Persona 3 or Persona 4: which is bettter?

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#1 Posted by mets777 (6 posts) -

Personally I like Persona 4's story better, but the characters in P3 are superior.  Junpei alone would kick Yosuke's derriere.   

#2 Posted by FancySoapsMan (5816 posts) -

Persona 3 had a better story, in my opinion

#3 Posted by natetodamax (19192 posts) -

Persona 4 has Laura Bailey.

Persona 4 is better.

#4 Posted by FateOfNever (1830 posts) -

Can't they both be great in their own way?   Does one really have to be better than the other? 
 
Seriously though, I hate the AI in P3.  It is so freaking dumb sometimes.  Other than that, I appreciate both games equally.

#5 Posted by lockon_one (93 posts) -

i love both games, but for me the story of p3 is a little better. gameplay wise i'll choose p4.  

#6 Posted by dungbootle (2457 posts) -

P3 had a different atmosphere which I guess I liked more, and the social links seemed more deep, or at least one did. 
I'd say P4 is the better game though, they just improved everything overall.

#7 Posted by Devoid (429 posts) -

Well 4 is a better game, but I love the music in Persona 3.

I'd have a hard time choosing which one.

#8 Posted by eldiax (632 posts) -

Persona 3 had a better and more meaningful ending (not counting the Answer), but I think I liked Persona 4 just a bit more.

#9 Posted by PenguinDust (12493 posts) -

I prefer Persona 3's story and characters more, but Persona 4's more upbeat and funnier which is probably why it got an anime and the best that P3 got was a cameo by Akihiko in Trinity Soul.

#10 Posted by buft (3315 posts) -

Persona 3 portable is the best of both worlds, i've been watching the P4 endurance run recently and it convinced me to restart the game and hopefully finish it this time

#11 Posted by Clubvodka (417 posts) -

Yeah P3 has the best story and characters and I imagine P3 portable with P4's mechanics just kicks ass

#12 Edited by Kyle (2323 posts) -

For a while I would have said Persona 3 simply because it did the P3/P4 formula first, but I came to realize that Persona 4 is pretty much superior in every possible way. Except for a serious lack of people shooting themselves in the head, that is.

I'm really surprised at the amount of people praising P3 for it's story and characters. I mean, I love the story and characters too, but I don't think they hold a candle 4. Oh wells.

#13 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

Persona 3 Portable has a grade school kid as a romance option.
 
Just saying.

#14 Edited by AlisterCat (5532 posts) -

I much prefer the setting and more specifically the tone of Persona 4. Really enjoy the story and the characters and world. Much prefer the music. Plus having the multiple dungeons is great.

#15 Posted by imsh_pl (3295 posts) -

P4

#16 Posted by ervonymous (1297 posts) -

@Kyle: Same here. P3 was one of my favorite games when I first played it but now that I've replayed a fair bit of FES after a few years it feels really goofy.

Some social link events take less than a minute to unfold and feel unnatural, not to say 4 always does it better. 'You sense his/her trust. Your relationship is stronger now!'.

The pacing is real bad sometimes, a full week of sports practice in the middle of summer vacation and it unfolds day by day, just so you can have a new SL with some dude etc.

The story goes off the chain in both but 4 keeps it together longer yada yada.. Just my two cents, I'm still going to play through FES.

#17 Posted by dagas (2813 posts) -

I played P3 first and have a certain fondness for it because of it, but P4 is probably a better game.

I want Persona 5 so bad! Although at the same time I'm worried it won't live up to my, at this point, insanely high expectations.

#18 Posted by supermike6 (3557 posts) -

I definitely think Persona 4 is better in almost every way (especially the combat) but there are some aspects of Persona 3 I liked better.

#19 Posted by dr_mantas (1837 posts) -

They are both great games, I think people like the one they play first, usually.

#20 Edited by mutha3 (4985 posts) -

I think 4 is a lot better. Narrative as well. P3 lacked focus and had shoddy(ier?)pacing.
 @Kyle said:

I'm really surprised at the amount of people praising P3 for it's story and characters. I mean, I love the story and characters too, but I don't think they hold a candle 4. Oh wells.


P3 came first. That has to count for something, right?

@LordXavierBritish

said:

Persona 3 Portable has a grade school kid as a romance option.  Just saying.

god that was so creepy.
#21 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19329 posts) -
@Clubvodka said:
Yeah P3 has the best story and characters and I imagine P3 portable with P4's mechanics just kicks ass
Except P3 Portable sucks because the presentation, one of the nice parts of P3 and P4, takes a huge hit. 
 
I preferred P3 FES to Persona 4 mainly because of the game's story and awesome ending. 
 
And you could have just bumped this thread.
#22 Edited by Cloudenvy (5891 posts) -

@eldiax said:

Persona 3 had a better and more meaningful ending (not counting the Answer), but I think I liked Persona 4 just a bit more.

Don't you ever mention The Answer again!

Oh and I personally enjoyed Persona 3 more!

#23 Edited by BulletproofMonk (2720 posts) -

I very much prefer the story, setting and characters of Persona 3. Most of the characters in Persona 4 annoyed the hell out of me, but otherwise it's a great game. 
 
Persona 3. 
 
Also, this: 
 
@FluxWaveZ
said:


P3 Portable sucks because the presentation, one of the nice parts of P3 and P4, takes a huge hit. 
#24 Posted by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@Clubvodka said:
Yeah P3 has the best story and characters and I imagine P3 portable with P4's mechanics just kicks ass
Missed this.
 
Nah, it doesn't. Its a very well made port, and you can't expect much more out of them, but they crammed P4's battle-system in a game designed around P3's battle-system.
 
As a result, combat is ridiculously unbalanced and mind-numbingly easy.
#25 Edited by Soren (291 posts) -
@mutha3 said:

  As a result, combat is ridiculously unbalanced and mind-numbingly easy.  

Yup, and considering one of the early quest awards is fucking ten homunculi it's almost difficult to die on even the harder difficulty settings. 
 
While I personally prefer P3, there's no denying that P4 was a mechanically superior game. As it should be, considering the ridiculous way P3 seemed to section off your party members from the player, amongst other bizarre interface issues that warranted fixing in it's inevitable sequel. 
 
But fuck the Answer. Godamnit that was so hamfisted and bad.
#26 Posted by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@Soren said:
.  But fuck the Answer. Godamnit that was so hamfisted and bad.
i sort of remember reading somewhere that metis was a self-insert
 
is  this true
 
 
please tell me it isn't true
#27 Posted by Soren (291 posts) -
@mutha3: I tried searching Metis and self-insert and all I found was some fanfiction and a Tv Tropes article. So I'm gonna give that notion the benefit of the doubt but still...  
 
hey guys loosely explained portal to the past in the dorm leading to the mall good thing they serve robots in full body armor who needs a compendium am i right
#28 Posted by Kowbrainz (923 posts) -

Persona 3 for Story and Music. I also liked the use of animated cutscenes a lot more.
Persona 4 for Characters and pacing (plus the laid back sections like the school trips were more enjoyable) 
 
I didn't mind Persona 3's gameplay in terms of not being able to control your party, and the fusion spells were cool. I'd still pick P3FES over P3P because animated cutscenes, and character models in all the other cutscenes.
 
Overall though, Persona 4.

#29 Posted by iAmJohn (6117 posts) -

@mutha3 said:

I think 4 is a lot better. Narrative as well. P3 lacked focus and had shoddy(ier?)pacing.

Also, Ken and Koromaru are garbage characters, and Aigis completely sucked until the end,

#30 Posted by TehFlan (1944 posts) -

Persona 4. It plays better and I prefer the atmosphere.

#31 Edited by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:

@mutha3 said:

I think 4 is a lot better. Narrative as well. P3 lacked focus and had shoddy(ier?)pacing.

Also, Ken and Koromaru are garbage characters, and Aigis completely sucked until the end,A

I love the fact that Soejima Shigenori himself admitted that he didn't want to design Aigis because she "felt out of place". In the P3 Artbook.
 
Soejima knows what's up.

@Soren

said:

@mutha3:    hey guys loosely explained portal to the past in the dorm leading to the mall good thing they serve robots in full body armor who needs a compendium am i right

aw shit dog, that's my jam
 
lets all fight each other over petty bullshit for no fucking reason
#32 Posted by RE_Player1 (7558 posts) -
I like P3 because you are joining a pre-existing group with some established history, like the whole Ken, Akihiko and Shinji situation, but I like P4 because you are meeting new characters, bringing them together for the first time and the whole Persona situation is new to everyone. That being said P4 because of Chie and Naoto.
#33 Posted by Nux (2330 posts) -

I like them both. I have great memories of Persona 3 and I really like Persona 4. I really can't choose a favorite.

#34 Posted by RE_Player1 (7558 posts) -

Oh and I like to not think of The Answer as canon because to put it lightly it was garbage.

#35 Posted by InfiniteGeass (2052 posts) -

Persona 4 is way better with characters and plot, so Persona 4.

#36 Posted by NegativeCero (2995 posts) -

Having only played Persona 3, but watched the Endurance Run, I prefer P3.

#37 Posted by iAmJohn (6117 posts) -

@mutha3 said:

@Soren

said:

@mutha3: hey guys loosely explained portal to the past in the dorm leading to the mall good thing they serve robots in full body armor who needs a compendium am i right

aw shit dog, that's my jam lets all fight each other over petty bullshit for no fucking reason

Ahahahahahahahaha!

Oh man, The Answer was such fucking bullshit.

#38 Posted by Dork_Metamorphosis (251 posts) -

I played the shit out of P4, beat it multiple times, then picked up P3:FES. I found it kind of tough to get into, and when they introduced the robot girl I just gave up on it.

#39 Posted by Devoid (429 posts) -

@LordXavierBritish said:

Persona 3 Portable has a grade school kid as a romance option. Just saying.

Wasn't that even heavily edited for the English release? S'what I read.

#40 Posted by RE_Player1 (7558 posts) -

@iAmJohn said:

@mutha3 said:

@Soren

said:

@mutha3: hey guys loosely explained portal to the past in the dorm leading to the mall good thing they serve robots in full body armor who needs a compendium am i right

aw shit dog, that's my jam lets all fight each other over petty bullshit for no fucking reason

Ahahahahahahahaha!

Oh man, The Answer was such fucking bullshit.

If they made a The Answer type thing for Persona 4 I would cry. I can see it now, Charlie (yes Charlie) comes back a year later to find out Nanako is missing and has to go back into the TV. When he finally reaches Nanako she reveals she is actually his sister!!!! And a robot!!!! And she must die!!!!

#41 Posted by McGriddle550 (285 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish said:
Persona 3 Portable has a grade school kid as a romance option.  Just saying.
Dude. What?!?!
#42 Posted by bybeach (4790 posts) -

I liked personna 4, but not as a player.

#43 Posted by iAmJohn (6117 posts) -

@RE_Player92 said:

@iAmJohn said:

@mutha3 said:

@Soren

said:

@mutha3: hey guys loosely explained portal to the past in the dorm leading to the mall good thing they serve robots in full body armor who needs a compendium am i right

aw shit dog, that's my jam lets all fight each other over petty bullshit for no fucking reason

Ahahahahahahahaha!

Oh man, The Answer was such fucking bullshit.

If they made a The Answer type thing for Persona 4 I would cry. I can see it now, Charlie (yes Charlie) comes back a year later to find out Nanako is missing and has to go back into the TV. When he finally reaches Nanako she reveals she is actually his sister!!!! And a robot!!!! And she must die!!!!

In the end, you find out that Nanako was just a repressed part of your personality made manifest under the duress of having to live with your alcoholic uncle. It was all a dream. Chie wasn't real either.

#44 Posted by RE_Player1 (7558 posts) -

@iAmJohn said:

@RE_Player92 said:

@iAmJohn said:

@mutha3 said:

@Soren

said:

@mutha3: hey guys loosely explained portal to the past in the dorm leading to the mall good thing they serve robots in full body armor who needs a compendium am i right

aw shit dog, that's my jam lets all fight each other over petty bullshit for no fucking reason

Ahahahahahahahaha!

Oh man, The Answer was such fucking bullshit.

If they made a The Answer type thing for Persona 4 I would cry. I can see it now, Charlie (yes Charlie) comes back a year later to find out Nanako is missing and has to go back into the TV. When he finally reaches Nanako she reveals she is actually his sister!!!! And a robot!!!! And she must die!!!!

In the end, you find out that Nanako was just a repressed part of your personality made manifest under the duress of having to live with your alcoholic uncle. It was all a dream. Chie wasn't real either.

But at one point didn't you dream about you and Chie wrestling together? So was that a dream inside of a dream???....

This sounds retarded but not as retarded as The Answer. Fuck that was so bad. I wish it was wiped from my brain because remembering it actually detracts from my enjoyment of the original story.

#45 Posted by BoG (5187 posts) -

Persona 3 is dearer to my heart, being the SMT game that really got me into the series (I'd played other titles lightly, but this one really sucked me in). Ergo, I prefer it.  Looking at them as objectively as possible, I think the fourth game is stronger. You can control the entire party, which... well, in my opinion, should be required in turn-based RPGs that play like Persona. The dungeons, despite both titles having randomly generated dungeons, are better in four, having more personality. 3 has Tartarus, 4 has a video game, a laboratory, a castle... and many others. Both bost great social link based gameplay, memorable characters, and crazy Japanese storylines. The one thing 3 does MUCH better, and this is kind of trivial, are the types of damage you can inflict. They removed piercing and slashing! I like those! It gave the basic physical attacks... more!  It doesn't mean anything to me, but the third game was also longer than the fourth (well, when I played, anyways).
So, Persona 4 may just be an overall better title, having made improvements where it counted, but I prefer 3.
#46 Posted by Irvandus (2877 posts) -

3 because of the ball the developers had to have to do that thing at the end.

#47 Posted by BoG (5187 posts) -
@Irvandus said:
3 because of the ball the developers had to have to do that thing at the end.

singular?
#48 Posted by Aus_azn (2224 posts) -

3 has a more emotional storyline. 4 is the better game all around.

#49 Posted by TwilitEnd656 (617 posts) -

Well, that's...

Damn it, there's no way I can choose. WHY DO YOU DO THIS.

#50 Posted by Juno500 (396 posts) -

P3 is better, and here's why:
 
First of all, the pacing and flow of P3 was overall more consistent and felt less stop-and-go. P4 bunched up all your dungeon crawling days in 2 week periods, whereas P3 allowed you to spread it out over a month. P3 also didn't have those long gaps between completing a major section and being able to move onto the next one. In P4, once you rescued a victim, you had to wait a while before the next dungeon opened up. But in P3, once you finish the full moon event, you usually get access to the next section of Tartarus almost immediately.

Persona 3 also gave you more freedom in deciding when you wanted to dungeon crawl. The fact that rainy days have so much less to do in P4 effectively makes your decision for you in terms of when you decide to go in. It also forces you to spend more time exploring in each day because you need to make the most out of each day that you can. In P3, I felt better able to leave Tartarus earlier than normal if I got a little bored of exploring because it wasn't as imperative that I make the most out of the day as I can.

Persona 4 was also way too wordy, especially in the introduction. Although the dialogue itself in P4 was good, there was way too much of it, and it was redundant and felt unneccessary. I mean, it takes 2 and a half hours before the game really opens up and you have any real control over it. P3's intro was longer than it needed to be, but it wasn't nearly as close as that.

Persona 4 also has a strange difficulty curve. Yukiko's castle is the hardest section of the game, and yet it's the first dungeon of eight. And even after that there's still no consistency. The second dungeon is easier than the first, the third is much easier than that, but then it jumps up for the 4th, drops again for the 5th, goes up for the 6th, and then drops below that for the 7th and 8th. Overall it didn't feel like they did as good a job balancing the difficulty. P3 overall had a much more consistent difficulty level.

I also thought that they gave way too much health to the bosses in P4. The fights in P4 are long but not especially hard, making the biggest risk of failure coming from running out of SP. They just felt like big damage sponges. They aren't especially threating in terms of how much damage they do to you, but at the same time they have so much health that it takes forever to kill them. This results in the fights getting boring towards the end of them. The only exception I'd point out is Shadow Yukiko and maybe Shadow Mitsuo. P3 did bosses much better- they had a high damage output but only moderate HP, meaning that they were threatening but didn't take forever to kill. Granted, Nyx took longer than it needed to, but most of them didn't take forever.

The dungeon design was also better in P3. I'm not talking about the aesthetics, such as the art style or music. I'm talking about the actual layout that you have to navigate. P3's floors were smaller and more compact, and it made navigating them relatively simple and quick. P4 gave you these big floors that felt like rat mazes, and it felt like so much time was spent just getting from one end to another. Plus being able to send out the party members in P3 made things go even quicker.
 
To be clear I really love both games a lot, but whereas P4 is towards the bottom of my top 10 RPGs of all time, P3 would be number 1, easily.

(Copy + pasted from another forum where I got in a similar argument since I didn't want to rewrite all of this again)

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