Is the Spy Overpowered? YES.
Is he a cheap character in an otherwise awesome game? YES

So... he's a character that can not only turn invisible, but he can make himself look like my own team, and the only way to tell if he is in disguise is to shoot at all of my teammates, wasting ammo and time?

But you say he only has a puny knife and revolver, so he isn't that offensively strong? That would be fine if his knife didn't ALWAYS get an instant kill everytime he used it (apparently just to the slight side of my front is still my back, so it still counts as a backstab).

Oh yeah, and he can destroy all of my structures and placements too with his sapper..

So the Spy is some sort of... Structure Destroyer? And he also can become any character in the game, and then upon being sighted (which is a miracle if it happens in itself) can run away and disappear into thin air with his cloaking and high speed...

So YES, the spy IS overpowered!


Disagree? You're wrong, but still you can discuss it, I guess...

Nope. You're wrong.

Really though, play the spy than say he's overpowered.

Ummm. the spy is pretty much royally fucked by how the game is played today. Pyros run around everywhere and engineers hump their sentries with their wrenches. Only a truly skilled spy can cause havoc on skilled players, and that's pretty much true with all of the classes.  Besides, there are many ways to tell if someone is an enemy spy. First of all, the best way to check is to look at their health meter. It's exactly half filled everytime you look at them (unless they have been healed by a friendly medic... which means that medic sucks.). If you see a half-filled health meter, it's probably a spy. A spy out of disguise is pretty useless. One or two hits from pretty much any weapon will kill a spy right on the spot...

Yeah spies aren't overpowered... anymore. When the game first released, it was harder for people to discover a spy, so they got owned a lot.

The Spy is one of the top 2 or 3 characters that takes the highest skill to play, I would argue it's the most skillful character.

If your team is getting bent over backwards by one or more enemy spies then you're not taking enough measures to protect against them (knowing who on your team is what character thereby knowing if the spy has the wrong name matched to the wrong character, and if the spy is imitating this then you should be occasionally plugging your teammates to ensure they aren't spies.) You should know how enemy spies will come in and where/how they will most typically prey on you.

If you're playing in a scenario where someone has a mastery of the spy then you will also be playing in a scenario where other people have mastery of other characters (just because the spy takes practice and skill, and someone can't BS their way through playing with one.) The spy is just not something you can play  for the first few times and know "How to play" almost instinctively, like the Heavy or the Pyro.

"Nope. You're wrong.

Really though, play the spy than say he's overpowered."

I never found the spy very powerful if your team communicates.

"Dude, is anyone a heavy?"

"Nope."

*Unleashes Fury*

"Weltal said:

"Nope. You're wrong.

Really though, play the spy than say he's overpowered."

I've played the spy a bit, and yes, he is overpowered. There were times when I went an entire match only dieing maybe one or two times as the spy, but still causing all typed of trouble and mayhem to the other team. "

^^ yes. A single decent pyro on the opposing team can screw over any spy.

"Terrell said:

"Weltal said:

"Nope. You're wrong.

Really though, play the spy than say he's overpowered."

I've played the spy a bit, and yes, he is overpowered. There were times when I went an entire match only dieing maybe one or two times as the spy, but still causing all typed of trouble and mayhem to the other team. "

Then this has nothing to do with the Spy being overpowered, it has to do with the people you were palying against sucking."

Nope. I'm really a great spy checker, and I don't ever play pyro. The only way i ever get killed by a spy is when they go invisible until they are behind me, and then stab me. But that's usually my own fault. A disguised spy hasn't killed me since the first few days of owning the game.

The spy is pretty overpowered
IF
You have the proper skills and 0 latency
And few have that where I am

Sorry but I've never been in a game where one or two or three spies dominated the entire game. It's happened with great demoman players, but that's it. The spy is not overpowered, it's actually arguably underpowered seeing as how it just takes one slight step to be noticed by the opposing team when they clip into you and come to a dead stop. The mere existence of the pyro keeps spies from being overpowered. Also, no the spy doesn't BECOME any other class in the game, he simply looks like those classes. He's not Shang Tsung, sorry pal.

"Is the Spy Overpowered? YES.
Is he a cheap character in an otherwise awesome game? YES

So... he's a character that can not only turn invisible, but he can make himself look like my own team, and the only way to tell if he is in disguise is to shoot at all of my teammates, wasting ammo and time?

But you say he only has a puny knife and revolver, so he isn't that offensively strong? That would be fine if his knife didn't ALWAYS get an instant kill everytime he used it (apparently just to the slight side of my front is still my back, so it still counts as a backstab).

Oh yeah, and he can destroy all of my structures and placements too with his sapper..

So the Spy is some sort of... Structure Destroyer? And he also can become any character in the game, and then upon being sighted (which is a miracle if it happens in itself) can run away and disappear into thin air with his cloaking and high speed...

So YES, the spy IS overpowered!


Disagree? You're wrong, but still you can discuss it, I guess..."

I award you zero points!  Sorry.

Most spies playing against a good, solid team will have their face handed to them.  All it takes is one sap or backstab to get the whole team screaming 'Spy!' and then it's shotgun blast or pyro-check on pretty much anyone running in the wrong direction.

Has the class got the ability to be very strong?  Yes.  Is it overpowered?  No, since there are too many counterbalances to his abiities.

I just wanted the OP to see this.

http://zip.4chan.org/v/res/19829799.html

This totally is not even close to true. For one- if you play it on the PC and not the 360(most players on 360 seem to be complete fucking morons) and play a spy, unless you are so absolutely careful, and just lucky sometimes, being a spy is very difficult...all it takes is a pyro or 2 onthe opposing team that sually flame every single teamate that walks near them. Unless you only move whiled cloaked it can be near impossible to get anything done as a spy when people have grown so paranoid about them.

edit-I just realized that now demilich, either they posted that originally or just copied it because they feel the same way..thats pretty funny.

fyi, i am a spy

There's this dude I know on XBL(even though I can't stand that version of TF2 one of my friends has it so I put up with it)  anyway, his tag is" FYI I am a Spy", which I love, and its always hilarious when I see someone got killed by him, or he is somehow tricking people with that name.

waaa, something always kills me, it must be cheap, waaaaa

sorry thats all i heard.

learn to play the game, If your getting slaughtered by spies, change to pyro and flame everyone you see.