EA and Maxis strike gold again! (Facebook post)

#1 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151549164609866&set=a.10150671443859866.416315.160156464865&type=1

So are you guys excited to further beta test SimCity, despite them charging more than what any other PC game costs? (excluding Blizzard games)

and look at some of the people posting positive comments, you can tell they are accounts created by EA employees as a most have stock photos and have 'liked' only EA games.

Convenient.

This is so gross. Some are being a bit OTT in the comments (Internet) but many of the complaints are legitimate, this game is truly quite busted even now that the servers are mostly fixed - but some are still losing cities and having other issues with the region play.

edit: Oh wait what I could have sworn I was in the SimCity forum.

#2 Edited by JJOR64 (18995 posts) -

EA is the best.

#3 Posted by Dalai (7031 posts) -

I keep thinking we wouldn't have these problems if the game was delayed 3-6 months to work out the bugs. And larger cities.

I'm officially done with this game until they fix all the issues.

#4 Posted by Darji (5294 posts) -

YEah how dare they try to correct things and try to make it a better game.

These monsters. How could they.... I feel offended.....

#5 Edited by Humanity (9279 posts) -

I did like that one guys post "how about the too little too late speed?"

how do you retweet on facebook?

#6 Posted by Barrock (3533 posts) -

Is the lack of Cheetah speed the reason why I was always so low on cash even though I had a positive income?

Or do I just suck?

#7 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@darji said:

YEah how dare they try to correct things and try to make it a better game.

These monsters. How could they.... I feel offended.....

That's not the issue. The issue seems to be that they launched the game with major problems like this in the first place.

#8 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

@darji said:

YEah how dare they try to correct things and try to make it a better game.

These monsters. How could they.... I feel offended.....

The king has already said it, it's added insult to injury that they released this game in such a state and charged more than any other PC game.

It's a fundamentally flawed game, it's quite funny just how broken it is as anyone who has checked /r/SimCity in recent weeks will have found out.

#9 Posted by gogosox82 (424 posts) -

@darji said:

YEah how dare they try to correct things and try to make it a better game.

These monsters. How could they.... I feel offended.....

The point is they should've done that before releasing the game not after. Its sort of an admittance that they released the game without testing everything to make sure everything would run properly and now their only doing this because of how poor of a state the game is in and b/c they are getting massive amounts of shits for their game not running properly. Its really a kick in the teeth for you if you bought this full price at launch.

#10 Edited by StarvingGamer (8251 posts) -
@sooty said:

So are you guys excited to further beta test SimCity, despite them charging more than what any other PC game costs? (excluding Blizzard games)

Mass Effect 3 PC - $59.99

Skyrim PC - $59.99

Bioshock Infinite PC - $59.99

As far as day-one PC purchases go, I think I've paid $59.99 as often as I've paid $49.99 in the past few years.

@darji said:

YEah how dare they try to correct things and try to make it a better game.

These monsters. How could they.... I feel offended.....

That's not the issue. The issue seems to be that they launched the game with major problems like this in the first place.

But attacking them every time they take a step towards bringing the game to where it should have been is extremely counterproductive. Not only are you not telling them anything they don't already know, you're diluting the message with the impression that at this point you simply have it in for SimCity and EA, no matter what state the game is in. It almost would be better if they just stopped trying to fix the game, since that way there wouldn't be any good news updates for people to shit all over and we could just move on.

#11 Edited by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@starvinggamer:

I'm not saying I agree; I was just trying to clarify, or at least theorize.

#12 Edited by MAGZine (438 posts) -

@sooty:

Honestly though, they're making an honest attempt to test their fixes before they deploy them and you critique them. Weren't you complaining before about them not testing their product before releasing it? What more do you want?

#13 Posted by Hailinel (24852 posts) -

@magzine said:

@sooty:

Honestly though, they're making an honest attempt to test their fixes before they deploy them and critique them. Weren't you complaining before about them not testing their product before releasing it? What more do you want?

How about a game that wasn't so fundamentally broken out of the gate?

When it's apparently possible to create Ron Paul's utopian society with a 1.8 million population comprised entirely of residential zones with no utilities or city services, all funded on a 0% tax rate, it's telling that the flaws are in its core design.

#14 Edited by MAGZine (438 posts) -

@hailinel: this is not a bug that affects my gameplay, though I'm not sure how much time you spend building 100% residential cities.

Like someone else said, if there was a bug that caused Mario to lose all lives and end the game if he jumped in place 1000 times, I really wouldn't care because that's not how I play the game and so it doesn't bother me.

My point isn't that it's fine that the game is broken, but rather that you shouldn't beat them up for trying to do the right thing (unless if you want them to do the wrong thing).

#15 Edited by captain_max707 (490 posts) -

As much as they may deserve it, I really don't like how people are continuing to bash EA on this. All I can think about are the people having all these terrible, hateful comments directed towards them when they likely had zero to do with how that game was designed and how it turned out. There's being upset at a product for failing to live up to expectations, and then there's aggression for the sake of aggression.

I guess EA is at fault for that too, though, seeing as they continue to pretend everything is alright. It's a shame this has turned into such a shitty situation.

#16 Posted by Hailinel (24852 posts) -

@magzine said:

@hailinel: this is not a bug that affects my gameplay, though I'm not sure how much time you spend building 100% residential cities.

Like someone else said, if there was a bug that caused Mario to lose all lives and end the game if he jumped in place 1000 times, I really wouldn't care because that's not how I play the game and so it doesn't bother me.

My point isn't that it's fine that the game is broken, but rather that you shouldn't beat them up for trying to do the right thing (unless if you want them to do the wrong thing).

It's a demonstrable flaw in the simulation. One of apparently numerous.

#17 Posted by MAGZine (438 posts) -

@hailinel: I was never saying that it wasn't. I'm saying that nobody builds cities like this and it's a dumb example to bring up.

#18 Posted by Hailinel (24852 posts) -

@magzine said:

@hailinel: I was never saying that it wasn't. I'm saying that nobody builds cities like this and it's a dumb example to bring up.

Why is it a dumb example? And if no one builds cities like that, what do you call Megabumtopia? A mass hallucination?

#19 Posted by TheHT (11299 posts) -

How patronizing.

#20 Posted by MAGZine (438 posts) -

@hailinel: nobody builds cities like that in the same way that nobody plays games like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vACc4FXM0A

No, it's not the same, but you get the idea. Yep, a glitch exists, nope, it doesn't really affect anyone.

#21 Edited by EXTomar (4742 posts) -

So when Maxis marketing and advertising claims that they have an advanced simulation that produced accurate results that requires cloud infrastructure to generate realistic responses but it turns out to be lies in multiple respects, it doesn't count because it is a video game? It is really all our fault that SimCity doesn't feel like it behaves or functions correctly. Gotcha.

If you need another hint: I don't believe people believed that SimCity would make the expert in real world city planners. That doesn't mean they can make major promises, fail to deliver on them, and then act like nothing happened.

I do understand @starvinggamer stance but what other recourse does a buyer have against this kind of behavior. Of course we want SimCity fixed but that fix should come because buyers are unhappy about the game where doing the opposite (being nice) in hopes that placates Maxis to address issues is kind of perverse. Also I do wonder if you are onto something that SimCity might be a lost cause given the scope of the fundamental flaws discovered in various systems and subsystems in the game. Is it worth fixing this game or just abandoning it and starting over? I am not sure either way where in the perfect world I would like to see them fix this game, abandon it and release a much improved "next version" some other day.

#22 Edited by Darji (5294 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@magzine said:

@sooty:

Honestly though, they're making an honest attempt to test their fixes before they deploy them and critique them. Weren't you complaining before about them not testing their product before releasing it? What more do you want?

How about a game that wasn't so fundamentally broken out of the gate?

When it's apparently possible to create Ron Paul's utopian society with a 1.8 million population comprised entirely of residential zones with no utilities or city services, all funded on a 0% tax rate, it's telling that the flaws are in its core design.

Didnt they already figured out that this is just a bug because of having a 0% tax rate? Nothing big really. But I love how people try and try and try tom make the game even worse. IT is like they killed teir children and now they are on revenge. Was the same with DMC. People only played it too look for glitches and bugs^^

#23 Posted by Bourbon_Warrior (4523 posts) -

That copy of Dead Space 3 and the countless hours I have already put into Sim City, I really don't feel ripped off at all.

#24 Posted by StarvingGamer (8251 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@magzine said:

@hailinel: I was never saying that it wasn't. I'm saying that nobody builds cities like this and it's a dumb example to bring up.

Why is it a dumb example? And if no one builds cities like that, what do you call Megabumtopia? A mass hallucination?

No one builds cities like that if they are actually playing the game the way it's meant to be played. Just like my example (thank you) of Mario jumping 1000 times in place causing him to lose all his lives. Yes it's a bug. Yes you can take video of it to prove that it's a bug. Neither one of them would have any impact on anyone playing the game who wasn't looking for it on purpose.

@extomar: I'm not saying Maxis gets a free pass. I'm just saying there are constructive ways of going about it and this isn't one of them. This thread is essentially calling Maxis out for fixing their game. What is the message here? "You're trying to make the game better for the people that would still like to enjoy it? Fuck you, those people should suffer." The damage to EA and Maxis in terms of popular opinion has already been done. The only people this specific level of internet hatred can hurt at this point are the players.

#25 Posted by OfficeGamer (1087 posts) -

I hope this game will be the knock out punch that will teach people not to pre-order EA games...

It won't.

#26 Edited by EXTomar (4742 posts) -

Maxis and EA are "big boys" so they can take the criticism. You've got a point that many gamers are being whiners but that is them where Maxis needs to do the right thing regardless of what people or whiners want.

Which gets back to the FB post: I would appreciate it if they wouldn't couch fixes like new feature/content updates. It is insulting to suggest I should be excited about something that should not have been a problem in the first place.

#27 Edited by Hunter5024 (5689 posts) -

Yeah I'm pretty much done with this game for now. I do think it will be awesome in a few months once all of these bugs are figured out and mods have found ways to save offline and increase the city size. Unfortunately whenever that time comes I doubt people will be willing to give it a second chance.

#28 Posted by expensiveham (293 posts) -

@hailinel said:

How about a game that wasn't so fundamentally broken out of the gate?

When it's apparently possible to create Ron Paul's utopian society with a 1.8 million population comprised entirely of residential zones with no utilities or city services, all funded on a 0% tax rate, it's telling that the flaws are in its core design.

Worth adding that the population numbers are heavily inflated by the engine to make the cities seem larger then they are.

#29 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

@starvinggamer said:
@sooty said:

So are you guys excited to further beta test SimCity, despite them charging more than what any other PC game costs? (excluding Blizzard games)

Mass Effect 3 PC - $59.99

Skyrim PC - $59.99

Bioshock Infinite PC - $59.99

As far as day-one PC purchases go, I think I've paid $59.99 as often as I've paid $49.99 in the past few years.

UK:

Mass Effect 3 PC - £25-£30 (Boxed)

Skyrim PC - £28 (Boxed)

BioShock Infinite PC - £30 with free copy of XCOM and BioShock (Steam)

SimCity 2013 - £45 or £60 for 'deluxe' (Origin, around £40 boxed)

All prices I paid on release. Standard pricing for PC games except SimCity which was 50% more. (excluding Diablo III and StarCraft which were between £35-40)

EA also tried to get £45 for TOR I believe, then the £9 per month subscription or so on top. Could be wrong about that up front price.

#30 Posted by Colourful_Hippie (4352 posts) -

@sooty said:

@starvinggamer said:
@sooty said:

So are you guys excited to further beta test SimCity, despite them charging more than what any other PC game costs? (excluding Blizzard games)

Mass Effect 3 PC - $59.99

Skyrim PC - $59.99

Bioshock Infinite PC - $59.99

As far as day-one PC purchases go, I think I've paid $59.99 as often as I've paid $49.99 in the past few years.

UK:

Mass Effect 3 PC - £25-£30 (Boxed)

Skyrim PC - £28 (Boxed)

BioShock Infinite PC - £30 with free copy of XCOM and BioShock (Steam)

SimCity 2013 - £45 or £60 for 'deluxe' (Origin, around £40 boxed)

All prices I paid on release. Standard pricing for PC games except SimCity which was 50% more. (excluding Diablo III and StarCraft which were between £35-40)

EA also tried to get £45 for TOR I believe, then the £9 per month subscription or so on top. Could be wrong about that up front price.

People still pay full price for PC games? Even wanting to play day 1 with some games I haven't payed full price for one game for a long fucking time and no, I don't have to go to shady Steam key sites to buy games for cheap.

#31 Posted by Sooty (8082 posts) -

@sooty said:

@starvinggamer said:
@sooty said:

So are you guys excited to further beta test SimCity, despite them charging more than what any other PC game costs? (excluding Blizzard games)

Mass Effect 3 PC - $59.99

Skyrim PC - $59.99

Bioshock Infinite PC - $59.99

As far as day-one PC purchases go, I think I've paid $59.99 as often as I've paid $49.99 in the past few years.

UK:

Mass Effect 3 PC - £25-£30 (Boxed)

Skyrim PC - £28 (Boxed)

BioShock Infinite PC - £30 with free copy of XCOM and BioShock (Steam)

SimCity 2013 - £45 or £60 for 'deluxe' (Origin, around £40 boxed)

All prices I paid on release. Standard pricing for PC games except SimCity which was 50% more. (excluding Diablo III and StarCraft which were between £35-40)

EA also tried to get £45 for TOR I believe, then the £9 per month subscription or so on top. Could be wrong about that up front price.

People still pay full price for PC games? Even wanting to play day 1 with some games I haven't payed full price for one game for a long fucking time and no, I don't have to go to shady Steam key sites to buy games for cheap.

Not all the time, but some games are hard to find anymore than £2-3 cheaper than full price.

#32 Edited by OmegaPirate (5522 posts) -

Yeah!!! Fuck EA!! worst company of the year again! woo fuck them



#33 Posted by Cameron (600 posts) -

@extomar said:

Which gets back to the FB post: I would appreciate it if they wouldn't couch fixes like new feature/content updates. It is insulting to suggest I should be excited about something that should not have been a problem in the first place.

I think this is the big problem. They shouldn't boast about reimplementing a feature that they pulled out of the game to stop it from exploding. The right way to do this is to just tell us when it's back in the game and continue to apologize about pulling it in the first place.

#34 Edited by EXTomar (4742 posts) -

I'm all for Maxis announcing "The problems with Chetah Speed have been addressed, being tested, and are looking for players to test it". I'm not for "Who is excited to test Chetah Speed?" I am not a marketing expert but I would believe this is an idiotic question to ask a buyer who is not happy with the game nor is it a good thing to point out if you are less hostile and just want a better game or didn't even know.

#35 Posted by dudeglove (7862 posts) -

lol wat

#36 Posted by Bollard (5560 posts) -

I like SimCity, am I a bad person?

I haven't even touched my FREE Dead Space 3 yet either...

#37 Edited by RollingZeppelin (1977 posts) -

I'm glad that they're finally implementing a core feature of the game.

I'm very agitated that it took them a goddamn month to fix it to a feature complete, yet still buggy as hell state.

I hope the backlash sting them so bad that they never try to pull this bullshit again, you can't run a game company like this and we as customers should stand up against their crap.

#38 Posted by super2j (1698 posts) -

@dalai said:

I keep thinking we wouldn't have these problems if the game was delayed 3-6 months to work out the bugs. And larger cities.

I'm officially done with this game until they fix all the issues.

even if you gave them that time there would still be a horrible launch because one of the biggest issues were that they refuse to get the appropriate number of servers. That genius idea would still be applied.

#39 Posted by President_Barackbar (3462 posts) -

That copy of Dead Space 3 and the countless hours I have already put into Sim City, I really don't feel ripped off at all.

I like SimCity, am I a bad person?

I haven't even touched my FREE Dead Space 3 yet either...

I don't understand how people can hold up the free game they gave to everyone as a symbol that they righted the wrong. Is that how easily people can be bought nowadays? Can a company fuck over the consumer as much as they want as long as they give you a free game?

#40 Posted by Bourbon_Warrior (4523 posts) -

@bourbon_warrior said:

That copy of Dead Space 3 and the countless hours I have already put into Sim City, I really don't feel ripped off at all.

@chavtheworld said:

I like SimCity, am I a bad person?

I haven't even touched my FREE Dead Space 3 yet either...

I don't understand how people can hold up the free game they gave to everyone as a symbol that they righted the wrong. Is that how easily people can be bought nowadays? Can a company fuck over the consumer as much as they want as long as they give you a free game?

I never actually have trouble apart from the first day launch on the Oceania server, I put like 20 hours into the game the 1st week, so them giving a game worth the same price as the game I brought was really unexpected and actually pretty cool. But I understand people in American and Europe went though worse server issues.

#41 Posted by Bollard (5560 posts) -

@bourbon_warrior said:

That copy of Dead Space 3 and the countless hours I have already put into Sim City, I really don't feel ripped off at all.

@chavtheworld said:

I like SimCity, am I a bad person?

I haven't even touched my FREE Dead Space 3 yet either...

I don't understand how people can hold up the free game they gave to everyone as a symbol that they righted the wrong. Is that how easily people can be bought nowadays? Can a company fuck over the consumer as much as they want as long as they give you a free game?

I wasn't... I was saying it's a nice bonus to go with a game I already like.

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