Unprecedented hate on the Bombcast.

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#1 Edited by supermike6 (3564 posts) -

I love the crew, and I don't want to be one of those guys who just hates on them if they dislike a game I like, but I felt they were really unfair on Shattered Dimensions. As Jeff said, he played about 45 minutes of it, saw a bunch of bugs (which I never saw playing through the game) and then they all proceeded to shit on it for five minutes (with most of them having played it). I just want to say, that this is a well-made Spider-Man game, and is probably the closest to a "Batman: Arkham Asylum but for Spider-Man"  as we're going to get.
 
Anyone agree? I love the guys, but it's really not their place to judge a game they have never played.

#2 Posted by Feser (543 posts) -

If they hate it they can say so. It's not like they are biased, and if the game suddenly become good they will continue to hate it. Their initial impression is poor.
#3 Posted by Milkman (16800 posts) -

I'm sure there will be a Quick Look and stuff as well. 

#4 Posted by R3Qui4M (408 posts) -
@supermike6: He also said he just came off of playing Halo: Reach, which is an incredible polished experience. So he said the bugs have seemed more glaring that they are.
#5 Posted by Synthballs (2193 posts) -

I've played the DS Version, it plays like a "My First Metroid" and it's pretty awesome.

#6 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@supermike6 said:
" I love the crew, and I don't want to be one of those guys who just hates on them if they dislike a game I like, but I felt they were really unfair on Shattered Dimensions. As Jeff said, he played about 45 minutes of it, saw a bunch of bugs (which I never saw playing through the game) and then they all proceeded to shit on it for five minutes (with most of them having played it). I just want to say, that this is a well-made Spider-Man game, and is probably the closest to a "Batman: Arkham Asylum but for Spider-Man"  as we're going to get. Anyone agree? I love the guys, but it's really not their place to judge a game they have never played. "
It has some big issues you know. The biggest being one where you clip into objects and have to restart. Or a boss clipping underground. 
#7 Edited by TooWalrus (13202 posts) -

Spider-man is apologetically corny. Jeff Gerstmann hates good stuff. Both characters have characteristics that rub people the wrong way, sometimes.

#8 Posted by Brendan (7811 posts) -

It's got middle of the road reviews all around, so I assume some people will find it's faults more glaring than others. 
#9 Posted by Scullinator (514 posts) -

I think the bombcast is becoming more about the personalities of the crew and less about video games. 

#10 Posted by septim (774 posts) -

They have the luxury to pick and choose coverage, so they just straight up dismiss stuff that doesn't grab them.
 
The amount of shit talked for a 45 minute playthrough seemed really excessive though.

#11 Posted by Detrian (1126 posts) -

Spoilers: It's a shitty game.

#12 Posted by Hero_Swe (1140 posts) -

Web of Shadows was better. :P
#13 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

This was the first time they ever hated anything. Unprecedented guys.

#14 Posted by Dany (7887 posts) -

Unprecedented hate? Jeff played the game and did not like how 2/4 of the game modes played for the time he has played. How the hell is that unprecedented? You have to realize that maybe will like it, he did not like what he played.

#15 Posted by demonbear (1859 posts) -
@TooWalrus said:
" Jeff hates stuff. "
That aint Halo. QTF.
#16 Posted by BigDre (116 posts) -

If i remember Jeff did say they would do a quick look.  I don't remember all of them shitting on the game that only Jeff has played.
#17 Posted by louiedog (2335 posts) -

You should feel lucky to not have experienced any bugs. I haven't played it, but that's basically all I've been hearing about it. Before the Bombcast went up I saw quite a few people on twitter complaining about glaring bugs, including Joystiq's Justin McElroy who said he had to restart (not sure if the whole game or just the level/checkpoint) multiple times due to glitches stopping his progress.

#18 Posted by ProfessorEss (7376 posts) -
@ryanwho said:
" This was the first time they ever hated anything. Unprecedented guys. "
lol, that's the first thing I thought of too.
Them hating a game that they've barely played (not played at all) is far from unprecedented.
 
No big, just take it for what it's worth.
#19 Posted by Brenderous (1101 posts) -

Maybe some people don't like the same games as other people and their opinions are also valid?

Plus Batman could totally kick Spiderman's ass. (please don't start a big forum debate it was a joke)

#20 Posted by Vinny_Says (5709 posts) -
@supermike6: Did Jeff say there were even any bugs? I though his complaints were more towards the stupid voice acting....
#21 Posted by baron_calamity (240 posts) -

I think they are being a little harsh on the spider-man character. The voice acting and the characters are one thing Shattered Dimensions got right. As they said, maybe their just don't like Spider-man. Spider-man is an annoying prick. Not as much as Deadpool these days but that how he has been written for the 30 some years I've been reading the comics. Thats cool and i'm glad they admitted it. As for the game itself, I'm really enjoying it, a lot more than Web of Shadows , but I can get the hate GB has for it. it is broken and "janky" in a lot of places. The sad thing it, it may be the best Spider-man game ever but its still not very good. :\  There was a reason why it was thrown out right before Halo Reach.
I've heard the next Spider-man game is going to really surprise some people. So I hold out hope.
#22 Posted by paradox121 (317 posts) -
@blacklabeldomm said:
" @supermike6: Did Jeff say there were even any bugs? I though his complaints were more towards the stupid voice acting.... "
Yeah he said he had loads of scripting errors, with the game stopping and enemies clipping etc.
#23 Posted by Vinny_Says (5709 posts) -
@paradox121: oh right, yeah you're right....
#24 Posted by Irishjohn (581 posts) -
@Scullinator said:
" I think the bombcast is becoming more about the personalities of the crew and less about video games.  "
I agree completely. In some ways this annoys me but often I don't mind. I just fast forward through the "isn't Jeff hilarious?" DSiWare segments. These guys have been open from the start that they are going to express their own views because they're independent. To be fair, comments on a bombcast are not the same as a review, and Jeff would certainly take more care with a written review. I take the comments on the bombcast as comments made by people that dig video games and that's it. If they think something I like is crap, more power to them. It doesn't affect my enjoyment of the bombcast.
#25 Posted by The_Boots (86 posts) -

Jeff's also been reviewing games for a very long time. I think while he totally knows what he's doing, but he's probably at the point where if a game comes off as slipshod, he's less likely to tolerate it. Besides:  there are so many great and polished games, why waste time on a game that isn't properly tested? Why play an inferior Spiderman: Arkham Asylum when you already have the real one sitting on your shelf?

And if all else fails, he's old. Maybe he was just cranky!

#26 Posted by FreakAche (2953 posts) -

Whatever, no Spider-man game will ever top the Spider-Man 2 movie game.

#27 Posted by Hunkulese (2724 posts) -

Why do people have to get defensive when someone disagrees with their opinion? 45 min is usually long enough to have a good impression of what the game has to offer. They have every right to hate the game just as you have every right to love the game.

#28 Posted by bartok (2481 posts) -

I love Spider-Man: Shattered Dimension but Jeff hated it.  He had some valid complaints but  the fact that he didn't like the game did not take away from my enjoyment with the game.

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#29 Posted by Noodles (539 posts) -

I played a bit of it and had a similar experience. It is the exact opposite of fun.

#30 Posted by alternate (2707 posts) -

Only Jeff said he hated it.  Ryan commented on how previous Spiderman games have been crap.  The other two said next to nothing.  Jeff even ruled himself out of the QL/review to give the game a fair shake.

#31 Posted by Atomasist (2818 posts) -

OMG, Jeff doesn't like a game!

#32 Posted by beard_of_zeus (1686 posts) -
@bartok said:
" I love Spider-Man: Shattered Dimension but Jeff hated it.  He had some valid complaints but  the fact that he didn't like the game did not take away from my enjoyment with the game. "
Exactly. I feel the same way. It's not like Jeff is somehow stealing joy from you by having a differing opinion or anything, no need to get all bent up about it. I've read about a lot of folks having some bugs playing through the game - luckily, I did not encounter any of this, but perhaps if I had I would have not liked the game as much. Who knows?
#33 Posted by paradox121 (317 posts) -
@FreakAche said:
" Whatever, no Spider-man game will ever top the Spider-Man 2 movie game. "
Yes! As they were talking about Spider-man finally getting his 'Arkham Asylum' I was waiting for them to cite this. It was an awesome game that got the controls/feeling of web slinging down to a tee. Sure, missions were repetitive but....awesome game.
#34 Posted by Chris2KLee (2336 posts) -

The reviews have been average, and most of the major reviews I've read have stated an unpolished feel to it. I think the Gametrailers review does a good job of showing some of those pretty bad glitches in action.

#35 Posted by trophyhunter (5800 posts) -

It's already been price cut at many places

#36 Posted by McBradders (150 posts) -

Gerstmann stole what little joy I had just because he could :(

#37 Posted by baron_calamity (240 posts) -
@trophyhunter:
I noticed that. As much as I'm enjoying myself, I wish I waited.
#38 Posted by bcjohnnie (442 posts) -
@supermike6:  Also, just to be clear, "unprecedented hate" doesn't mean "hate that I don't agree with" or "a lot of hate"....  I think you meant "unwarranted hate" or something like that.
 
Jeff's hating on Spider-Man has a lot of precedent, he hates on a lot of games in exactly the same way.
 
I know this might make me come off like a dick, but people should really know what words mean when using them.
#39 Posted by luce (4045 posts) -

Yeah...I think Jeff is a cool dude and all but my opinion is VASTLY different from his
 
I loved Majora's Mask and hated the Bionic Commando Remake
 
Opinions will be opinions...he doesn't need to put IMO at the end of all his sentences so i think you should just accept it for what it is

#40 Posted by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -
@Atomasist said:
" OMG, Jeff doesn't like a game! "
Unprecedented!
#41 Posted by Grissefar (2842 posts) -

How about you accept the fact that Jeff dislikes a game that you don't? It's going to be problematic for you to listen to the Bombcast if you're going to make a thread like this each time a crew member disagrees with your game tastes.

#42 Posted by nohthink (1223 posts) -
@supermike6: You have to remember a couple of things. 
1. Video game reviews are solely based on the experience of the reviewer. If he experience some bugs during this review, he had played a game that was not finished. Of course, some bugs might not appear when others play. Look at Kane & Lynch 2 review. Jeff experienced an almost a game breaking bug when other reviewers(as far as I know) did not experience. So there is a possibility that Jeff did experience some bugs that you did not experience at all. 
 
2. Whether we like it or not, video game review is totally a personal opinion. It's just that some people's opinions get more credits because of their much experiences. Jeff might have hated the game(and yes I do agree with you that it was unfair for the game to be criticized when Jeff played only 45 minutes of it) but it sounded Ryan did not hate it as much as Jeff did. I'm guessing because Ryan actually likes comic books a lot and has some soft spots for Spidey. 
 
3. Listen the game reviewers but don't take them as the truth. If you like the game, then it's a good game. You don't have to convince others unless they seriously "why do you like this game?" You might have a good explanation, you might not. It does not really matter. Game reviews(or other reviews also for that matter) are guide lines. Don't get offended by that. It's not a big deal. I like the new Spider Man: Shattered Dimension too :)
#43 Posted by MikkaQ (10290 posts) -

Spiderman games have been pretty rough quality since Spiderman 2. Ultimate was okay, but not great. 

#44 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

He said he didn't like it after 45 minutes, I'm missing how that's unfair.

#45 Posted by Shadow (4980 posts) -

They also had some bad things to say about Reach.  While I don't think this Spider-man is great, it's certainly competent and undeserving of the hate Jeff has for it.  It's not really his fault though.  This is what I hate about the fall season of video games: reviewers are playing so many games to give their opinion on them that they just want to get through it.  They get impatient with the smaller stuff that would barely even register in say, the summer when they only review a few games a month.  This results in nearly all their opinions being influenced by time pressure and stress of just wanting to get through it and the reviews highly suspect when they're being read by someone who intends to play the game in order to relax.  Take for example, Jeff talking about running past any fight he could in Reach.  Anyone who played the game by now knows that's ludicrous.  However, the game while entertaining in normal situations when you want to sit back and relax with a video game, is basically taking part in a vast number of fairly large-scale fights which can each take a fairly long time.  For that reason and to Halo's disadvantage, it's not something that can be enjoyed when you just want to get through it as fast as possible, have so much else to do ironically before you can relax and be in the correct mindset to actually review the stuff.  I really do wish the press would stop forcing their reviewers to cast opinions on a shitload of games at one time because it causes me to disregard the opinions they lost sleep over to develop.

#46 Posted by Jedted (2363 posts) -

 
You should keep in mind that Jeff isn't a big comic book guy so his distaste for Spider-man as a character is understandable.  In the case of Batman:AA i recall him saying he enjoyed the gameplay but didn't really care for the story. 
 
Also, i don't think the rest of the gang out right hated the game as much as Jeff did.  The big discussion was mainly "when will Spidey get the Arkham Asylum treatment?".  According to some user reviews Shattered Dimensions is close enough to be fun, but to a lot of people "close enough" isn't quite good enough. 

#47 Posted by bhhawks78 (1206 posts) -

Talking about a game =/= a review. 
 
If you enjoyed it good, they didn't oh well.  No reason to cry about it. 
 
Also basically everything I've heard about this game anywhere has boiled down to.  Buggy as fuck.  Same animations for the past handful of games.  Noir is cool but only because it's a bootleg arkham Asylum.

#48 Posted by xxizzypop (577 posts) -
@Shadow: In regards to Halo: Reach, running past fights after a while wasn't just a press problem, it was a 'real-people problem'. I know that by the end of the game, I was certainly feeling the same way -- it's not that the fights are bad, simply that there's not really a new element every introduced since you're fighting the same Covenant you have been for the past decade. Once you figure out how to beat them, it just becomes a grind. 
 
But this is simply where people's own styles of playing video games shines through. You clearly wanted the whole experience, where as some of us just grew battle fatigued.  
 
To be much more on topic though, I've yet to try Shattered Dimensions. I was interested at first, but quickly realized the only one I cared about was Noir. Spider-Man just ain't my cuppa tea, but I'm sure I'll give it a swing eventually. 
#49 Posted by High_Nunez (218 posts) -

From what I remember he seemed to mostly bash how little he liked Spider-Man's one-liners, which are either amusing if well written, and irritating if they're not. At the end of the day though it's a matter of opinion. Or maybe Jeff's right, he hates Spider-Man. 

#50 Posted by DrPockets000 (2859 posts) -

I loved the game, didn't catch any glitches, save for one where a script didn't run so I had to restart a checkpoint, which set me back an UNPRECEDENTED 20 seconds.   
 
Generally, I tend to get pretty lucky when it comes to glitches, I rarely encounter them.  I agree that some of the quips were fucking stupid (and he & Madame Web don't play off each other very well).  Some were really funny though.  

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