Puma leaves TSL and joins EG

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#1 Posted by lilburtonboy7489 (1948 posts) -
This shit is bananas. Personally, I'm glad and I don't think EG did anything wrong. He will be a great addition to the team. They finally have a good T to practice with. All they had before was DeMuslim.
#2 Posted by imsh_pl (3298 posts) -

I just realised I missed the entire NASL finals.
 
Great.

#3 Posted by raiz265 (2239 posts) -

I hope Puma doesn't regret it lateron TSL was a pretty good team with great practice partners for him, living in that house is highly beneficial for him, I somehow doubt EG can offer him a similar experience... Will he move over to the EG house at all? Or just live alone in Korea?

#4 Posted by babblinmule (1262 posts) -

I still dislike almost every player of EG (Axslav and InControl are cool though), so hopefully this acquisition will improve my attitude towards them. Also I guess this means that we'll be seeing Puma at more foreign tournaments, which is always a plus!

#5 Posted by lilburtonboy7489 (1948 posts) -
@raiz265 said:
I hope Puma doesn't regret it lateron TSL was a pretty good team with great practice partners for him, living in that house is highly beneficial for him, I somehow doubt EG can offer him a similar experience... Will he move over to the EG house at all? Or just live alone in Korea?
Yea, I personally think it won't help Puma, but it will definitely make players like Idra better. But yea, I'm not sure where he's going to live. I'm assuming there will be an EG official statement soon.
#6 Posted by Wunder_ (1171 posts) -

I said it on the twitter and I will say it again here, I will laff and laff if Puma moves to Arizona and his skill level deteriorates rapidly.

#7 Posted by csl316 (8928 posts) -

So in just over a month they lost 4 players? Sucks for them.

#8 Posted by raiz265 (2239 posts) -
@Wunder_ said:

I said it on the twitter and I will say it again here, I will laff and laff if Puma moves to Arizona and his skill level deteriorates rapidly.

Artosis will be a very sad panda :(
#9 Posted by raiz265 (2239 posts) -

Jesus fucking Christ. 
 
 That thread on TL.net is exploding... All that drama around player transfers.  
 
Does this mean ESPORTS is serious business now?

#10 Posted by N7 (3593 posts) -

@raiz265 said:

Jesus fucking Christ. That thread on TL.net is exploding... All that drama around player transfers. Does this mean ESPORTS is serious business now?
#11 Posted by raiz265 (2239 posts) -

Uhmmmm, well....

#12 Posted by Turambar (6808 posts) -

I went on the thread and all I see is something about AG and Milkis.  I'm not reading 280 pages of venting so does anyone want to summarize for me?

#13 Posted by Meteora (5787 posts) -

This is a huge deal made on the forums, everyone is going insane over this. TSL is continually losing players from its already small roaster (already having lost Fruitdealer and Trickster to TSL) and now Puma to EG. It feels like kind of a dick move for Puma to leave TSL to join EG, especially on how EG talked to the player directly and not through the coach (I guess that might be how things work in North America). On one hand yeah I guess it makes some sense, none of the players are on contract. But it just feels a little dickish. 
 
Whatever the case, TSL is feeling the hurt since they've been grooming Puma as their star for several months now. Hopefully Clideeeeeeeeeee pulls it through for the team. EG picked a huge player that will surely benefit the practice of at least Idra, though Puma's skills will deteriorate. Its got its up and downs, I guess.

#14 Posted by eunao2 (117 posts) -
@Turambar: They were having a debate in djwheats show about the player transfer.
#15 Posted by Turambar (6808 posts) -
@eunao2 said:
@Turambar: They were having a debate in djwheats show about the player transfer.
How did journalistic integrity suddenly get added to the mix then?
#16 Posted by sodapop7 (251 posts) -

So I've been following most of this as I was pretty bored today:

A forum post on TL basically contained a translated article with the coach of TSL accusing EG of shady dealings with regard to PuMa switching teams. The article was pretty biased in that it really painted TSL as a major victim. It turns out that PuMa was not under contract and hadn't even officially signed with EG yet. I think EG had a problem with the way this information was leaked and brought up the point that there are no consequences for someone posting an incomplete/inaccurate article that causes such an uproar. That's basically what lead to that I think but someone can correct me if I got it wrong.

#17 Posted by eunao2 (117 posts) -
@Turambar: The EG guy said that milkis should have got both sides of the story and not just coach Lee's. Then it reached the point where both of them were discussing what team liquid is in terms of reporting news saying that the community is the one who posts the stories.
#18 Posted by raiz265 (2239 posts) -

They shouldn't be surprised though, as far as I can tell EG never released any kind of official statement regarding the whole story.... So where should their side come from?

#19 Posted by endless_void (706 posts) -

Can't wait for next SOTG, and MLG is so soon as well. So much intensity in the world of esports I see. xD
 
@eunao2 said:

@Turambar: They were having a debate in djwheats show about the player transfer.

Mind to link? Would like to watch this.
#20 Posted by kingzetta (4307 posts) -

Ohh if only they could combine the insanity of pro starcraft playing with pro wrestling.

#21 Posted by Pibo47 (3166 posts) -

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

#22 Posted by csl316 (8928 posts) -

@raiz265 said:

Does this mean ESPORTS is serious business now?

Only on TL.

So is Puma moving to America? Because if he's still practicing in Korea, this seems more about EG brand growth than actual player development.

#23 Posted by lilburtonboy7489 (1948 posts) -

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever

#24 Posted by Turambar (6808 posts) -
@sodapop7 said:

So I've been following most of this as I was pretty bored today:

A forum post on TL basically contained a translated article with the coach of TSL accusing EG of shady dealings with regard to PuMa switching teams. The article was pretty biased in that it really painted TSL as a major victim. It turns out that PuMa was not under contract and hadn't even officially signed with EG yet. I think EG had a problem with the way this information was leaked and brought up the point that there are no consequences for someone posting an incomplete/inaccurate article that causes such an uproar. That's basically what lead to that I think but someone can correct me if I got it wrong.

In that case, trying to bright journalistic integrity into an argument when someone simply posted a translated article written by someone else seems rather hilarious.
#25 Edited by Meteora (5787 posts) -
@Pibo47 said:

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

Practising with one good player isn't as good as practicing with a bunch of different players in the same team. 
 
Don't even get me started on how the roaster of practice partners extends outside of teams in Korea. Our semi-finalists Byun got practice from MarineKing, sC, Ryung, MMA and Taeja, some of which named are some of the best Terrans out there at the moment. You can't exactly practice with them over seas, nor does the ladder do you any good in North America. 
 
Besides the kid beat MC while Idra failed to do so on multiple of occasions.
#26 Posted by csl316 (8928 posts) -

@lilburtonboy7489 said:

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever

I realized this during the backstage interviews of the NASL. It was the first and last time I've ever visited those forums.

Honestly, since this place is so much smaller, popping in here during a live event is seems considerably more fun.

#27 Posted by Zolfe (262 posts) -

yeah, TL exploded lol
can't wait to see how this stuff pans out

#28 Edited by Aus_azn (2224 posts) -
@csl316 said:

@lilburtonboy7489 said:

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever

I realized this during the backstage interviews of the NASL. It was the first and last time I've ever visited those forums.

Honestly, since this place is so much smaller, popping in here during a live event is seems considerably more fun.

TL is okay to read. It's not okay to contribute.
 
I used their wiki for campaign achievements and their info is definitely solid. Posting on competitive boards, however, is just inviting a flaming. I got torched once, when I was a SC2 noob. Not fun times.
#29 Edited by csl316 (8928 posts) -

@Aus_azn said:

@csl316 said:

@lilburtonboy7489 said:

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever

I realized this during the backstage interviews of the NASL. It was the first and last time I've ever visited those forums.

Honestly, since this place is so much smaller, popping in here during a live event is seems considerably more fun.

TL is okay to read. It's not okay to contribute. I used their wiki for campaign achievements and their info is definitely solid. Posting on competitive boards, however, is just inviting a flaming. I got torched once, when I was a SC2 noob. Not fun times.

I definitely use the Liquipedia a lot, for specifics on units and players while watching games. But I dunno... I personally just can't get myself to contribute to forums on a site that's about one specific game/musician/tv show, etc. Plus, I'm a gold player, and it seems like your ladder position will instantly keep you shunned on TL. Never mind that I've been a Blizzard fan since Warcraft II.

But to be honest, that sort of elitist attitude partly comes from the professionals, imo. How often have you seen a pro player make a mistake and get made fun of for months (TheBestfou's banshees comes to mind). Or when Artosis calls someone that isn't Code S material horrible (even though they might still be pretty damn good to be playing pro). They aren't always serious, like when Day9 poked fun at Idra for leaving games early at MLG, but the community seems to think that making fun is the thing to do. Or maybe I'm just mixing that up with the whole god damn internet, lol.

#30 Posted by DystopiaX (5333 posts) -

@Pibo47 said:

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

Idra is no longer a top level zerg really...has fallen off the wagon abit and admits to only practicing 3 hours a day and that the practice quality is shit compared to Korea....Honestly TSL gave him far better practice, even if EG will give him more money and tourney opportunities. Also consider the fact that Puma practices with more than just TSL members...the Koreans practice with people outside their teams too, so it's not like he was depending on Killer as his sole source of TvZ. Since I doubt he'll be moving from korea his skill won't deteriorate that much, just that he won't have the house setting that is actualy extremely benificial.

#31 Posted by NickL (2246 posts) -

@Pibo47 said:

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

Well there's a couple ways you can look at it really, we won't know until a year from now though.

He could stay the same, depending on his personal motivation to keep up his practice and go find practice partners, or he could get worse for not doing those 2 things.

Being in the TSL house gave him a constant source of motivation to help his teammates improve and he basically was forced to practice in the house, he won't have that crutch anymore.

However, if he does leave korea (I doubt he will) then I would almost guarantee he would get worse.

#32 Posted by Meteora (5787 posts) -
@csl316 said:

@Aus_azn said:

@csl316 said:

@lilburtonboy7489 said:

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever

I realized this during the backstage interviews of the NASL. It was the first and last time I've ever visited those forums.

Honestly, since this place is so much smaller, popping in here during a live event is seems considerably more fun.

TL is okay to read. It's not okay to contribute. I used their wiki for campaign achievements and their info is definitely solid. Posting on competitive boards, however, is just inviting a flaming. I got torched once, when I was a SC2 noob. Not fun times.

I definitely use the Liquipedia a lot, for specifics on units and players while watching games. But I dunno... I personally just can't get myself to contribute to forums on a site that's about one specific game/musician/tv show, etc. Plus, I'm a gold player, and it seems like your ladder position will instantly keep you shunned on TL. Never mind that I've been a Blizzard fan since Warcraft II.

But to be honest, that sort of elitist attitude partly comes from the professionals, imo. How often have you seen a pro player make a mistake and get made fun of for months (TheBestfou's banshees comes to mind). Or when Artosis calls someone that isn't Code S material horrible (even though they might still be pretty damn good to be playing pro). They aren't always serious, like when Day9 poked fun at Idra for leaving games early at MLG, but the community seems to think that making fun is the thing to do. Or maybe I'm just mixing that up with the whole god damn internet, lol.

The forums is a pretty harsh place to be. I just read the comments there. Don't really bother contributing to the forums though, you normally get into a lot of shit with other people/elitists. 
 
Its nowhere nearly as chill as here. Everything there is kinda more serious.
#33 Posted by raiz265 (2239 posts) -

It's harsh, but it's not "Imma go fuck your mother you faggot"-harsh.  
The rules are strict, but as long as you manage to follow them it's a pretty fun time imho... 
 
Early on I got some warnings and two temp bans, but by now I'm one year in and I really like the place. :o

#34 Posted by lilburtonboy7489 (1948 posts) -
@DystopiaX said:

@Pibo47 said:

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

Idra is no longer a top level zerg really...has fallen off the wagon abit and admits to only practicing 3 hours a day and that the practice quality is shit compared to Korea....Honestly TSL gave him far better practice, even if EG will give him more money and tourney opportunities. Also consider the fact that Puma practices with more than just TSL members...the Koreans practice with people outside their teams too, so it's not like he was depending on Killer as his sole source of TvZ. Since I doubt he'll be moving from korea his skill won't deteriorate that much, just that he won't have the house setting that is actualy extremely benificial.

I don't think that's true at all. Idra is practicing less because he thinks that's what is helping him get better. Practicing all the time is what you need to get your mechanics better. Idra's mechanics are among the best in the world. What he needs is to just think about the game more and develop new strategies. That's exactly what he's been doing. He said that when he plays less, it lets him evaluate the game much better and think of new things. Idra is definitely still one of the top Z players in the world. 
 
On the other hand, I don't think Puma will benefit from this as far as skill is concerned. He will probably make more money, but he really does not have much talent to practice with besides Idra.
#35 Posted by Thule (692 posts) -

TL can be harsh and elitist, but I prefer the strict rules there over the trolls/flames and shitposting that happens on this forum sometimes(It's not just GB, because other forums suffer from this as well. Overall GB forums are a great place though.)

Also, I'm not that familiar with all the details about the PuMa transfer to EG. But I do know that TSL didn't have him under contract. Like a wise woman once said: "If you liked it, you should've put a ring on it".

#36 Posted by DerBrick (228 posts) -

@endless_void said:

Can't wait for next SOTG, and MLG is so soon as well. So much intensity in the world of esports I see. xD

@eunao2 said:
@Turambar: They were having a debate in djwheats show about the player transfer.
Mind to link? Would like to watch this.

Here is the link to the Weapon of Choice blip.tv site. http://blip.tv/weaponofchoice. Its episode 32.

It's worth watching but Milkis kinda gets ran over by a truck with a big EG logo on it, tries to fight back, but the truck backs up and hits him again.

#37 Posted by Entus (253 posts) -
@lilburtonboy7489 said:
and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever
O.o 
 
What did you post...? Even TL doesn't perma-ban unless someone is a repeat offender or someone's first post is really really bad.
#38 Posted by baldgye (756 posts) -

I don't really have an opinion on the subject though I have been reading TL and shit is crazy!! haha

#39 Posted by csl316 (8928 posts) -

@DystopiaX said:

@Pibo47 said:

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

Idra is no longer a top level zerg really...has fallen off the wagon abit and admits to only practicing 3 hours a day and that the practice quality is shit compared to Korea....Honestly TSL gave him far better practice, even if EG will give him more money and tourney opportunities. Also consider the fact that Puma practices with more than just TSL members...the Koreans practice with people outside their teams too, so it's not like he was depending on Killer as his sole source of TvZ. Since I doubt he'll be moving from korea his skill won't deteriorate that much, just that he won't have the house setting that is actualy extremely benificial.

Well, he does have a hot girlfriend and apparently makes a ton of cash already. So I can see if his focus isn't that intense anymore, but I wouldn't say he's off the wagon.

#40 Edited by lilburtonboy7489 (1948 posts) -
@Entus said:

@lilburtonboy7489 said:

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever
O.o  What did you post...? Even TL doesn't perma-ban unless someone is a repeat offender or someone's first post is really really bad.
for saying that a  lot of people there are drama queens and like to white knight 
 
i didn't pick any one person out specifically...just on that topic specifically
#41 Posted by raiz265 (2239 posts) -
#42 Posted by DerBrick (228 posts) -
#43 Posted by DystopiaX (5333 posts) -

@csl316:

@lilburtonboy7489 said:

@DystopiaX said:

@Pibo47 said:

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

Idra is no longer a top level zerg really...has fallen off the wagon abit and admits to only practicing 3 hours a day and that the practice quality is shit compared to Korea....Honestly TSL gave him far better practice, even if EG will give him more money and tourney opportunities. Also consider the fact that Puma practices with more than just TSL members...the Koreans practice with people outside their teams too, so it's not like he was depending on Killer as his sole source of TvZ. Since I doubt he'll be moving from korea his skill won't deteriorate that much, just that he won't have the house setting that is actualy extremely benificial.

I don't think that's true at all. Idra is practicing less because he thinks that's what is helping him get better. Practicing all the time is what you need to get your mechanics better. Idra's mechanics are among the best in the world. What he needs is to just think about the game more and develop new strategies. That's exactly what he's been doing. He said that when he plays less, it lets him evaluate the game much better and think of new things. Idra is definitely still one of the top Z players in the world. On the other hand, I don't think Puma will benefit from this as far as skill is concerned. He will probably make more money, but he really does not have much talent to practice with besides Idra.

I agree you probably don't have to practice as hard as the Koreans...but 3 hours is low even for foreign players. Idra even admits it's not for thinking about the game or anything like that, he just doesn't practice as much. I don't think he's terrible, really, just that Idra is no longer at the level where Puma would actually gain alot from TvZing with him as Pibo suggested; Killer and his practice partners not on the team would be far better (and probably will continue to be better) than Idra for practice.

#44 Posted by baldgye (756 posts) -

so much drama!

#45 Posted by csl316 (8928 posts) -
#46 Posted by raiz265 (2239 posts) -
#47 Posted by csl316 (8928 posts) -

@raiz265: that's actually pretty cool.

#48 Posted by baldgye (756 posts) -
#49 Posted by raiz265 (2239 posts) -
@baldgye said:
@raiz265 said:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=246733  that's how you do it, look how happy everyone is, rofl :D
how's that any diffrent to oGsTL?
don't really know, but they don't really represent one another when they are in the "teritorry" of the other team, oGs always wears their oGs shirt with TL patch and TL always wear their TL shirts with an oGs patch. I don't think they really partnered THAT much... idk tho, doesn't really matter that much anyway I guess. 
  
 
WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT! 
 
It is EG's turn now! 
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=247655 
 
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#50 Posted by baldgye (756 posts) -

EG's alex comes across as a total cunt, did anyone else listen to him on Weapon of Choice??

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