In a heavy debate over why CCP EvE online has had much success over Cryptic studios Star Trek Online... the truth finally comes out.

CCP is competent. Cryptic is not. Case closed. Still waiting for them to announce a price cut. Or the servers shut down for STO. 

Cryptic is lazy as shit. CO and STO literally use the same infrastructure(UI, instancing, creation, etc), except STO uses different colors for the UI. Their games have next to no content. Example: I literally ran through about 20+ levels and saw the WHOLE world (except Vibora Bay because it just came out at the time) in ONE WEEKEND. And no, I didn't play all day. Their quests are almost all the same and the powers are all jacked up. Please don't get me started on all the things wrong with Telekinesis lol. Ok ok, I need to stop. But yes, I don't like bashing developers, but Cryptic doesn't seem to learn it's lesson at all and they don't seem to care.

I can't believe you're still reading those forums. Heck, even I'm a lifetime subscriber and it has been a couple of months since I visited those forums. So much negativity and bullshit going on there. The game is what it is, love it or hate, we're past that now. Those who like it continue to subscribe and play it, and those who don't stopped playing it and moved on.

" Those who like it continue to subscribe and play it, and those who don't stopped playing it and moved on. "

I've never played the game, but judging from the STO mini-ER, that game looked so dated.

" I've never played the game, but judging from the STO mini-ER, that game looked so dated. "

You take a fanchice with a large fan base. You remove everything the fan base loves(exploration, roaming the ship, interacting with crew, large open systems) and replace it with slap dash combat, and a truly horrific world that looks nothing more than a board game. The game was a failure before it even launched. Star Trek could have been an AMAZING MMO. I was thinking something like EVE but more casual friendly. Shame. Oh well, there's always Star Trek: Excalibur which looks amazing and if made by people who are huge star trek fans and understand what people want.

I played the beta for a few days and then quit. The main reason for quitting was that the game wasnt what I wanted, I wanted to be in Star Trek.
The problem is that graphics are 9/10ths of immersion. What I wanted was a Star Trek RPG with AAA production values, what I got was an MMO. MMOs are designed to appeal to older people who dont upgrade their system that often if ever. This is why WOW looks like ass(an ass with awesome art design, but still an ass)  and has  a pretty mature  player base. 

Great just when I was starting to get into Star Trek in general...

" Great just when I was starting to get into Star Trek in general... "

" @sodiumCyclops said:

" Great just when I was starting to get into Star Trek in general... "

You can only call this Star Trek because it uses name and some likeness.  "

your avatar got boosted laughing, or is he your groupie?

" your avatar got boosted laughing, or is he your groupie? "

This games problem besides it being a rush job was that it has fucking nothing to do with star trek. When has Star Trek been about Combat? There was little to none in ALL the shows that ever came out, in fact the few episodes that did focus on combat are consider the weakest by far.

" This games problem besides it being a rush job was that it has fucking nothing to do with star trek. When has Star Trek been about Combat? There was little to none in ALL the shows that ever came out, in fact the few episodes that did focus on combat are consider the weakest by far. "

" @Evilsbane said:

" This games problem besides it being a rush job was that it has fucking nothing to do with star trek. When has Star Trek been about Combat? There was little to none in ALL the shows that ever came out, in fact the few episodes that did focus on combat are consider the weakest by far. "

Leonard Nemoys voice is in it. That most likely keeps 90% of the people in it.  "

" @The_Laughing_Man said:

" @Evilsbane said:

" This games problem besides it being a rush job was that it has fucking nothing to do with star trek. When has Star Trek been about Combat? There was little to none in ALL the shows that ever came out, in fact the few episodes that did focus on combat are consider the weakest by far. "

Leonard Nemoys voice is in it. That most likely keeps 90% of the people in it.  "

Coolest part of the game by far, but that was about it. "

I liked what I played of it, other stuff just came up.
 
Eve is a totally different game and about a thousand times more ambitious than STO was.  There probably are benefits to developing in Iceland at the moment (like most of their income being in foreign currency, when their own currency has gone totally to shit - the CCP guys are probably the richest people in Iceland nowadays), but I don't think "it's harder to lay people off" is genereally considered a benefit for business, assuming that's even true.

"STO has very few subscribers. It's 90% life timers. I really don't read these forums anymore... but once a week I check out the STO forums for a good laugh. When I saw this dev comment I just had to share it's sheer stupidity, a clear example of who's behind the game and who Cryptic has on their staff. The thing is, kicking a dog while it's down is  necessary every once in a while because if they do manage to get back up, people might praise them for doing a good job when they haven't. That has been a leading cause of how publishers like Atari and studios like Cryptic get away with so much bullshit. As consumers we cannot support such half-assed snake oil selling bullshitters. They do not deserve jobs if they cannot release credible material. It's up to the next generations to learn from their mistakes, not emulate them because after a year of shit they pulled it off and got a pat on the back for it. "

As consumers we cannot support such half-assed snake oil selling bullshitters. 

Yeah, til they start putting their games on the fuckin' Xbox, I don't plan on buying anymore MMOs.
I'm figuring Star Wars is just gonna suck as well.  No more MMOs for me.

Whatever is going on, I default and agree with Axxxel in all STO related discussions. With love, Admiral Jim.

Could I have a link to the STO mini-ER please?

@Lemoncookie01 its not actually an ER its a 10part-ish Quick Look during the beta

" Could I have a link to the STO mini-ER please? "