...Yeesh, can we not get into the whole legitimizing piracy debate here? Honestly I dunno why people dredge up that type of flame bait.

As for the topic at hand, I don't think I'll be getting this. I kinda ruined the story for myself (before they announced a PSP version of this game) when I finished P2:EP and looked up a plot summary. The combat system itself is not enough to sell me on it, so unfortunately for Atlus that means this will be the first Persona game I don't buy since P3 (not counting P3P)

@WatanabeKazuma

I'm on the fence with this, the middling reception has confused me somewhat. As someone who hasn't played the game before though, should I get this version?

@vidiot: Atlus JP rereleased a PS1 game in 2011. What worked back then, doesn't fly now, and unlike any final fantasy game, P2 is not a timeless classic -- but a janky, broken game. A lot of issues it had could have been easily fixed and should have been. 
 
Piracy is completely irrelevant to this conversation.

@mutha3 said:

@vidiot: Atlus JP rereleased a PS1 game in 2011. What worked back then, doesn't fly now, and unlike any final fantasy game, P2 is not a timeless classic -- but a janky, broken game. A lot of issues it had could have been easily fixed and should have been. 
 
Piracy is completely irrelevant to this conversation.

Sure.

@mutha3 said:

@vidiot: Atlus JP rereleased a PS1 game in 2011. What worked back then, doesn't fly now, and unlike any final fantasy game, P2 is not a timeless classic -- but a janky, broken game. A lot of issues it had could have been easily fixed and should have been. The game isn't worth the price of admission because people pirated it.........it isn't worth the price of admission because it looks and plays like something from 1998.

Piracy is completely irrelevant to this conversation.

Regardless of how you feel about how good the game is or how well it's aged, it doesn't justify people pirating it so they don't have to spend the money.

Innocent Sin may be an old rerelease, but this is the first time that the game will officially be available in English. Yes, it's an old PS1 era RPG with a new coat of paint, but it's an old PS1 RPG that many westerners never had the chance to play in any legitimate sense, and certainly not with what features were added for this new version. But saying "fuck it, not worth $40, I'll just torrent it" is bullshit of the highest order.

But saying "fuck it, not worth $40, I'll just torrent it" is bullshit of the highest order.

@Hailinel said:

But saying "fuck it, not worth $40, I'll just torrent it" is bullshit of the highest order.

That's not what I'm saying or advocating, though.  I can't speak for the orignal poster, but this piracy conversation is a stupid side tangent and irrelevant to the original point-- that Atlus should have done a better job with the port.

but it's just a port of the very same game with a few new quests.

part of getting an old game is enjoying it's oldness :D
 
it's janky janky oldness

@Catolf said:

but it's just a port of the very same game with a few new quests.

And that game has a lot of flaws from its era which could(and should) have been corrected.  They haven't, so I'm not buying.

part of getting an old game is enjoying it's oldness :D  it's janky janky oldness

@Catolf said:

but it's just a port of the very same game with a few new quests.

And that game has a lot of flaws from its era which could(and should) have been corrected.  They haven't, so I'm not buying.

@mutha3 said:

@Catolf said:

but it's just a port of the very same game with a few new quests.

And that game has a lot of flaws from its era which could(and should) have been corrected.  They haven't, so I'm not buying.

Serious question: What flaws are those?

But saying "fuck it, not worth $40, I'll just torrent it" is bullshit of the highest order.
 
 

@mutha3:but that's a debate for another thread.

@mutha3 said:

Interface,long loading times inbetween battles, long boring stretches of grey corridors , gameplay systems that consists of nothing but busywork, sloooooowwwwww ass animations etc. etc.

Ah, I see that you're describing every pre-PS2 SMT game.

I don't know if it's a commentary on japanese game development or the japanese market but it's kind of sad that it took Atlus nearly 20 years to make a MegaTen game which was significantly different from the formula of the old Namco games.

 
It took them Hashino taking over as director:P
 

@Juno500 said:

@mutha3 said:

@Catolf said:

but it's just a port of the very same game with a few new quests.

And that game has a lot of flaws from its era which could(and should) have been corrected.  They haven't, so I'm not buying.

Serious question: What flaws are those?

Interface,long loading times inbetween battles, long boring stretches of grey corridors , gameplay systems that consists of nothing but busywork, sloooooowwwwww ass animations etc. etc. Most significantly, though: Game balance. Its completely out of wack. You can beat this game  by repeating two things: whatever powerful fusion spell is available to you and Mediarama. However, despite that, the random encounter rate is so ridiculous and your options in battle are so limited....ON TOP of the terrible fusion system which requires you to talk with demons for cards, doubling the amount of  battles you will have to partake in. Its simultaneously mad easy, yet incredibly grindy.

@Catolf said:

@mutha3 said:

@Juno500 said:

@mutha3 said:

@Catolf said:

but it's just a port of the very same game with a few new quests.

And that game has a lot of flaws from its era which could(and should) have been corrected. They haven't, so I'm not buying.

Serious question: What flaws are those?

Interface,long loading times inbetween battles, long boring stretches of grey corridors , gameplay systems that consists of nothing but busywork, sloooooowwwwww ass animations etc. etc. Most significantly, though: Game balance. Its completely out of wack. You can beat this game by repeating two things: whatever powerful fusion spell is available to you and Mediarama. However, despite that, the random encounter rate is so ridiculous and your options in battle are so limited....ON TOP of the terrible fusion system which requires you to talk with demons for cards, doubling the amount of battles you will have to partake in. Its simultaneously mad easy, yet incredibly grindy.

just seems like your complaining about it being old. It's an old game getting ported with sound track and so on, thats like looking at Nintendo if they re-released the first SMB yet they didn't fix the many glitches and unfairness that went with it.. Seems like a ridiculous request. It's a port of an old ass game for the fans that didn't get to play with like two bells added. I'd prefer them to keep it as is and put more effort on things that are new. Like Persona 5. if anything the topic of conversation should be "Finally." or "About damn time" and leave it as such, not be complaining that they didn't tweek an old ass game.. cause it's old. XP

there's a difference between Persona 2 and SMB; SMB is still fun to play, Persona 2... isn't. I stopped on the fan translation right before going up a mountain because the game was so grindy and so slow.

@Catolf said:

@mutha3 said:

@Juno500 said:

@mutha3 said:

@Catolf said:

but it's just a port of the very same game with a few new quests.

And that game has a lot of flaws from its era which could(and should) have been corrected. They haven't, so I'm not buying.

Serious question: What flaws are those?

Interface,long loading times inbetween battles, long boring stretches of grey corridors , gameplay systems that consists of nothing but busywork, sloooooowwwwww ass animations etc. etc. Most significantly, though: Game balance. Its completely out of wack. You can beat this game by repeating two things: whatever powerful fusion spell is available to you and Mediarama. However, despite that, the random encounter rate is so ridiculous and your options in battle are so limited....ON TOP of the terrible fusion system which requires you to talk with demons for cards, doubling the amount of battles you will have to partake in. Its simultaneously mad easy, yet incredibly grindy.

just seems like your complaining about it being old. It's an old game getting ported with sound track and so on, thats like looking at Nintendo if they re-released the first SMB yet they didn't fix the many glitches and unfairness that went with it.. Seems like a ridiculous request. It's a port of an old ass game for the fans that didn't get to play with like two bells added. I'd prefer them to keep it as is and put more effort on things that are new. Like Persona 5. if anything the topic of conversation should be "Finally." or "About damn time" and leave it as such, not be complaining that they didn't tweek an old ass game.. cause it's old. XP

there's a difference between Persona 2 and SMB; SMB is still fun to play, Persona 2... isn't. I stopped on the fan translation right before going up a mountain because the game was so grindy and so slow.

Not really, I think SMB games are unfair and hard to the point of wanting to claw ones eyes out. But I wouldn't demand them to go and fix this old game because it's old. Same for persona 2, grindy and slow don't make a bad game, makes it a bit tedious yes considering what we get now is fast, fast, fast and now now now..
 
the game is old. You can't demand them fix it because it's old. It's OLD. You can't say it's a bad port when it is THE port, that is it. They never said they were going to fix anything. Just giving you a port of a game that never came.
 

So it's pretty much this: If you don't want it, don't buy it, but don't complain that it's crap/ bad port cause they didn't fix issues of this 10 year old game (or older, how the fuck old is it?) 
 

Fuck, antiquated design be damned, I'm interested in playing this largely from a historical perspective. 
 
My main concern is now with the price, seeing as the Persona remake was never released in Europe I'm not holding my breath on this bucking the trend. I suspect I will order it out of sheer paranoia of it quickly going out of print, much the same as I did with trails in the sky. 

Fuck, antiquated design be damned, I'm interested in playing this largely from a historical perspective.  My main concern is now with the price, seeing as the Persona remake was never released in Europe I'm not holding my breath on this bucking the trend. I suspect I will order it out of sheer paranoia of it quickly going out of print, much the same as I did with trails in the sky. 

@WatanabeKazuma said:

Fuck, antiquated design be damned, I'm interested in playing this largely from a historical perspective.  My main concern is now with the price, seeing as the Persona remake was never released in Europe I'm not holding my breath on this bucking the trend. I suspect I will order it out of sheer paranoia of it quickly going out of print, much the same as I did with trails in the sky. 

I wouldn't doubt it, thats more or less why i am picking this up quickly to avoid never seeing it again and if I do for like 80 dollars or something like that on ebay.

Well, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna buy it. I'm gonna play it. And if I like it, I'll keep playing it. But I am also fully aware that this is a PS1 game on a UMD.

@Catolf said:

@WatanabeKazuma said:

Fuck, antiquated design be damned, I'm interested in playing this largely from a historical perspective.  My main concern is now with the price, seeing as the Persona remake was never released in Europe I'm not holding my breath on this bucking the trend. I suspect I will order it out of sheer paranoia of it quickly going out of print, much the same as I did with trails in the sky. 

I wouldn't doubt it, thats more or less why i am picking this up quickly to avoid never seeing it again and if I do for like 80 dollars or something like that on ebay.

Yep, Its lamentable but I'd rather avoid the alternative.

@Hailinel said:

Well, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna buy it. I'm gonna play it. And if I like it, I'll keep playing it. But I am also fully aware that this is a PS1 game on a UMD.

This <3

With the amount of games coming out at the moment I think I can hold off for the time being. Ghostlight has the duty of bringing this one over to the UK too, I'm happy enough with that as we still the soundtrack CD.

I have it pre-ordered but I'm having second thoughts now :\
 
Ah well, I'll probably end up paying it for it anyway.