so i made it to gold league. was doing good as protoss. 50% win. 
then i took a break for a while and now ive lost 8 in a row.
so i havent touched it in 2 weeks. i feel like losing over and over just isnt fun.
i know this is a horrible idea to some but games where theres no penalty for losing. just no gain for it either keep me going longer.
if i didnt lose points for losing. but only gained points for winning the brackets would still be about the same probably.
but at least after playing an hour straight in a long game then losing, i wouldnt also then see the fact that i just lost points and dropped rank.
give me 0 points for a loss not negative.
anyone else at all feel like this?

If the ladder didn't mean anything as far as the competitive scene goes, I wouldn't care either way.  But considering Blizzard uses the ladder rankings to decide who to invite to their own tournaments, having a system that skews even more heavily towards whoever just has the most time to ladder is pretty silly.  Also the system you're suggesting would make getting into Grand Masters league even more impossible than it already is.

I feel like if you're constantly losing, you should go down a rank so you're playing people more your level. You can't be in the top tier and also kind of suck at the game, dude. The tier system was made for people like you so you wouldn't constantly be stuck playing against people who are waaaay better than you.

 No points for losing means the player that plays the most is the highest rated, not the player that has more skill.
They already took away win/loss ratio for an ego boost, don't make them take away the only other way of comparing 2 ladder players.

This is the reason I will never play StarCraft II ever.
 
$50 well spent.

Its not like you can't infer details. I have the same amount of points as people with twice the amount of wins as me. I don't need to see losses to know I have a better w/l ratio than them.

Its not like you can't infer details. I have the same amount of points as people with twice the amount of wins as me. I don't need to see losses to know I have a better w/l ratio than them.

If you care about losing then Starcraft isn't the game for you.

If you care about losing then Starcraft isn't the game for you.

you used to lose those points from the 8 wins in like 2 games lost. you learn not to care about points.
 
or if you care that much, take a break, play some customs, and come back when you have a bonus pool built up.  or just always only play when you have a bonus pool.
 
you're not actually getting better, but you're getting more points per win that way, so you can feel like it or whatever your deal is.
 
that's my issue with it, winning doesn't = improving.

This is the reason I will never play StarCraft II ever.  $50 well spent.

@CaLe said:

If you care about losing then Starcraft isn't the game for you.

i dont care about losing.  i pretty much only play competitive games. i train jiu jitsu and fight in competitions all the time. what i care about is the penalty you get for losing. that penalty totally stops people from trying interesting or new things online. why should i try that new build when the trusty 4 gate wont make me lose points.  i say more reward for beating better players. no penalty for losing. just no gain either. more people would be willing to play and try new things.

. but i feel like playing for an hour then losing points was more than a waste of an hour. 
 

@blueduck:  i do like the game.  i dont like being penalized for losing a match  because i wanted to try something different and i get 4 gated again.   ive found myself playing league of legends a lot more now because even if i get my ass kicked. at least at the end i dont also then get my experience taken away.also dont be a dick

   ive found myself playing league of legends a lot more now because even if i get my ass kicked. at least at the end i dont also then get my experience taken away.

They more or less removed the penalty for losing in WoW arena, it sure worked out great for that game! 
 
Oh wait nobody does arena any more.

@blueduck:  dude you cant try new strategies on the computer. the computer sucks and in no way plays like a real person. so dont give me that shit. you seem to have an anger issue. i disagree with you but will simply say i do. i enjoy the game. i dont enjoy being penalized after losing.  you dont mind it good for you.  over 3 million copies were sold. but only around 400,000 accounts remain active already. and i think its because of the penalties in the game.  there is no real way to play against someone without it being ranked. theres no non ranked mode besides custom games which noone does 1 vs 1  melee on custom.

Points mean nothing.  Keep that in mind.  I have no idea where I stand in any of my divisions.  Improving is based on playing the game, not worrying about points.

Points mean nothing.  Keep that in mind.  I have no idea where I stand in any of my divisions.  Improving is based on playing the game, not worrying about points.

@blueduck:  the only thing im saying is i do not like being penalized for losing. i already lost why rub it in by taking points or experience or whatever from me.  i just dont like looking at the after game score and seeing that not only did i play for 45 minutes to lose, i then also lose points. i guess it doesnt matter since  its only your invisible MRR that matters but its still annoying. of course i hate losing by the way. noone likes that.  but ive played hundreds and hundreds of games online between all the games i own. this is the only one that penalizes you for losing and i think its driving away people.

@imsh_pl:  how do you do 1 vs 1 non ranked........ there is noone doing those in custom games. theres no option for non ranked 1 vs 1

@imsh_pl:  ive never seen one. i will go check when i get home for that.   but my point still stands. there are lots of competitive games that dont punish you for losing. but im done arguing my point. good day sir.

Not that big of a deal, losing will drop you like 8 points, winning (with big bonus pool since you've been gone a while) will boost you 20-30 points a game. Just hitting a small winning streak will catch you up. Plus if you suck that bad soon you'll go down a league and play against players your own skill.

This isn't really on topic but this argument is hilarious to read. Tuna everyone is giving you the points you are looking for and stating why the "no penalization" idea is bad, yet you don't accept them. You say that you don't think you should be penalized for being worse than the other player, I say that this tells you that you need to work harder. 
 
Also if you really can't find 1v1 non ladder games just ask for someone to practice against on the forum, everyone's b.net ids are posted. Good day sir!

Its not like you can't infer details. I have the same amount of points as people with twice the amount of wins as me. I don't need to see losses to know I have a better w/l ratio than them.

You need to change your way of thinking. I'm going to quote some dude on the TL forums:  
 
"Consider ladder points a currency - You earn them by beating worse players, teaching them a lesson. You then use them to pay better players to beat you, so that you may increase your skill."

At the point I'm at, I get over 30 points for a win, and only lose 8 or so for a loss, so it's really easy to consistently be moving up in score. If you want to quit because of the points, go ahead and quit; no one's stopping you. It's not like if you quit you will never be able to come back and play again; you could just quit for a couple weeks if you are sick of it.

Huh? What?  
 
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i was in the hole of the bronze league  i win i get one point i loose i loose 50 i fall from top of the league to the bottom 

I seriously think this is a case of the player not understanding how matchmaking works, your league is almost irrelevant, your MMR is what is important. Bottomline is, you don't like being penalized because other people in your diviision, or the other people you're playing against, are better than you. 

You won't league up if you aren't good enough to get to the following league. The matchmaking system works great.

You won't league up if you aren't good enough to get to the following league. The matchmaking system works great.

Lose points or don't lose points, wouldn't the progression versus stagnation for people on the ladder still be the same?   
 
I have a full understanding why people who can spend hours upon hours on the ladder fare better than the casuals. It's like comparing two white collar workers who work the same position in a company. The one who spends the most time learning, internalizing, progressing and ultimately devoting time and energy into his craft will inevitably come out ahead of the other.  You cannot expect yourself to be at the top of the pyramid if you don't dedicate as much energy as the people on top do, those are unrealistic expectations. One I often attribute to younger people.
 
The argument that not losing points would somehow create a stronger, more solid player-base feels naïve. If you find yourself losing over and over, it's time to take a step back and analyze what is going wrong, just like a professional in any competitive field would.

skill wise the ladder dosn't really mean anything... but no I've never given up on the ladder becasue of points... I just prefer playing in custom games 1v1 vs people I know who are either at my skill level or above it.

If you're that worried about losing ladder points, avoid it. Playing custom games is a great way of getting back into the game after a long break or if you want to try out a new build.

Why is your reason for playing so ladder based.  Playing for a nonsense numerical prize seems silly to me when there is so much more to SC2.  I play all the time, though I don't go on the ladder that much.  I play lots of games against friends and other people from private channels.  Blizzard has me stuck in bronze with seemingly no way out, no matter how many games I win(I have seriously gone on retarded long winning streaks, and I just got bored of grinding out games in bronze for no real gain.)  The ladder is just one part of the online.
 
You can play custom games until you feel you are up to speed, and then hit the ladder again if the ladder is that important.  Note that the bigger your bonus pool the more likely you will get a match that your opponent is favored(favored has nothing to do with MMR), so you will get 40 or so points for a win.  

if i didnt lose points for losing. but only gained points for winning the brackets would still be about the same probably.

I love that I lose points when I lose.  It means I get ranked against less skilled players if I lose a lot, so that I'm not losing constantly.  I had a similar experience to the OP, in that I took a break from playing for a while, and when I came back, guess what, I sucked!  I wasn't nearly as good as I was before I took the break, so I got creamed!  I lost like 10 games in a row.  But  as I was losing, I was also getting back into practice, and at the same time getting ranked against less skilled players.  Eventually I stabilized again, and now I win about half my matches, just like it should be.