DEMO THE GAME AT AN EVENT like E3 (Los Angeles), PAX (Seattle), or GDC (San Francisco). Must be able to arrange travel to the location.

=============================

So give them $5k and they'd be happy to let you demo their game for them... but you have to fly yourself there to do it. No mention of if they'll at least give you a couch in their hotel room to sleep on.

Uhh, that's how it almost always works. Project Eternity's top tier reward is $10,000 and includes an invitation to the developer launch party for two people, but you still have to pay for travel and accomodations yourself.

But for people with that kind of money, a few extra dollars for travel and lodging can't really be that much of a problem.

#24 Posted by Funkydupe (3293 posts) -

You didn't mention Star Citizen with one word during the campaign, I was very disappointed, but in the end it did excellent and continues to gain momentum and support.

#25 Posted by Cirdain (2957 posts) -

Don't kick a pregnant dog.

#26 Posted by Apathylad (3066 posts) -

The 'old Solid Snake'? Is there a new Solid Snake? Kiefer Sutherland is the voice of Big Boss.

#27 Posted by Itwongo (818 posts) -

Wow, what a shitshow!

#28 Posted by Rorie (2116 posts) -

@trachalio said:

@paulunga:

Oh, I had no idea that was common. I just assumed that if you were gonna kick in that much cash the least they could do is fly you out to work for them :)

I think the crazier part of that whole thing is the idea that demoing a game at E3 is some high honor. From what I understand, that's kind of the worst possible way to experience the event. Granted, if you have multiple people, maybe you can cycle off and go around the convention floor, but prize-as-written the incentive seems to be "PAY us to work FOR us!"

The last thing a journalist wants is to be given a demo by someone who's getting their hands on the game for the first time, either. I'm sure this is more of a "Hey, hang around the booth if you like and meet people, or wander off and check out the rest of the show if you want" kind of thing.

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#29 Posted by Asmo917 (356 posts) -

@animasta: "pissing our dollars away...pissing our dollars awaaaaaaaaaaaay!"

#30 Posted by LarryDavis (721 posts) -

@trachalio said:

Someone on Twitter pointed this gem out:

Pledge $5,000 or more

CHAMPION SUPPORTER

=============================

Work with Precursor to DEMO THE GAME AT AN EVENT like E3 (Los Angeles), PAX (Seattle), or GDC (San Francisco). Must be able to arrange travel to the location.

=============================

So give them $5k and they'd be happy to let you demo their game for them... but you have to fly yourself there to do it. No mention of if they'll at least give you a couch in their hotel room to sleep on.

To be fair, rhat's pretty common, I think most KS do that. You also have to pay for international shipping yourself if you buy anything that needs to be shipped.

Also, to be honest, if you're dropping that much cash on something like this, I doubt travel expenses would be a big deal.

#31 Posted by Trachalio (14 posts) -

@abendlaender said:

To be fair, rhat's pretty common, I think most KS do that. You also have to pay for international shipping yourself if you buy anything that needs to be shipped.

Also, to be honest, if you're dropping that much cash on something like this, I doubt travel expenses would be a big deal.

Very good point. :)

#32 Posted by kagato (863 posts) -

@cikame said:

I like how they arn't discussing where their other funding is coming from, because not being honest to the public really gets them on your side.

AMD are a backer now and are willing to help co-fund if they meet the total set on kickstarter

#33 Posted by BisonHero (5692 posts) -

@rorie said:

@hubrisranger said:

@trachalio said:

@paulunga:

Oh, I had no idea that was common. I just assumed that if you were gonna kick in that much cash the least they could do is fly you out to work for them :)

I think the crazier part of that whole thing is the idea that demoing a game at E3 is some high honor. From what I understand, that's kind of the worst possible way to experience the event. Granted, if you have multiple people, maybe you can cycle off and go around the convention floor, but prize-as-written the incentive seems to be "PAY us to work FOR us!"

The last thing a journalist wants is to be given a demo by someone who's getting their hands on the game for the first time, either. I'm sure this is more of a "Hey, hang around the booth if you like and meet people, or wander off and check out the rest of the show if you want" kind of thing.

Yeah, I certainly hope so. Or maybe the backer is just playing the game (silently), while an actual dev is doing all the talking or something.

Even then, I imagine the backer would find playing the same vertical slice over and over pretty boring after about the 2nd playthrough.

#34 Posted by parabolee (29 posts) -

Damn it, I pledged. I had no intention of doing and have been unhappy with how Silicon Knights conducted themselves and with the way the whole set up of this new company played out.

But I loved Eternal Darkness, Twin Snakes and even the unfairly derided Too Human. And the pitch video sold me. "Story driven third person action adventures" are my favourite genre. We need a shorter name or acronym though, SDTPAA is not going to catch on :)

#35 Posted by Revolver (84 posts) -

I don't know if they should continue this when not enough persons were interested. They may not be able to stop I guess if work has already been done.

#36 Posted by bbk (115 posts) -

Shut up and don't touch my money, Denis.

#37 Posted by bassguy (82 posts) -

I don't even. Dude, what?

#38 Edited by AlexanderSheen (4688 posts) -

The 'old Solid Snake'? Is there a new Solid Snake? Kiefer Sutherland is the voice of Big Boss.

*Shhh* Just go with the flow, man.

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#39 Posted by DonutFever (3521 posts) -

Did not hear about the whole child pornography thing. What the fuck is going on?

#40 Posted by ManMadeGod (1517 posts) -

I would think Nintendo would pick this up..... the future of the WiiU isn't looking all that bright

#41 Posted by Coafi (1433 posts) -

Third time's the charm, right?

#42 Posted by Chaser324 (5988 posts) -

If you're a huge fan of Eternal Darkness, I understand why you'd probably still commit money to this Kickstarter, but for the vast majority of people, I don't think you can overlook how horrible the handling of this whole thing has been.

To be fair, a lot of this doubt isn't necessarily their fault. Maybe the Kotaku article was irresponsible and inaccurate...but also, maybe it wasn't. The bottom line is that these guys should've known the potential risk of having Dyack and other assorted SK employees at the forefront of this thing. Also, none of that explains the awful way they killed any chances their Kickstarter had by introducing a second crowd funding source.

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#43 Edited by Dark_Lord_Spam (2968 posts) -

Common sense dictates that 750k is not enough money to make a good game out of this.

#44 Posted by jerseyscum (853 posts) -

@donutfever: Someone at Precursor Games really enjoyed kiddie porn. The Canadian authorities then took displeasure in his hobby.

There's one thing nice to say about convicted killers.....they LOVE killing pederasts.

#45 Edited by Lurkero (338 posts) -

The most upsetting part about this news is that the second Kickstarter effort has more than zero backers.

#46 Edited by ManMadeGod (1517 posts) -

If you're a huge fan of Eternal Darkness, I understand why you'd probably still commit money to this Kickstarter, but for the vast majority of people, I don't think you can overlook how horrible the handling of this whole thing has been.

To be fair, a lot of this doubt isn't necessarily their fault. Maybe the Kotaku article was irresponsible and inaccurate...but also, maybe it wasn't. The bottom line is that these guys should've known the potential risk of having Dyack and other assorted SK employees at the forefront of this thing. Also, none of that explains the awful way they killed any chances their Kickstarter had by introducing a second crowd funding source.

The kickstarter came after the funding on their website was open. Many people didn't trust the site and wanted them to open a kickstarter, which they did.

#47 Posted by Chaser324 (5988 posts) -

@manmadegod: Ah, I guess that makes sense. Although, they probably should've closed that first funding option when they started the Kickstarter. I know I was certainly confused when I looked at their website and saw both.

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#48 Posted by DonutFever (3521 posts) -

@jerseyscum: Oh no, I didn't mean what was going on with that one guy. I was referring to how crazy this situation has been in general.

#49 Posted by StarmanDeluxe (10 posts) -

My morbid curiosity to watch this slo-mo train wreck unfold is still not compelling enough to actually give Dyack a damn nickel.

#50 Posted by DeF (4696 posts) -

Jumped back in. I really liked the interviews those guys did over the last months. Looking forward to it.

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