Dear EA, how to save SW:TOR

#1 Posted by Bourbon_Warrior (4523 posts) -

Put it on the PS3 and Xbox, their is no MMO (since FFXI) on the 360 people would play it, cut a deal with 360 with a special with gold and tor sub combined. Otherwise you will never make money back with free to play

#2 Posted by Sitoxity (551 posts) -

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

Put it on the PS3 and Xbox, their is no MMO (since FFXI) on the 360 people would play it, cut a deal with 360 with a special with gold and tor sub combined. Otherwise you will never make money back with free to play

Best be trollin'.

Also, they never said they were going Free-To-Play, and they don't seem to plan on doing it. MMO's don't go on consoles often because it doesn't tend to work. FFXI was hardly successful, just having it on more platforms wouldn't mean more sales, it'd mean a more widespread userbase. It would also take a lot of development time of NEW features away to making the ports. You really want them to take 1 to 2 years out of getting new features, bug fixes and the like for a console version? That's not a smart idea.

They need to sort out the population, that's all. Right now, it's spread across a vast amount of servers. Merges would work, but character transfers will too. Once people get back to populated servers it'll go a lot more smoothly.

#3 Edited by Wuddel (2079 posts) -

SW:TOR is really good. It is hitting all the right notes. Its expanding in the right direction. Adding more content. Their are listening to the community. I played a lot of it (4 lvl 50 characters and quite a bit of raiding of PvP)

The thing is they did not reinvent the MMORPG. Which is what is needed currently. The community wants that, even though they say the opposite. It's like holiday 2006 and people asking for keyboards on their smartphones, but they really want an iPhone.

#4 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

yeah im going back once they put in character transfers

#5 Posted by Jimbo (9772 posts) -

 
It's the kindest thing for it.
#6 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

@Jimbo: please continue to bring up compelling arguments like you do they make you look so mature and grown up

#7 Posted by Jayzilla (2555 posts) -

I love it. I don't PvP and my friends and I have a guild on a low traffic server so it always runs smoothly and we play it like we play Borderlands. It's like a multi-player KOTOR now! When GW2 comes out we will leave to play that.

#8 Posted by Wuddel (2079 posts) -

@Jayzilla: I got to say, that I have a similar situation. We have a small guild of 6 people - 3 people being friends for years. We play on the biggest german server (well within the top 10 of the most populated servers worldwide), with a very big and active community. It's a blast. I couldn't care less if the SWTOR world around us is crumbling.

#9 Posted by Jimbo (9772 posts) -
@connerthekewlkid said:

@Jimbo: please continue to bring up compelling arguments like you do they make you look so mature and grown up

cool looking mature and grown up in the eyes of somebody who types like they were dropped on their head as a baby was exactly what i was going for with that post
#10 Edited by EXTomar (4496 posts) -

The flaw in SWTOR is systemic: They put way to much emphasis in the storyline presentation stuff locking the player into neat but slowly progressing quest chains. That muddles the real core of MMO design which is earning and beating team based goals. Until they address that, it doesn't matter how cheap or what platforms it is on people won't play it for that long.

Edit: And the OP is crazy if they think they can't make back the money on a Free To Play model. Just selling "Boba-Fetta Armor" would probably float them for years.

#11 Posted by Grimluck343 (1148 posts) -

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

Put it on the PS3 and Xbox, their is no MMO (since FFXI) on the 360 people would play it, cut a deal with 360 with a special with gold and tor sub combined. Otherwise you will never make money back with free to play

SWTOR = Saved.

#12 Posted by StingingVelvet (569 posts) -

They would make a ton of money from F2P, will probably at least break even through subs and this game would not work on a controller. I know you probably want a console game sequel to KOTOR, but it isn't gonna happen and this isn't that game anyway.

#13 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

@StingingVelvet: just like other MMO ive noticed it has a sized dedicated fanbase.

#14 Posted by Giantstalker (1532 posts) -
  • Make it free to play as soon as possible
  • Add some kind of procedurally generated PVE dungeons or something
  • Beef up competitive PvP substantially
  • Release content packs, cosmetic upgrades, and xp boosts for cash

Sounds boring but the fact is, the game needs more than just story to break out at all. I had a great three months but the last two of those were just doing operations with my guild.

#15 Posted by iAmJohn (6108 posts) -

@Sitoxity said:

Also, they never said they were going Free-To-Play, and they don't seem to plan on doing it.

You mean aside from making it free to play up to level 15?

Do not kid yourself. This is merely the first step.

#16 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

@Giantstalker: i agree with most of those but the XP boosts for cash

#17 Posted by Sitoxity (551 posts) -

@iAmJohn: @iAmJohn said:

@Sitoxity said:

Also, they never said they were going Free-To-Play, and they don't seem to plan on doing it.

You mean aside from making it free to play up to level 15?

Do not kid yourself. This is merely the first step.

You do realise World of Warcraft is free to play up to a certain level?

#18 Posted by iAmJohn (6108 posts) -

@Sitoxity said:

@iAmJohn: @iAmJohn said:

@Sitoxity said:

Also, they never said they were going Free-To-Play, and they don't seem to plan on doing it.

You mean aside from making it free to play up to level 15?

Do not kid yourself. This is merely the first step.

You do realise World of Warcraft is free to play up to a certain level?

I do (and they let you play more, since the f2p cap for WoW is 20), but I also realize that WoW has almost ten times the subscriber numbers of The Old Republic.

#19 Posted by Sitoxity (551 posts) -

@iAmJohn said:

@Sitoxity said:

@iAmJohn: @iAmJohn said:

@Sitoxity said:

Also, they never said they were going Free-To-Play, and they don't seem to plan on doing it.

You mean aside from making it free to play up to level 15?

Do not kid yourself. This is merely the first step.

You do realise World of Warcraft is free to play up to a certain level?

I do (and they let you play more, since the f2p cap for WoW is 20), but I also realize that WoW has almost ten times the subscriber numbers of The Old Republic.

Level 20 in World of Warcraft is around the same as level 15 in SWTOR. The first cap in WoW was 60, not 50. It's around the same amount of content either way. WoW has way more subscribers and has been out a lot longer.

There's no reason that having a trial game like this means they're going Free to Play. If it were, WoW would be already be Free to Play as they implemented this trial years ago.

#20 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

@Jimbo said:

It's the kindest thing for it.

That is the improper way to disconnect a power cord. Millions of people are probably already dead because of your post.

#21 Posted by Jimbo (9772 posts) -
@Ravenlight said:

@Jimbo said:

It's the kindest thing for it.

That is the improper way to disconnect a power cord. Millions of people are probably already dead because of your post.

On the bright side, they won't have to play SWTOR anymore.
#22 Posted by insane_shadowblade85 (1388 posts) -

I started up my Old Republic launcher and downloaded the updates that I missed. I'm getting that itch to go back which is what I'll do soon. I need to finish my stories for my Sage and Vanguard.

#23 Posted by RedRoach (1176 posts) -

I'd play it if they put it on the damn mac. 30% of WoW players use mac hardware, it's an easy port that will bering players in. Every once in awhile I google it and there are tons of people who want to play it on their mac. I want to play it but I don't care enough to go through setting up bootcamp.

#24 Posted by stinky (1543 posts) -

@Jimbo said:

It's the kindest thing for it.

this was done already.

only it was at employees desks.

#25 Posted by PenguinDust (12450 posts) -

BioWare is ‘Looking at Free-to-Play’ for Star Wars: The Old Republic according to Kotaku (Jun 15), so they're looking at changing the business model to "save" the game. On a side note, TERA, another subscription MMO now offers a 7 day free trial up to level 23. The subscription model is just so dead these days, so I'm not surprised at this inevitable outcome for either game.

#26 Edited by TentPole (1858 posts) -

I am curious. What happens to people who actually bought the game when it goes free to play? Is there any "ambassador program" type thing? I don't play MMOs so this question is purely academic.

#27 Posted by Wuddel (2079 posts) -

The server transfer stuff had a huge impact on my server (destination server). Its 300 people on the imperial fleet now, on a workday afternoon.

@TentPole said:

I am curious. What happens to people who actually bought the game when it goes free to play? Is there any "ambassador program" type thing? I don't play MMOs so this question is purely academic.

No one knows. Probably some cosmetic/vanity items/stats. Like you got the "Founder" title, when you had an active subscription during the first few months.

#28 Posted by jakob187 (21642 posts) -

@Sitoxity said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

Put it on the PS3 and Xbox, their is no MMO (since FFXI) on the 360 people would play it, cut a deal with 360 with a special with gold and tor sub combined. Otherwise you will never make money back with free to play

Best be trollin'.

Also, they never said they were going Free-To-Play, and they don't seem to plan on doing it.

They are already offering accounts free up to level 15. It's only a matter of time, and honestly, they'd be better off for doing it. Look at a game like Dungeons & Dragons Online. That game could've gone the way of the dinosaurs, but because of excellent support and worthwhile content, they are now putting out their first expansion pack. If anything, that game BECAME viable because it went F2P. If Rift and SWTOR would do the same thing, they would have a much stronger chance of pulling people back in while also offering a solid alternative to WoW...as both games have plenty of content and really are premium quality products. On a F2P level, they would be trouncing every other F2P that is out there...except maybe DDO. Then again, I have a soft spot for that game.

In all honesty, the biggest thing that SWTOR NEEDS to do isn't going to consoles - it's getting their game fixed, bugs stomped out, and the content that they have needs a bit more difficulty. I remember that the only thing tough about the raids in SWTOR was Hard and Nightmare Soa. The rest of it was kind of a breeze. Meanwhile, I never got to check out any of Explosive Conflict, but I heard it was challenging...solely because of the massive healer nerfs that happened in 1.2. THAT is what caused people to quit the game - they released a patch that broke two healing classes, thereby making it nigh impossible to actually put together a group and do anything. By the time they had fixed it, the effort was too little too late.

#29 Posted by White_Silhouette (470 posts) -

@TentPole said:

I am curious. What happens to people who actually bought the game when it goes free to play? Is there any "ambassador program" type thing? I don't play MMOs so this question is purely academic.

Hard to say. I believe Star Trek online has both a f2p and a subscription model. Where each month you are subscriber it gets you certain perks like a quantity of material or some other thing. If I remember correctly.

Hard to say if/what SWTOR will do with past subscribers. Personally I could see them doing a split model with the f2p and sub model. Where the legacy bar/xp level is only available to those who are on a paid sub. Those who are playing f2p can still purchase the legacy "bonuses" with real money but can't unlock them by playing the for X period of time.

#30 Edited by connerthekewlkid (1803 posts) -

@White_Silhouette: I BETTER GET SOME $200 FIREWORKS

#31 Posted by ExplodeMode (852 posts) -

I always wonder why they never aim these WoW clones for a console. I figured the reason they always fail to reach their high expectations is because WoW already exists and people are playing/have played that already. But if someone only plays games on a console, WoW doesn't factor. It seems like a wide open segment.

#32 Posted by Grimluck343 (1148 posts) -

@White_Silhouette said:

@TentPole said:

I am curious. What happens to people who actually bought the game when it goes free to play? Is there any "ambassador program" type thing? I don't play MMOs so this question is purely academic.

Hard to say. I believe Star Trek online has both a f2p and a subscription model. Where each month you are subscriber it gets you certain perks like a quantity of material or some other thing. If I remember correctly.

Actually I believe STO was pay to play at the beginning. Jeff mentioned on a Bombcast that he had bought the lifetime membership and once they switched to free to play he became a lifetime "premium member" with added perks for having spent the $100+ dollars at launch.

#33 Posted by Fire_Marshall_Bill (126 posts) -

Better idea. Go back to knights of the old republic.

Bioware, the fans are calling, Bring back Knights

#34 Posted by Hailinel (23885 posts) -

People aren't going to flock to SWTOR just because it happens to be on the PS3 or 360. The game was doomed from the start when the development team chose to stick with the WoW model and not build an experience unique in its own right beyond "Hey guys, voice acting!"

#35 Posted by Karkarov (2981 posts) -

The game is hardly doomed and as far as anyone knows it still has at least 1 mil subs. What they need to do is continue with the server transfers, and if needed merge some servers. Once most of the active servers are high pop things will improve dramatically. Also they do need to toughen up the end game, the operations are just too easy and give too much loot too quickly.

#36 Posted by Hailinel (23885 posts) -

@Grimluck343 said:

@White_Silhouette said:

@TentPole said:

I am curious. What happens to people who actually bought the game when it goes free to play? Is there any "ambassador program" type thing? I don't play MMOs so this question is purely academic.

Hard to say. I believe Star Trek online has both a f2p and a subscription model. Where each month you are subscriber it gets you certain perks like a quantity of material or some other thing. If I remember correctly.

Actually I believe STO was pay to play at the beginning. Jeff mentioned on a Bombcast that he had bought the lifetime membership and once they switched to free to play he became a lifetime "premium member" with added perks for having spent the $100+ dollars at launch.

This is correct. Star Trek Online had no free-to-play option in the beginning. That was only added later.

#37 Posted by Grimluck343 (1148 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

@Grimluck343 said:

@White_Silhouette said:

@TentPole said:

I am curious. What happens to people who actually bought the game when it goes free to play? Is there any "ambassador program" type thing? I don't play MMOs so this question is purely academic.

Hard to say. I believe Star Trek online has both a f2p and a subscription model. Where each month you are subscriber it gets you certain perks like a quantity of material or some other thing. If I remember correctly.

Actually I believe STO was pay to play at the beginning. Jeff mentioned on a Bombcast that he had bought the lifetime membership and once they switched to free to play he became a lifetime "premium member" with added perks for having spent the $100+ dollars at launch.

This is correct. Star Trek Online had no free-to-play option in the beginning. That was only added later.

What are the odds of you quoting me twice in two different threads. Unless you're stalking me.

#38 Posted by coakroach (2488 posts) -

It's an MMORPG that is ashamed of being MMO and not technically deep enough to be a modern RPG.

Unplug it.

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