Why are Koreans so good at this game?

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#1 Posted by sreya92 (193 posts) -

I mean are they that intellectually superior to us Americans that they just roflstomp at tournaments? I don't get it. Is it because we don't take it as seriously over here? I'm just really confused, I'm trying to think of other sports (small lol at calling SC2 a sport but I digress) where one country clearly dominates a sport (individually speaking) over all the other countries and I can't think of one that's widely out of proportion like it is for SC2 and Koreans

#2 Posted by csl316 (8755 posts) -

Crazy practice regimes in Brood War probably helped.

#3 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

Wow, this went racist really fast. The more accurate question would be "why do Koreans spend as much time as they do playing Starcraft?" The answer to that is mainly because the US government provides strong military support to South Korea to protect them from North Korea. This allows South Korea to spend what would be military money on their own infrastructure, leading to wider Internet access, among other things. This probably explains why Starcraft became so popular in South Korea, which, in turn, explains why Starcraft II is just as popular.

#4 Edited by ThunderSlash (1748 posts) -

Probably something to do with how StarCraft and many other 90s multiplayer focused PC games of that era were ushered into popularity through the rise of internet cafes in Asia and such. That's my guess though.
 
Edit: Also, lots of practice.

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#5 Posted by BUCK3TM4N (549 posts) -

HRS AND HRS AND HRS OF PRACTICE

#6 Posted by bybeach (4843 posts) -

PPl. have predilections due to culture, values, study habits etc. I think SC2 favours alot of memorization and rote learning, and perhaps(i'm just making a guess) these do factor in. Add a modern inclination to innovate and change up, and maybe over the averages things be rocking for Koreans. But I really do not know.

#7 Posted by _jackbauer (26 posts) -
@Video_Game_King said:
The answer to that is mainly because the US government provides strong military support to South Korea to protect them from North Korea. This allows South Korea to spend what would be military money on their own infrastructure, leading to wider Internet access, among other things.
Yup, that'd be good 'old fashioned Amerrcan ignorance.
#8 Posted by Afroman269 (7387 posts) -

Racist.

#9 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19350 posts) -

Because, genetically, they have an inherent, tactical military expertise.

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#10 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -
@_jackbauer
 
How so? What did I get wrong?....Besides all of it?
#11 Posted by kmdrkul (3476 posts) -

That's what happens when you squint at the screen while playing.
 
 
 
... Yeah I just went there motherfuckers.  COME AT ME

#12 Posted by csl316 (8755 posts) -
@kmdrkul
That's what happens when you squint at the screen while playing.
 
 
 
... Yeah I just went there motherfuckers.  COME AT ME
No.
#13 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5138 posts) -
@kmdrkul said:
That's what happens when you squint at the screen while playing.    ... Yeah I just went there motherfuckers.  COME AT ME
This is going to cause so much butthurt.
#14 Posted by BaconGames (3438 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

Wow, this went racist really fast. The more accurate question would be "why do Koreans spend as much time as they do playing Starcraft?" The answer to that is mainly because the US government provides strong military support to South Korea to protect them from North Korea. This allows South Korea to spend what would be military money on their own infrastructure, leading to wider Internet access, among other things. This probably explains why Starcraft became so popular in South Korea, which, in turn, explains why Starcraft II is just as popular.

Infrastructure reasons coupled with a huge PC-bang culture lit the first SC like a puddle of gasoline. As a result people took it very seriously for competition and that's how we get 12 hour a day practice regiments for 6 days a week. You play a game that much with a high stakes competitive environment like that, you'll get pretty good.

#15 Posted by The_Nubster (2169 posts) -
@Video_Game_King said:
Wow, this went racist really fast. The more accurate question would be "why do Koreans spend as much time as they do playing Starcraft?" The answer to that is mainly because the US government provides strong military support to South Korea to protect them from North Korea. This allows South Korea to spend what would be military money on their own infrastructure, leading to wider Internet access, among other things. This probably explains why Starcraft became so popular in South Korea, which, in turn, explains why Starcraft II is just as popular.
Korea is good at games because America lets them be, god dammit! 
 
I don't think so.
#16 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -
@The_Nubster
 
Is that what I said? Didn't really want it to come across like that. But whatever, I'll take it as along as it helps people sleep at night.
#17 Edited by CornBREDX (5347 posts) -

No, I think it's because they can actually get paid to play it fairly easily (at least on the outside it looks like that) as opposed to other countries where making money gaming is not quite so easy.

Only my perception from the outside, though. Even when I was skipping school to play fighting games for money (bets) at the arcade I never dreamed I'd be able to make a living off it.

#18 Edited by endless_void (706 posts) -

Ignore the typical retarded trolls of the giantbomb forum.
 
Koreans follow extreme practice regimes with very little pay. In the brood war days they essentially had to earn the food they ate through tournament earnings and sponsors, nowadays alittle less stricter for the GSL pros, but still a really tough lifestyle. They play the game about 8-10 hours a day from what I understand and this includes practice matches with teammates and laddering on the BNET server. There is not a precise answer why they are so much better than foreigners but alot say its due to how hard they work towards a goal. The chinese also prove to be extremely good at sc2, although that scene has not fully developed yet since they only recently received the game over there. Some chinese players have already taken out the likes of Idra and Boxer just as a few examples.

#19 Posted by supermike6 (3565 posts) -

Starcraft is just way more popular there, and the more people there are playing, the better the best players are going to be. It's a fact, jack. 

#20 Posted by CornBREDX (5347 posts) -

@endless_void: There's no reason to go around calling people retards. I've been around a lot of the world, but I cant come close to saying I know everything about everywhere. If you know something someone doesn't state what you know and leave it that. No need to insult peoples intelligence as if you're somehow superior. It's unnecessary and downplays your otherwise legitimate point.

#21 Posted by jorbear (2517 posts) -

They just practice much harder than the average non-Korean progamer. It is as simple as that.

#22 Posted by endless_void (706 posts) -
@CornBREDX said:

@endless_void: There's no reason to go around calling people retards. I've been around a lot of the world, but I cant come close to saying I know everything about everywhere. If you know something someone doesn't state what you know and leave it that. No need to insult peoples intelligence as if you're somehow superior. It's unnecessary and downplays your otherwise legitimate point.

I was meaning the people who were trolling and absolutely not contributing to the topic in any way.
#23 Posted by onimonkii (2446 posts) -

i saw someone say once that it's just how they approach the game. in the example, they said that koreans are always trying to find more shortcuts and hammer out newer more efficient and effective builds and compositions, and everyone else is just trying to emulate what they've already seen koreans do. it's the difference between writing a guide, and following a guide. 
 
wish i could remember who it was.

#24 Posted by amomjc (977 posts) -

@_jackbauer said:

@Video_Game_King said:
The answer to that is mainly because the US government provides strong military support to South Korea to protect them from North Korea. This allows South Korea to spend what would be military money on their own infrastructure, leading to wider Internet access, among other things.
Yup, that'd be good 'old fashioned Amerrcan ignorance.

How the hell is that American Ignorance?

#25 Posted by Loose (419 posts) -

This thread is going places.

#26 Posted by MattBosten (497 posts) -

Competition, time spent and practice.

#27 Posted by lancer75 (87 posts) -

I'd say the extremely centralized nature of South Korea has a lot to do with why they're so good at Starcraft. Seoul is one of the most population dense cities in the world, which means that everyone lives really close together. This allows teams of players to practice together at net caf es or even in pro gaming houses. In North America and to a lesser extent Europe, people are much more spread out, which means that they don't have as much contact with other Starcraft players, so they have to be self-motivated to practice, unlike in Korea where there's coaches and teammates to push you. Also, since they play more, and in close proximity to other players, they can get better much quicker as your teammates can see how you practice, what you practice, and how much you practice. They'll help you practice efficiently, eliminate your weaknesses and train harder than most non-Korean pro gamers.

#28 Posted by Gangsterlax (113 posts) -

I dunno, probably the same reason why Americans are good at football...  
  
its just popular there

#29 Posted by Vinny_Says (5712 posts) -

Yeah well I can kick any Korean's ass at hockey so whatever

#30 Posted by TheGreatGuero (9130 posts) -

From what I understand, in Korea, they value video game players in a whole new light. The best ones are treated like the biggest celebrities or athletes here in America. So it's a different attitude towards games and gamers.

#31 Posted by the_OFFICIAL_jAPanese_teaBAG (4308 posts) -

hahaha even the first post was racist...  this thread is funny. 

#32 Posted by ShockD (2403 posts) -

Perhaps because they consider StarCraft A SPORT.

#33 Posted by gamb1t (965 posts) -

the swedens rape the us at counterstrike well before counterstrike source and THE CGS fucked everything up. thanks valve

#34 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

Apparently dog is a brain food.

#35 Posted by Vexxan (4622 posts) -

Mass practice...heck, they even have schools in which you practice esport games.

#36 Edited by mnzy (2914 posts) -
@Gangsterlax said:

I dunno, probably the same reason why Americans are good at football...

There's not really any international competition in football, is there?
 
Also, fighting games were pretty much dominated by Japan for a long time. Some exceptions would be Korea in Tekken and the US in MvC, but apart from those, Japan.
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#37 Posted by Spectreman (232 posts) -

Is like why men are better than women in mathematics and physics, it´s genetic.

#38 Posted by imsh_pl (3296 posts) -

Koreans are better at SC II because it's very similar to StarCraft, which they're also better at. Now the reason because they're better is because due to the internet boom that took place in the country in the 90s internet cafes started popping out everywhere, and their owners needed to somehow attract people to them by choosing a game they would let you play - since SC was a good competitive game in that time, boom. You got yourself a winner.
 
Other than that it's pretty much what others said - extreme practice regimes.

#39 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

It's because they're Korean.

#40 Posted by Gangsterlax (113 posts) -
@mnzy: Actually there is, I saw some college kids play the Japanese all star team a few years ago. The college kids won.
#41 Posted by baldgye (756 posts) -

South Koreans are fed with special tactics at an early age. This is why they are so good.

#42 Posted by Elbon (368 posts) -
@sreya92 said:
I mean are they that intellectually superior to us Americans that they just roflstomp at tournaments? I don't get it. Is it because we don't take it as seriously over here? I'm just really confused, I'm trying to think of other sports (small lol at calling SC2 a sport but I digress) where one country clearly dominates a sport (individually speaking) over all the other countries and I can't think of one that's widely out of proportion like it is for SC2 and Koreans
Korea also has the best archers in the world
#43 Posted by sirdesmond (1241 posts) -

They are just genetically better than the rest of us. It's that simple.

#44 Edited by DerBrick (228 posts) -

The fact the South Korean government embraced SC:BW helps a lot in this. When BoxeR leaves for his military service and the government makes Air Force Ace just for him.. its big.

As stated in earlier posts, they practice 10+ hours a day, and this came from BW. If you go back and watch when Brad visited the oGs/TL house, all you saw them do was play. In house ranking tournaments, laddering on the korean server, and customs with the best players around. They have nothing to worry about, everything is handled for them, cleaning, cooking, bills and so on. Their only concern is one thing and its SC2. Combine all this with Special Tactics and you get what we see now. Will it change? I hope one day the skill gap isn't as big as it is now, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

#45 Posted by endless_void (706 posts) -
@sirdesmond said:

They are just genetically better than the rest of us. It's that simple.

I really hope this guy is being sarcastic.
#46 Posted by sirdesmond (1241 posts) -

@endless_void said:

@sirdesmond said:

They are just genetically better than the rest of us. It's that simple.

I really hope this guy is being sarcastic.

Me too.

#47 Posted by raiz265 (2239 posts) -

It's their whole mentality regarding the game, very few outside korea take it as seriously as the koreans do and put as much time into it, it's pretty simple, really. Also on top of that they have their pro houses, which is a pretty rare thing over "here".

#48 Posted by Badhands (399 posts) -

Easy, they don't have sports. They have Starcraft, if America (or any nation) paid people to play starcraft instead of sports then Americans could be just as good. They aren't like genetically different then everyone else just instead of watch football, they watch starcraft, instead of playing football, they play starcraft. Simple answer.

#49 Posted by onimonkii (2446 posts) -
@Badhands said:
Easy, they don't have sports. They have Starcraft, if America (or any nation) paid people to play starcraft instead of sports then Americans could be just as good. They aren't like genetically different then everyone else just instead of watch football, they watch starcraft, instead of playing football, they play starcraft. Simple answer.
they actually do have other sports as well, like soccer, baseball, basketball, and even hockey.
#50 Posted by Icemael (6326 posts) -

Because it's pretty much their national pastime.

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