Square Enix Producing Another MMO for Some Reason

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Posted by Alex (1935 posts) -

Despite the fact that the publisher hasn't exactly had the best track record with MMO development thus far-- Final Fantasy XI was tepidly received, but managed a decent audience following; Final Fantasy XIV...not so much--Square Enix CEO Yoichi Wada seems awfully sure of the company's ability to develop and maintain a bunch of these things.

I don't know what the hell that is, but it seemed like a pretty good visual metaphor for Final Fantasy XIV. Because it's weird, and on fire.

In a transcript posted yesterday of the publisher's May 13th earnings call--which was translated by Andriasang--Wada stated that the company has a new MMO title in development that the company hopes to announce in this fiscal year. What that title is, exactly, is unclear at the moment, but it is something separate from the current titles Squeenix already maintains. Wada believes that the company having two-to-three different online subscription-based titles will help maintain the company's cash flow.

That probably doesn't do much to quell the seething hate currently residing within anyone still playing Final Fantasy XIV. Wada did apparently go out of his way to mention the problems currently plaguing that title and to state that fixing it will take a little longer, but that a "target" is in sight. So that's reassuring. Probably. Okay, not really.

Also, no word yet on that PS3 version of Final Fantasy XIV, but I'm guessing there's not very many of you out there still keeping a candle burning for that one.

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#1 Posted by Alex (1935 posts) -

Despite the fact that the publisher hasn't exactly had the best track record with MMO development thus far-- Final Fantasy XI was tepidly received, but managed a decent audience following; Final Fantasy XIV...not so much--Square Enix CEO Yoichi Wada seems awfully sure of the company's ability to develop and maintain a bunch of these things.

I don't know what the hell that is, but it seemed like a pretty good visual metaphor for Final Fantasy XIV. Because it's weird, and on fire.

In a transcript posted yesterday of the publisher's May 13th earnings call--which was translated by Andriasang--Wada stated that the company has a new MMO title in development that the company hopes to announce in this fiscal year. What that title is, exactly, is unclear at the moment, but it is something separate from the current titles Squeenix already maintains. Wada believes that the company having two-to-three different online subscription-based titles will help maintain the company's cash flow.

That probably doesn't do much to quell the seething hate currently residing within anyone still playing Final Fantasy XIV. Wada did apparently go out of his way to mention the problems currently plaguing that title and to state that fixing it will take a little longer, but that a "target" is in sight. So that's reassuring. Probably. Okay, not really.

Also, no word yet on that PS3 version of Final Fantasy XIV, but I'm guessing there's not very many of you out there still keeping a candle burning for that one.

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#2 Posted by Mechwing (265 posts) -

One word. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

#3 Posted by Sayishere (1838 posts) -

Oh my, Square Enix stop it...STOP IT, stop.

#4 Posted by buft (3300 posts) -

whyyyyyy indeed 

#5 Posted by TripMasterMunky (2403 posts) -

People need to stop making MMOs.

#6 Posted by groin (833 posts) -

Alex writes the best headlines. I always know he wrote the article from the headline alone.

#7 Posted by BabyChooChoo (4252 posts) -

Because they did such a fine job with FFXIV

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#8 Posted by Norusdog (339 posts) -
@TripMasterMunky said:
People need to stop making bad MMOs.
fixed for ya.
#9 Edited by Sil3n7 (1176 posts) -

Great title and caption.

#10 Edited by Beforet (2911 posts) -

Third time's the charm, mother fuckers! WOOO
 
Edit: How...did I get the First! quest with that?

#11 Posted by Little_Socrates (5675 posts) -

XD This is gonna be what they announce at E3 instead of Kingdom Hearts III? I love you, Square. YOU SO SILLY!

#12 Posted by Maddoc (2 posts) -
@Mechwing said:
One word. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Probably because FFXI has basically been the only thing keeping them in business for years now
#13 Posted by Animasta (14643 posts) -
@Norusdog said:
@TripMasterMunky said:
People need to stop making bad MMOs.
fixed for ya.
do you mean 95% of them
#14 Posted by Brendan (7670 posts) -

MMO's that don't do that well must still make obscene amounts of money, because so many people seem to be quite willing to make more of them despite the overall lack of success in most cases.

#15 Posted by MikkaQ (10264 posts) -
@Norusdog said:
@TripMasterMunky said:
People need to stop making bad MMOs.
fixed for ya.  
Saying bad MMOs is a little redundant. 
 
Also squareenix is fucking crazy right now. I have no idea what they're trying for in the publishing world. Maybe just throwing everything at a wall to see what sticks. 
#16 Posted by xeroxkitty (13 posts) -

Squenix MMO's make baby Chocobos cry.

#17 Posted by Ventilaator (1501 posts) -

FFXV GOOOOOOOOOO

#18 Posted by buhssuht (437 posts) -

they r making a new one because they know 14 was so bad and it's too late to fix it.

#19 Edited by ShadowKnight508 (659 posts) -
@Mechwing said:

One word. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

Agreed...with the flop that was FFXIV, why would they bother doing another MMO? I want my Kingdom Hearts III, Square Enix....not more MMO's *shakes head*
#20 Posted by DAFTPUNK (1213 posts) -
@Maddoc: Your kidding me right,  that game has been out for years! they have released   so many games since then that have been successful and others not, ya they make money of finafantasy 11 but that is not their main cashflow.  Not as many people play that game now but there is still a very good community going on.
#21 Posted by Bestostero (2758 posts) -

Final Fantasy XI was good, but Final Fantasy XIV was DREADFUl!

#22 Posted by sixpin (1286 posts) -

I remember when Square mattered. I blame The Spirits Within for the downfall of one of my former favorite publishers.

#23 Posted by xyzygy (9871 posts) -

Maybe they should start making old-school turn based RPGs again. They seemed to be doing just fine when they were making those, and I'd be happy to buy them.

#24 Posted by drew327 (557 posts) -

Image caption hilarious, LOL

#25 Posted by Blair (2497 posts) -

They are so out of touch with the market.  It's sad.

#26 Posted by Elyhaym (184 posts) -

Just... stop, Square. Just stop. 
It ain't even funny anymore. You've become akin to a chicken with its head cut off, flailing spastically about in a feeble attempt to recapture your former glory and it is quite frankly beyond sad now.

#27 Posted by Tebbit (4447 posts) -

Please God don't sully another core Final Fantasy title for this. Ever since 11 it's been hit and miss, and now with XIV to bookend that weird batch, FFXV is gonna be a return to form!
 
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WORKS!

#28 Posted by lokilaufey (241 posts) -

It'll be interesting to see where they go with this. SE seems to be a lot about experimentation lately (much to the chagrin of their more closeminded fans, it seems) and seems FFXIV's trouble really didn't get them down about it. I honestly don't care if they want to make this as long as they keep putting out solid singleplayer experiences too. In my opinion, they have.
 
On the other hand, I could just mimic the most common response I've seen to this kind of news across the internet: "STUPID SQUARE ENIX HOW DARE YOU EXPERIMENT, HOW DARE YOU TRY NEW THINGS OR TRY AGAIN AFTER A FAILURE, YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO CATER TO ME A SINGULAR AMERICAN CUSTOMER YOU'VE NEVER MET! SDKJFHKSDFLDGLH!!"

#29 Posted by Kyle (2323 posts) -
@chickenpotpi said:
It'll be interesting to see where they go with this. SE seems to be a lot about experimentation lately (much to the chagrin of their more closeminded fans, it seems) and seems FFXIV's trouble really didn't get them down about it. I honestly don't care if they want to make this as long as they keep putting out solid singleplayer experiences too. In my opinion, they have. On the other hand, I could just mimic the most common response I've seen to this kind of news across the internet: "STUPID SQUARE ENIX HOW DARE YOU EXPERIMENT, HOW DARE YOU TRY NEW THINGS OR TRY AGAIN AFTER A FAILURE, YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO CATER TO ME A SINGULAR AMERICAN CUSTOMER YOU'VE NEVER MET! SDKJFHKSDFLDGLH!!"
So putting out an unfinished, functionally broken MMO and then firing their development staff is called experimenting these days? We live in strange times, indeed.
#30 Posted by walterbennet (152 posts) -

Square's gonna cut to the chase for this title, and call it WORLD OF WARCRAFT KILLER: THE MMORPG.

#31 Posted by Hippolord (25 posts) -
@groin said:
Alex writes the best headlines. I always know he wrote the article from the headline alone.
This
#32 Posted by thiz (3 posts) -

Square Enix is slowly turning into one of the worst companys. The only thing thats rescuing them is the (hopefuly) good remakes that Eidos are making with Thief 4, Deus Ex 3 and maybe Legacy of Kain 6.

#33 Posted by Summoboomo (142 posts) -
@chickenpotpi: Well, when a company puts out a game like Final Fantasy XIV, a game so bad they were too embarrassed to charge their monthly subscription fee, one can understand why people would be hesitant to jump on board the next MMO train. Square doesn't have any good faith stored up with most of their MMO fanbase. It's understandable to look at this announcement and then just laugh.
 
Because, you know, it turns out these guys don't really know how to make MMOs, and lost a lot of money on their last MMO, so clearly the answer is to make another MMO.
#34 Posted by admanb (225 posts) -

FFXIV is out?

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#35 Posted by Elyhaym (184 posts) -
@chickenpotpi said:
It'll be interesting to see where they go with this. SE seems to be a lot about experimentation lately (much to the chagrin of their more closeminded fans, it seems) and seems FFXIV's trouble really didn't get them down about it. I honestly don't care if they want to make this as long as they keep putting out solid singleplayer experiences too. In my opinion, they have. On the other hand, I could just mimic the most common response I've seen to this kind of news across the internet: "STUPID SQUARE ENIX HOW DARE YOU EXPERIMENT, HOW DARE YOU TRY NEW THINGS OR TRY AGAIN AFTER A FAILURE, YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO CATER TO ME A SINGULAR AMERICAN CUSTOMER YOU'VE NEVER MET! SDKJFHKSDFLDGLH!!"
Solid singleplayer experiences, you say? Haaaave you met Mindjack?
#36 Posted by Norusdog (339 posts) -
@XII_Sniper said:
@Norusdog said:
@TripMasterMunky said:
People need to stop making bad MMOs.
fixed for ya.  
Saying bad MMOs is a little too common now-a-days.  Also squareenix is fucking crazy right now. I have no idea what they're trying for in the publishing world. Maybe just throwing everything at a wall to see what sticks. 
fixed for you as well :-D
#37 Posted by Norusdog (339 posts) -
@Laketown said:
@Norusdog said:
@TripMasterMunky said:
People need to stop making bad MMOs.
fixed for ya.
do you mean 95% of them
more like 85-90% of em ya.  They try to copy each other too much (rift vs wow) or are just plain terrible (FFXIV)
#39 Posted by Meteora (5787 posts) -

Making multiple of half-ass MMOs is worse than having a decent or good MMO.

#40 Posted by RXSideEffect (31 posts) -

Lets be honest...when was the last year Square mattered? What happened to games like Einhander, Xenogears, and I guess you could call them "classic FF" games? This company has been developing in a vacuum for a decade now. Any goodwill they got for XI is and should be gone. I don't mean to rant but these guys really did make great games back in the day..I dunno best of luck to you Square but Im not gonna hold my breath on any project they have in mind 

#41 Posted by Viisven (7 posts) -

I know chasing Blizzard is pretty pointless now, but I don't see how running 3 average games concordantly is any better that spending time making 1 great game...development costs and time should be fairly equal. It's not like Square Enix are running a Torchlight operation where they legitimately need cash to continue with any other product, is it?!

#42 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7613 posts) -
@Viisven said:
I know chasing Blizzard is pretty pointless now, but I don't see how running 3 average games concordantly is any better that spending time making 1 great game...development costs and time should be fairly equal. It's not like Square Enix are running a Torchlight operation where they legitimately need cash to continue with any other product, is it?!
Yes, they are continuously losing money on projects like FFXIII, because of the massive development costs.   
MMO's are a quick and dirty method of making money, they cost little to run but people seem willing to keep paying the subscription fee's. 
 
Though I do have to give them credit for waiving the fee for XIV until they think it's good enough.
#43 Posted by Mcfart (1538 posts) -

About 11 months ago they said they were intending on fixing FF14 cause they knew how bad it was. Guess some guy was just like "fuck it, lets put this behind us and try again".

#44 Posted by Dookysharpgun (586 posts) -

Let's just let this franchise die for a while...please? Make proper RPGS square...just forget about this crap!

#45 Posted by Phoenix87 (471 posts) -

The definition of insanity is making the same mistake and expecting a different result. Hang it up Square Enix. Seriously.

#46 Posted by Mento (2419 posts) -

MMOs only make crazy money if you're willing to invest a lot of server- and manpower on making sure it runs smoothly and updates regularly. If Squeenix is just treating them as some kind of necessary evil to bankroll their other projects, it's no wonder FFXIV turned out the way it did.
 
Though to be fair, creating shoddy MMOs is a much better business strategy than creating shoddy CGI movies.

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#47 Posted by phish09 (1109 posts) -

Part of me feels that Squenix should just stop making games at all for the time being. Just take a step back and look at your place in the industry and maybe start fresh in a few years when you have some original ideas to bring to the table. I'm worried that they have done nothing but tarnish their reputation in the last 5 years or so, and if it keeps up they will lose the Western market entirely.

#48 Posted by vinsanityv22 (1064 posts) -

Jeez Alex; could you write that article with any more cynicism, please? ;)
 
Yes FFXIV is a bit of a disaster. But Square still ran FF11 successfully. They keep trying to do newer, more interesting, more charming MMOs too - like the short-lived Fantasy Earth Zero (short lived here in the US anyway; it's pretty successful in Japan and China). And also that Wakfu game with the great sprite art.
 
So lay off the cynicism man. If they're bringing on more interesting MMOs, and pushing them as hard as a Final Fantasy, than this can only be a good thing. There's a lot more people working on things there than just the FFXIV team.
 
...
 
Of course, all the Tetsuya Nomura led teams suck there too currently. *sigh*

#49 Posted by Creigz (180 posts) -

Square Enix needs to stick with what they know from now on. Unfortunately they have dollarsigns (or Yen signs?) in their eyes after seeing how much money Blizzard and other companies with paid subscriptions make. They don't want to downsize the company and unfortunately their only real big seller is Final Fantasy, and they can't pull an Activision on that series and release one every year.  
 
-If anyone at Square Enix comes across this...don't release a Final Fantasy every year..please.

#50 Edited by Sammann31415 (67 posts) -

I think this isn't what we think it is.  
 
Just because Sqenix is releasing a game doesn't mean it's their FF studio by any means - it could be from a small studio.  It could also be a low-budget, sprite-based thing along the lines of Dungeon Fighter - you know, something that could be run on any machine, browser-based, cheap to play, integrated with Facebook or iOS or both.   Maybe a Kingdom Hearts-based MMO brawler.
 
With the exception of Guild Wars 2, that's pretty much the only kind of MMO I'd be interested in at the moment, and I don't think the more MMO-focused gamers would trust Square with another big-budget thing.

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