I just realised I missed the entire NASL finals.
 
Great.

I hope Puma doesn't regret it lateron TSL was a pretty good team with great practice partners for him, living in that house is highly beneficial for him, I somehow doubt EG can offer him a similar experience... Will he move over to the EG house at all? Or just live alone in Korea?

I still dislike almost every player of EG (Axslav and InControl are cool though), so hopefully this acquisition will improve my attitude towards them. Also I guess this means that we'll be seeing Puma at more foreign tournaments, which is always a plus!

I hope Puma doesn't regret it lateron TSL was a pretty good team with great practice partners for him, living in that house is highly beneficial for him, I somehow doubt EG can offer him a similar experience... Will he move over to the EG house at all? Or just live alone in Korea?

I said it on the twitter and I will say it again here, I will laff and laff if Puma moves to Arizona and his skill level deteriorates rapidly.

So in just over a month they lost 4 players? Sucks for them.

I said it on the twitter and I will say it again here, I will laff and laff if Puma moves to Arizona and his skill level deteriorates rapidly.

Jesus fucking Christ. 
 
 That thread on TL.net is exploding... All that drama around player transfers.  
 
Does this mean ESPORTS is serious business now?

@raiz265 said:

Jesus fucking Christ. That thread on TL.net is exploding... All that drama around player transfers. Does this mean ESPORTS is serious business now?

Uhmmmm, well....

I went on the thread and all I see is something about AG and Milkis.  I'm not reading 280 pages of venting so does anyone want to summarize for me?

This is a huge deal made on the forums, everyone is going insane over this. TSL is continually losing players from its already small roaster (already having lost Fruitdealer and Trickster to TSL) and now Puma to EG. It feels like kind of a dick move for Puma to leave TSL to join EG, especially on how EG talked to the player directly and not through the coach (I guess that might be how things work in North America). On one hand yeah I guess it makes some sense, none of the players are on contract. But it just feels a little dickish. 
 
Whatever the case, TSL is feeling the hurt since they've been grooming Puma as their star for several months now. Hopefully Clideeeeeeeeeee pulls it through for the team. EG picked a huge player that will surely benefit the practice of at least Idra, though Puma's skills will deteriorate. Its got its up and downs, I guess.

@Turambar: They were having a debate in djwheats show about the player transfer.

So I've been following most of this as I was pretty bored today:

A forum post on TL basically contained a translated article with the coach of TSL accusing EG of shady dealings with regard to PuMa switching teams. The article was pretty biased in that it really painted TSL as a major victim. It turns out that PuMa was not under contract and hadn't even officially signed with EG yet. I think EG had a problem with the way this information was leaked and brought up the point that there are no consequences for someone posting an incomplete/inaccurate article that causes such an uproar. That's basically what lead to that I think but someone can correct me if I got it wrong.

They shouldn't be surprised though, as far as I can tell EG never released any kind of official statement regarding the whole story.... So where should their side come from?

Can't wait for next SOTG, and MLG is so soon as well. So much intensity in the world of esports I see. xD
 
@eunao2 said:

@Turambar: They were having a debate in djwheats show about the player transfer.

Ohh if only they could combine the insanity of pro starcraft playing with pro wrestling.

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

@raiz265 said:

Does this mean ESPORTS is serious business now?

Only on TL.

So is Puma moving to America? Because if he's still practicing in Korea, this seems more about EG brand growth than actual player development.

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever

So I've been following most of this as I was pretty bored today:

A forum post on TL basically contained a translated article with the coach of TSL accusing EG of shady dealings with regard to PuMa switching teams. The article was pretty biased in that it really painted TSL as a major victim. It turns out that PuMa was not under contract and hadn't even officially signed with EG yet. I think EG had a problem with the way this information was leaked and brought up the point that there are no consequences for someone posting an incomplete/inaccurate article that causes such an uproar. That's basically what lead to that I think but someone can correct me if I got it wrong.

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

@lilburtonboy7489 said:

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever

I realized this during the backstage interviews of the NASL. It was the first and last time I've ever visited those forums.

Honestly, since this place is so much smaller, popping in here during a live event is seems considerably more fun.

yeah, TL exploded lol
can't wait to see how this stuff pans out

@lilburtonboy7489 said:

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever

I realized this during the backstage interviews of the NASL. It was the first and last time I've ever visited those forums.

Honestly, since this place is so much smaller, popping in here during a live event is seems considerably more fun.

@Aus_azn said:

@csl316 said:

@lilburtonboy7489 said:

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever

I realized this during the backstage interviews of the NASL. It was the first and last time I've ever visited those forums.

Honestly, since this place is so much smaller, popping in here during a live event is seems considerably more fun.

TL is okay to read. It's not okay to contribute. I used their wiki for campaign achievements and their info is definitely solid. Posting on competitive boards, however, is just inviting a flaming. I got torched once, when I was a SC2 noob. Not fun times.

I definitely use the Liquipedia a lot, for specifics on units and players while watching games. But I dunno... I personally just can't get myself to contribute to forums on a site that's about one specific game/musician/tv show, etc. Plus, I'm a gold player, and it seems like your ladder position will instantly keep you shunned on TL. Never mind that I've been a Blizzard fan since Warcraft II.

But to be honest, that sort of elitist attitude partly comes from the professionals, imo. How often have you seen a pro player make a mistake and get made fun of for months (TheBestfou's banshees comes to mind). Or when Artosis calls someone that isn't Code S material horrible (even though they might still be pretty damn good to be playing pro). They aren't always serious, like when Day9 poked fun at Idra for leaving games early at MLG, but the community seems to think that making fun is the thing to do. Or maybe I'm just mixing that up with the whole god damn internet, lol.

@Pibo47 said:

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

Idra is no longer a top level zerg really...has fallen off the wagon abit and admits to only practicing 3 hours a day and that the practice quality is shit compared to Korea....Honestly TSL gave him far better practice, even if EG will give him more money and tourney opportunities. Also consider the fact that Puma practices with more than just TSL members...the Koreans practice with people outside their teams too, so it's not like he was depending on Killer as his sole source of TvZ. Since I doubt he'll be moving from korea his skill won't deteriorate that much, just that he won't have the house setting that is actualy extremely benificial.

@Pibo47 said:

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

Well there's a couple ways you can look at it really, we won't know until a year from now though.

He could stay the same, depending on his personal motivation to keep up his practice and go find practice partners, or he could get worse for not doing those 2 things.

Being in the TSL house gave him a constant source of motivation to help his teammates improve and he basically was forced to practice in the house, he won't have that crutch anymore.

However, if he does leave korea (I doubt he will) then I would almost guarantee he would get worse.

@Aus_azn said:

@csl316 said:

@lilburtonboy7489 said:

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever

I realized this during the backstage interviews of the NASL. It was the first and last time I've ever visited those forums.

Honestly, since this place is so much smaller, popping in here during a live event is seems considerably more fun.

TL is okay to read. It's not okay to contribute. I used their wiki for campaign achievements and their info is definitely solid. Posting on competitive boards, however, is just inviting a flaming. I got torched once, when I was a SC2 noob. Not fun times.

I definitely use the Liquipedia a lot, for specifics on units and players while watching games. But I dunno... I personally just can't get myself to contribute to forums on a site that's about one specific game/musician/tv show, etc. Plus, I'm a gold player, and it seems like your ladder position will instantly keep you shunned on TL. Never mind that I've been a Blizzard fan since Warcraft II.

But to be honest, that sort of elitist attitude partly comes from the professionals, imo. How often have you seen a pro player make a mistake and get made fun of for months (TheBestfou's banshees comes to mind). Or when Artosis calls someone that isn't Code S material horrible (even though they might still be pretty damn good to be playing pro). They aren't always serious, like when Day9 poked fun at Idra for leaving games early at MLG, but the community seems to think that making fun is the thing to do. Or maybe I'm just mixing that up with the whole god damn internet, lol.

It's harsh, but it's not "Imma go fuck your mother you faggot"-harsh.  
The rules are strict, but as long as you manage to follow them it's a pretty fun time imho... 
 
Early on I got some warnings and two temp bans, but by now I'm one year in and I really like the place. :o

@Pibo47 said:

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

Idra is no longer a top level zerg really...has fallen off the wagon abit and admits to only practicing 3 hours a day and that the practice quality is shit compared to Korea....Honestly TSL gave him far better practice, even if EG will give him more money and tourney opportunities. Also consider the fact that Puma practices with more than just TSL members...the Koreans practice with people outside their teams too, so it's not like he was depending on Killer as his sole source of TvZ. Since I doubt he'll be moving from korea his skill won't deteriorate that much, just that he won't have the house setting that is actualy extremely benificial.

TL can be harsh and elitist, but I prefer the strict rules there over the trolls/flames and shitposting that happens on this forum sometimes(It's not just GB, because other forums suffer from this as well. Overall GB forums are a great place though.)

Also, I'm not that familiar with all the details about the PuMa transfer to EG. But I do know that TSL didn't have him under contract. Like a wise woman once said: "If you liked it, you should've put a ring on it".

@endless_void said:

Can't wait for next SOTG, and MLG is so soon as well. So much intensity in the world of esports I see. xD

@eunao2 said:

@Turambar: They were having a debate in djwheats show about the player transfer.

Mind to link? Would like to watch this.

Here is the link to the Weapon of Choice blip.tv site. http://blip.tv/weaponofchoice. Its episode 32.

It's worth watching but Milkis kinda gets ran over by a truck with a big EG logo on it, tries to fight back, but the truck backs up and hits him again.

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever

I don't really have an opinion on the subject though I have been reading TL and shit is crazy!! haha

@DystopiaX said:

@Pibo47 said:

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

Idra is no longer a top level zerg really...has fallen off the wagon abit and admits to only practicing 3 hours a day and that the practice quality is shit compared to Korea....Honestly TSL gave him far better practice, even if EG will give him more money and tourney opportunities. Also consider the fact that Puma practices with more than just TSL members...the Koreans practice with people outside their teams too, so it's not like he was depending on Killer as his sole source of TvZ. Since I doubt he'll be moving from korea his skill won't deteriorate that much, just that he won't have the house setting that is actualy extremely benificial.

Well, he does have a hot girlfriend and apparently makes a ton of cash already. So I can see if his focus isn't that intense anymore, but I wouldn't say he's off the wagon.

@lilburtonboy7489 said:

and i got permabanned on TL for contributing. oh well, i hate that place. literally the worst community ever

O.o  What did you post...? Even TL doesn't perma-ban unless someone is a repeat offender or someone's first post is really really bad.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=246495

TLO speaks out!!!

@csl316:

@lilburtonboy7489 said:

@DystopiaX said:

@Pibo47 said:

Why does everyone think Puma is gonna start sucking because of this? He will improve quite a bit imo. While i do think Idra will gain quite a bit from this, imagine how much Puma will improve from playing a top level zerg. I dont see why everyone is getting all sentimental over their team falling apart. This shit happens in sports.

Idra is no longer a top level zerg really...has fallen off the wagon abit and admits to only practicing 3 hours a day and that the practice quality is shit compared to Korea....Honestly TSL gave him far better practice, even if EG will give him more money and tourney opportunities. Also consider the fact that Puma practices with more than just TSL members...the Koreans practice with people outside their teams too, so it's not like he was depending on Killer as his sole source of TvZ. Since I doubt he'll be moving from korea his skill won't deteriorate that much, just that he won't have the house setting that is actualy extremely benificial.

I don't think that's true at all. Idra is practicing less because he thinks that's what is helping him get better. Practicing all the time is what you need to get your mechanics better. Idra's mechanics are among the best in the world. What he needs is to just think about the game more and develop new strategies. That's exactly what he's been doing. He said that when he plays less, it lets him evaluate the game much better and think of new things. Idra is definitely still one of the top Z players in the world. On the other hand, I don't think Puma will benefit from this as far as skill is concerned. He will probably make more money, but he really does not have much talent to practice with besides Idra.

I agree you probably don't have to practice as hard as the Koreans...but 3 hours is low even for foreign players. Idra even admits it's not for thinking about the game or anything like that, he just doesn't practice as much. I don't think he's terrible, really, just that Idra is no longer at the level where Puma would actually gain alot from TvZing with him as Pibo suggested; Killer and his practice partners not on the team would be far better (and probably will continue to be better) than Idra for practice.

so much drama!

@DerBrick said:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=246495

TLO speaks out!!!

Oh god, that's serious talk.

This thread is my whole window to that world, and it's fucking intense!

@raiz265: that's actually pretty cool.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=246733  that's how you do it, look how happy everyone is, rofl :D

@raiz265 said:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=246733  that's how you do it, look how happy everyone is, rofl :D

how's that any diffrent to oGsTL?

EG's alex comes across as a total cunt, did anyone else listen to him on Weapon of Choice??