O.O OMG Knights of the Old Republic II is on Steam now!

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#1 Posted by Turkalurch (198 posts) -
#2 Posted by kermoosh (911 posts) -

now i just have to wait for the port to mac....

#3 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

does it support the restoration mod? if it does ill get it

#4 Posted by thebeastwithtwobacks (140 posts) -

ive been wondering whether that would ever happen

#5 Posted by insane_shadowblade85 (1389 posts) -

I still need to beat the first game ._.

#6 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11477 posts) -

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

#7 Posted by The_Nubster (2047 posts) -

@ArbitraryWater said:

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

It wasn't one of the greatest disappointments. Even with all of the missing content and bugs, the story still went above and beyond anything that Star Wars had ever done, or will do in the future. The way it muddled the line between the Light and Dark sides and explored what the Force, or the wielding of, did to the psyche was incredible.

#8 Posted by me3639 (1727 posts) -

@connerthekewlkid said:

does it support the restoration mod? if it does ill get it

I wouldn't know why not. Steam has always been supportive of the MOD community.

#9 Posted by Butano (1728 posts) -

Just got home and opened up Steam....

*swoon*

Took em long enough to get it on there!

#10 Posted by Animasta (14648 posts) -

@The_Nubster said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

It wasn't one of the greatest disappointments. Even with all of the missing content and bugs, the story still went above and beyond anything that Star Wars had ever done, or will do in the future. The way it muddled the line between the Light and Dark sides and explored what the Force, or the wielding of, did to the psyche was incredible.

say it loud brotha

#11 Posted by fox01313 (5061 posts) -

Sweet, also when I was gamestop they had a collection for $20 of both Kotor games. Think I'll still go with the steam version & read recently on Rock, Paper, Shotgun about the mod making some important updates to this game (article link). Good time to go back into this game soon between now & the end of the year if there's any free time between the new games coming out.

#12 Posted by EerieTraveler (36 posts) -

So flawed but still so good.

#13 Posted by Turambar (6675 posts) -
@Animasta said:

@The_Nubster said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

It wasn't one of the greatest disappointments. Even with all of the missing content and bugs, the story still went above and beyond anything that Star Wars had ever done, or will do in the future. The way it muddled the line between the Light and Dark sides and explored what the Force, or the wielding of, did to the psyche was incredible.

say it loud brotha

Nah, I'd say I was pretty damn disappointed.  Probably not the greatest disappointment, but its up there.
#14 Posted by BeachThunder (11699 posts) -

Well, that's good I guess, but I ended up just playing a physical copy of it earlier this year, since I gave up on any likelihood of this actually happening =|

#15 Posted by AndrewB (7492 posts) -

Well hey! I said I'd buy it when it became available in a reasonable way!

#16 Posted by Animasta (14648 posts) -

@Turambar said:

@Animasta said:

@The_Nubster said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

It wasn't one of the greatest disappointments. Even with all of the missing content and bugs, the story still went above and beyond anything that Star Wars had ever done, or will do in the future. The way it muddled the line between the Light and Dark sides and explored what the Force, or the wielding of, did to the psyche was incredible.

say it loud brotha

Nah, I'd say I was pretty damn disappointed. Probably not the greatest disappointment, but its up there.

What was disappointing about it though? I felt the lack of content was a bummer, but it was largely added back in with the restoration mod.

of course I really didn't like KOTOR1 so maybe I just didn't have any expectations for it

#17 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11477 posts) -

@The_Nubster said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

It wasn't one of the greatest disappointments. Even with all of the missing content and bugs, the story still went above and beyond anything that Star Wars had ever done, or will do in the future. The way it muddled the line between the Light and Dark sides and explored what the Force, or the wielding of, did to the psyche was incredible.

Exactly. It barely resembles the source material at some points, spits on basically everything that happened in the first game, and has one of the single worst conclusions to a video game. Ever. I'm not saying that I don't appreciate the deconstruction angle and whatnot, but it doesn't make up for the part where I find the main story to be terrible, cut content notwithstanding.

#18 Posted by Animasta (14648 posts) -

@ArbitraryWater said:

@The_Nubster said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

It wasn't one of the greatest disappointments. Even with all of the missing content and bugs, the story still went above and beyond anything that Star Wars had ever done, or will do in the future. The way it muddled the line between the Light and Dark sides and explored what the Force, or the wielding of, did to the psyche was incredible.

Exactly. It barely resembles the source material at some points, spits on basically everything that happened in the first game, and has one of the single worst conclusions to a video game. Ever. I'm not saying that I don't appreciate the deconstruction angle and whatnot, but it doesn't make up for the part where I find the main story to be terrible, cut content notwithstanding.

how does it spit on everything that happened in the first game? beyond HK-47 making fun of Carth, because I can barely remember KOTOR 1 (I remember the first planet and I think you go to that clone planet at some point)

#19 Posted by Animasta (14648 posts) -

also I'm not saying the ending wasn't poor, but calling it one of the worst conclusions ever in a video game is about as hyperbolic as you can get

#20 Posted by The_Nubster (2047 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

@The_Nubster said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

It wasn't one of the greatest disappointments. Even with all of the missing content and bugs, the story still went above and beyond anything that Star Wars had ever done, or will do in the future. The way it muddled the line between the Light and Dark sides and explored what the Force, or the wielding of, did to the psyche was incredible.

Exactly. It barely resembles the source material at some points, spits on basically everything that happened in the first game, and has one of the single worst conclusions to a video game. Ever. I'm not saying that I don't appreciate the deconstruction angle and whatnot, but it doesn't make up for the part where I find the main story to be terrible, cut content notwithstanding.

how does it spit on everything that happened in the first game? beyond HK-47 making fun of Carth, because I can barely remember KOTOR 1 (I remember the first planet and I think you go to that clone planet at some point)

It doesn't. People went in wanting a clean-cut Star Wars game about the super-awesome Jedi and the icky, nasty Sith, instead got a down-and-dirty, brilliantly told deconstruction that examined what those two factions were truly about, and were further pissed by lack of content. HK-47 making fun of Carth wasn't even a big deal, especially since HK-47 hated everyone but the player character in KotOR 1.

BioWare does one thing well, and it isn't writing, I'll say that much. Obsidian is, hands-down, the single best developer out there when it comes to telling emotional, compelling stories that tear down preconceptions. Their games aren't the most reliable things, but they tell stories that fully embrace the possibilities that being a video game offers, and they're like no other. The amount of actual choice and variation they build in to their games is mind-blowing, especially considering that their stories never deal in black-and-white interactions like other games.

#21 Posted by doosmacleod (186 posts) -

@Animasta said:

also I'm not saying the ending wasn't poor, but calling it one of the worst conclusions ever in a video game is about as hyperbolic as you can get

The ending we were presented was a series of bandaids and level 1 robits and floating lightsabers.

The ending that was pretty much just commented out, in the coding was pretty neat. Like, how it, y'know, gave closure to a lot of the characters, instead of Kreia going "AN HE OK. AN SHE OK TOO. YA SHE OK. AN OTHA SHE B OK TOO Y'ALL. Also fight."

#22 Posted by Animasta (14648 posts) -

@doosmacleod said:

@Animasta said:

also I'm not saying the ending wasn't poor, but calling it one of the worst conclusions ever in a video game is about as hyperbolic as you can get

The ending we were presented was a series of bandaids and level 1 robits and floating lightsabers.

The ending that was pretty much just commented out, in the coding was pretty neat. Like, how it, y'know, gave closure to a lot of the characters, instead of Kreia going "AN HE OK. AN SHE OK TOO. YA SHE OK. AN OTHA SHE B OK TOO Y'ALL. Also fight."

what do you count as the ending? I count the whole last bit with the sith temple on malachor IV or whatever, that fight with sion's pretty dope and what not.

like I'm not saying it's not bad but one of the worst of all time? give me a break

#23 Posted by cruxking (204 posts) -

bought it

#24 Posted by doosmacleod (186 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@doosmacleod said:

@Animasta said:

also I'm not saying the ending wasn't poor, but calling it one of the worst conclusions ever in a video game is about as hyperbolic as you can get

The ending we were presented was a series of bandaids and level 1 robits and floating lightsabers.

The ending that was pretty much just commented out, in the coding was pretty neat. Like, how it, y'know, gave closure to a lot of the characters, instead of Kreia going "AN HE OK. AN SHE OK TOO. YA SHE OK. AN OTHA SHE B OK TOO Y'ALL. Also fight."

what do you count as the ending? I count the whole last bit with the sith temple on malachor IV or whatever, that fight with sion's pretty dope and what not.

like I'm not saying it's not bad but one of the worst of all time? give me a break

I agree, it's not the worst ever. And yeah I'm counting all of Malachor. It's really goddamn awful. But given what it could have been, and what in the code, and recorded by the VAs... what it could have been would have been quite impressive.

#25 Posted by Dagbiker (6939 posts) -

@kermoosh said:

now i just have to wait for the port to mac....

... that is never coming.

#26 Posted by Terramagi (1159 posts) -

Gonna wait until the Restoration Mod is patched to work with it.

I forget, does the Restoration Mod let you choose between Handmaiden and that other jackass, regardless of gender?

#27 Edited by Animasta (14648 posts) -

@doosmacleod said:

@Animasta said:

@doosmacleod said:

@Animasta said:

also I'm not saying the ending wasn't poor, but calling it one of the worst conclusions ever in a video game is about as hyperbolic as you can get

The ending we were presented was a series of bandaids and level 1 robits and floating lightsabers.

The ending that was pretty much just commented out, in the coding was pretty neat. Like, how it, y'know, gave closure to a lot of the characters, instead of Kreia going "AN HE OK. AN SHE OK TOO. YA SHE OK. AN OTHA SHE B OK TOO Y'ALL. Also fight."

what do you count as the ending? I count the whole last bit with the sith temple on malachor IV or whatever, that fight with sion's pretty dope and what not.

like I'm not saying it's not bad but one of the worst of all time? give me a break

I agree, it's not the worst ever. And yeah I'm counting all of Malachor. It's really goddamn awful. But given what it could have been, and what in the code, and recorded by the VAs... what it could have been would have been quite impressive.

disappointing? of course the ending was disappointing. They had 8 months to work on it. Compare KOTOR 2 to new vegas, where new vegas had a year and a half (I think) and they had the opportunity for DLC.

@Terramagi: apparently the canon in star warsiverse is that was a female exile but the handmaiden also went (also that dude was the disciple and yeah he kinda sucked)

#28 Posted by AndrewB (7492 posts) -

@Dagbiker said:

@kermoosh said:

now i just have to wait for the port to mac....

... that is never coming.

If they couldn't finish the original version, I'd assume this is true. Wine is free, and this game is old. Might I suggest Wineskin or Winebottler?

#29 Edited by doosmacleod (186 posts) -

@Animasta:

Oh yeah I agree, New Vegas is great. Been playing through again lately.

#30 Posted by Terramagi (1159 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@doosmacleod said:

@Animasta said:

@doosmacleod said:

@Animasta said:

also I'm not saying the ending wasn't poor, but calling it one of the worst conclusions ever in a video game is about as hyperbolic as you can get

The ending we were presented was a series of bandaids and level 1 robits and floating lightsabers.

The ending that was pretty much just commented out, in the coding was pretty neat. Like, how it, y'know, gave closure to a lot of the characters, instead of Kreia going "AN HE OK. AN SHE OK TOO. YA SHE OK. AN OTHA SHE B OK TOO Y'ALL. Also fight."

what do you count as the ending? I count the whole last bit with the sith temple on malachor IV or whatever, that fight with sion's pretty dope and what not.

like I'm not saying it's not bad but one of the worst of all time? give me a break

I agree, it's not the worst ever. And yeah I'm counting all of Malachor. It's really goddamn awful. But given what it could have been, and what in the code, and recorded by the VAs... what it could have been would have been quite impressive.

disappointing? of course the ending was disappointing. They had 8 months to work on it. Compare KOTOR 2 to new vegas, where new vegas had a year and a half (I think) and they had the opportunity for DLC.

@Terramagi: apparently the canon in star warsiverse is that was a female exile but the handmaiden also went (also that dude was the disciple and yeah he kinda sucked)

Hence why I'm asking.

Disciple was a bad character.

#31 Posted by Trilogy (2645 posts) -

What took so long? License holder issues?

#32 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11477 posts) -

@Animasta said:

also I'm not saying the ending wasn't poor, but calling it one of the worst conclusions ever in a video game is about as hyperbolic as you can get

I dunno. I'd say it's up there with Halo 2 and Mass Effect 3 on the "This kinda makes me hate the rest of the game" scale. Those are what we think of when we think of bad endings, right? Don't forget: Force Vacuum.

@The_Nubster said:

@Animasta said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

@The_Nubster said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

It wasn't one of the greatest disappointments. Even with all of the missing content and bugs, the story still went above and beyond anything that Star Wars had ever done, or will do in the future. The way it muddled the line between the Light and Dark sides and explored what the Force, or the wielding of, did to the psyche was incredible.

Exactly. It barely resembles the source material at some points, spits on basically everything that happened in the first game, and has one of the single worst conclusions to a video game. Ever. I'm not saying that I don't appreciate the deconstruction angle and whatnot, but it doesn't make up for the part where I find the main story to be terrible, cut content notwithstanding.

how does it spit on everything that happened in the first game? beyond HK-47 making fun of Carth, because I can barely remember KOTOR 1 (I remember the first planet and I think you go to that clone planet at some point)

It doesn't. People went in wanting a clean-cut Star Wars game about the super-awesome Jedi and the icky, nasty Sith, instead got a down-and-dirty, brilliantly told deconstruction that examined what those two factions were truly about, and were further pissed by lack of content. HK-47 making fun of Carth wasn't even a big deal, especially since HK-47 hated everyone but the player character in KotOR 1.

BioWare does one thing well, and it isn't writing, I'll say that much. Obsidian is, hands-down, the single best developer out there when it comes to telling emotional, compelling stories that tear down preconceptions. Their games aren't the most reliable things, but they tell stories that fully embrace the possibilities that being a video game offers, and they're like no other. The amount of actual choice and variation they build in to their games is mind-blowing, especially considering that their stories never deal in black-and-white interactions like other games.

It kinda does, by making everything that happened in the first game entirely irrelevant and then barely calling back to any of it. Why is it even a sequel? Hell, why did it need to have the Star Wars license at all? Why did the titular Sith Lords barely show up? Does throwing a bunch of moral ambiguity make up for the fact that your character is still making binary moral choices all while a nihilistic old woman cryptically cryptics your cryptic? But whatever. You clearly think this game is a masterpiece, and I don't hate it enough to care to argue any further. My point has been made.

#33 Posted by Nottle (1912 posts) -

@AndrewB said:

@Dagbiker said:

@kermoosh said:

now i just have to wait for the port to mac....

... that is never coming.

If they couldn't finish the original version, I'd assume this is true. Wine is free, and this game is old. Might I suggest Wineskin or Winebottler?

Kotor 1 was on mac on steam. From my experience trying to run Deus Ex in steam with Winebottler, it was super janky, i couldn't get it to go full screen. but then again, i don't like messing with computers.

Also if i find KOTOR 1 super boring, i probably wouldn't like this much either?

#34 Edited by AndrewB (7492 posts) -

@ArbitraryWater: From this interview:

The first story draft was pretty terrible, mostly because we weren’t allowed to play K1 before drafting it, so we really knew nothing about the first game and were writing in the dark (Revan who?).
It was a frustrating situation that we wasted 2-3 months on that (there was nothing to be done about it), and then had to do another revision once we were able to play the first game. If you feel a disconnect in the storylines, that would be one of the reasons (again, my fault).

Explains a little; though it excuses nothing.

@Nottle said:

Kotor 1 was on mac on steam. From my experience trying to run Deus Ex in steam with Winebottler, it was super janky, i couldn't get it to go full screen. but then again, i don't like messing with computers.

Also if i find KOTOR 1 super boring, i probably wouldn't like this much either?

But KOTOR was handled by Bioware directly. I'd have to assume that there's even more of a cross-licensing shitstorm surrounding KOTOR II that would prevent anyone working on that game to create a Mac port, let alone fix the original game they put out. That we're only now seeing a digital release is telling enough. Also, a lot of Mac ports are just emulated Windows clients in a similar way to what Wine does. I guess I'd never say never, though, because the engine work is done.

Can't answer the second half of that, as I haven't played KOTOR II, but I think it's safe to say you wouldn't like it because the gameplay is largely unchanged.

#35 Posted by LiquidPrince (15843 posts) -

Is KOTOR a single player game? My local Walmart has both in a package that resembles SWTOR for $19.99, on PC.

#36 Posted by Calitar (87 posts) -

These arguments have sold me on the game. I gotta find out for myself! I get the feeling that I'll like it, given that I like Obsidian's style of storytelling.

#37 Posted by rubberluffy (439 posts) -

I actually like KOTOR2 more than 1 solely on a mechanical level. I just think 2 is funner to play and easier to make completely overpowered customized lightsabers and guns. Making HK-47 into a dual pistol machine of death against any Jedi/Sith is hilarious.

#38 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11477 posts) -

@AndrewB: That... explains a lot. Let me be clear. I think that Obsidian is full of a bunch of talented writers, and in general I think that the writing in KotOR 2 is better than the first. I just think that it fails as a sequel and the main story sucks.

#39 Posted by Red (5994 posts) -

Just bought it. Yes, the ending sucks, but it has some fantastic story elements, characters, and choices. The gameplay and customization is ten times better than the original KotOR, even if it is glitchier. Not sure when I'll get around to playing it, but I'm looking forward to going through it again sometime soon.

#40 Posted by project343 (2812 posts) -

@ArbitraryWater said:

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

KOTOR is within my top 3 favourite games of all time. KOTOR2 was not that big of a disappointment. It was a little buggier, had a shit ending, but had a ton of really interesting moments and story beats that make the adventure more memorable than the original (which is only really remembered for it's brilliant twist).

#41 Edited by Yummylee (21255 posts) -

I really like KOTOR 2, but there's also a bit of a bias within my appreciation because it's the very first game I ever played that allowed such choice and ambiguity. I loved the characters (Atton basically being Han Solo with an even darker edge was a favourite, and of course HK47), the really dark and downright depressing story, and playing evil was so fun in that game! As was bringing your entire crew down with you so you've gotta whole squad of grey-skinned Sith fighters.

It requires some serious disbelief to play along with the notion that nearly everyone on your team who isn't already a Jedi/Sith could become one, but eh, as I said I find it hard to hold any kind of disdain towards the game because of how mind blown I was. I completed KOTOR 2 like... I dunno, 15+ times? Ending is still a bunch of faeces, though.

I also really enjoyed the first KOTOR (especially the dark side path when you choose to massacre like half of your own team), but it doesn't have the same amount of reverence for me. I may also have hated KOTOR 2 had I played the original first. Haven't played either of 'em in a very long time, though. God, and I remember that I even played both of them on the PC! Though this was also a few years after their initial release. KOTOR, Unreal Tournament, Warcraft, Starcraft, Silver, Soldier of Fortune, WoW... I miss my PC gaming days.

#42 Posted by jakob187 (21642 posts) -

@The_Nubster said:

@Animasta said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

@The_Nubster said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

It wasn't one of the greatest disappointments. Even with all of the missing content and bugs, the story still went above and beyond anything that Star Wars had ever done, or will do in the future. The way it muddled the line between the Light and Dark sides and explored what the Force, or the wielding of, did to the psyche was incredible.

Exactly. It barely resembles the source material at some points, spits on basically everything that happened in the first game, and has one of the single worst conclusions to a video game. Ever. I'm not saying that I don't appreciate the deconstruction angle and whatnot, but it doesn't make up for the part where I find the main story to be terrible, cut content notwithstanding.

how does it spit on everything that happened in the first game? beyond HK-47 making fun of Carth, because I can barely remember KOTOR 1 (I remember the first planet and I think you go to that clone planet at some point)

It doesn't. People went in wanting a clean-cut Star Wars game about the super-awesome Jedi and the icky, nasty Sith, instead got a down-and-dirty, brilliantly told deconstruction that examined what those two factions were truly about, and were further pissed by lack of content. HK-47 making fun of Carth wasn't even a big deal, especially since HK-47 hated everyone but the player character in KotOR 1.

BioWare does one thing well, and it isn't writing, I'll say that much. Obsidian is, hands-down, the single best developer out there when it comes to telling emotional, compelling stories that tear down preconceptions. Their games aren't the most reliable things, but they tell stories that fully embrace the possibilities that being a video game offers, and they're like no other. The amount of actual choice and variation they build in to their games is mind-blowing, especially considering that their stories never deal in black-and-white interactions like other games.

Personally, I was fine with the story. It's the part where I had to play the game that sucked. Buggy as fuck and generally not much fun to deal with.

#43 Posted by CornBREDX (4806 posts) -

Cool. I already have it on disk though.

#44 Posted by falling_fast (2186 posts) -

well, now that the restoration is finally complete, now is definitely the time to play this game if you haven't yet. it's really fucking good (with the restoration mod installed)

#45 Posted by Marz (5642 posts) -

has it been confirmed that the Restoration mod works with this steam version of the game?

#46 Posted by Turambar (6675 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@Turambar said:

@Animasta said:

@The_Nubster said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

It wasn't one of the greatest disappointments. Even with all of the missing content and bugs, the story still went above and beyond anything that Star Wars had ever done, or will do in the future. The way it muddled the line between the Light and Dark sides and explored what the Force, or the wielding of, did to the psyche was incredible.

say it loud brotha

Nah, I'd say I was pretty damn disappointed. Probably not the greatest disappointment, but its up there.

What was disappointing about it though? I felt the lack of content was a bummer, but it was largely added back in with the restoration mod.

of course I really didn't like KOTOR1 so maybe I just didn't have any expectations for it

Because the restoration mod wasn't the work of Obsidian, and as such, should not be credited to them, nor the game they pushed out.

#47 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

I liked Kotor 2, as much as the first one. Guess that makes me a bad person.

#48 Posted by A_Cute_Squirtle (679 posts) -

@The_Nubster said:

@ArbitraryWater said:

Now you too can witness one of the greatest disappointments of the last decade!

It wasn't one of the greatest disappointments. Even with all of the missing content and bugs, the story still went above and beyond anything that Star Wars had ever done, or will do in the future. The way it muddled the line between the Light and Dark sides and explored what the Force, or the wielding of, did to the psyche was incredible.

I support this sentiment 100%.

#49 Posted by Aelric (401 posts) -

Good timing. This just happened: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/07/27/grey-skies-are-gonna-kreia-up-kotor-2-completed/

I loved the deconstructionist take on the setting. Dunno for the restored content, but I can only imagine it'll only improve.

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