Can't seem to find matches, giving up and going to blog instead.
But from the 5 matches i had in the past hour or so these are the flaws I still see.

You can still see who your opponent is and kick them out if your hosting. You get some super disconnected "tournament" system which may be great if I can fight enough matches to see how it works. (this will be edited once I get to explore this mode some more)

EDIT: So the reason why people can't find a match is because everybody is broken up by where they are in the "tournament" (1st match, 2nd match etc.) So if you're in the 2nd match but everybody else is in their 1st match you won't find a match. Like with any new system everybody starts off at zero right now, when any computer has more matches (data) to analyze everybody will be sorted out to their actual rank. Freakin Justin Wong still starts off with no points before his first battle. Overall I'd say this patch just fixes what should have been there already and doesn't actually add anything new.

On another note, the SF4 Patch did have some tweaks.

Fei Long's Chicken Wing kick has more start up frames now making all his infinites gone.

Zangief's Lariet has had its hitbox changed so that its smaller but doesn't have as much invincible frames.


WTF Capcom, I want to be able to save my own replays to see on my own FN console. Why the fuck is that so hard for you to understand?

The PS3 has the voting system? voting system? Are you on crack Capcom? AND the only videos that gets saved are the people in the top tournament. Sure that may be great if you want to see high level play (and the 360 version so fucking lucked out by being able to see the inputs of each player). But what most of us really want to see is our own matches. Yes they may not be super high level play, so don't make it public then. Seeing videos of our own matches raises our game since we can see our own flaws and fix them without playing it at the same time. But no, instead if anybody wants to really see their own videos they have to either point a camera at the screen like a bootleg movie or make us hook up a capture card. Honestly Capcom, I don't care about uploading the damn replay, I just care to save and see my own replay. At this rate if we are good enough to make it to the finals, then we can theoretically get to see and upload out own replay. Looking at the "manual" for the update, it seems even if you do win a tournament you can only upload your replay; as in the replay is saved on Capcom's servers. Fucking moronic!!!! Capcom, you can save a lot of money by letting us save our own replays on our own consoles. But no, instead we can only upload one video at a time and it only is going to be one video since it always saves over the older one if we upload a new one.



Ok, to end this on a positive note, I will say this. Capcom has made a new system of evaluating how good a player is. The BP system got broken pretty quick when the upper players had no incentive (or every disincentive) to keep playing. The new system will track disconnectors and is double blind. You cannot change the parameters to one round 30 seconds BS, so something was done right. Despite, having the replay function totally botched (I honestly want to see for myself if lag killed me or my own mistiming which would be great if I could save my own replay and see all the inputs as well), and the tournament mode doesn't really feel like a tournament. Hopefully CP and GP points will be a better indicator of how good a player you are instead of the abandoned BP score.


To reiterate:
Good things:

1. New evaluation system (may be crap, but I have hopes for it for now)
   
2. Double Blind selection
   
3. Disconnecters are tracked

1. super disjointed "tournament" system
2. replay function
3. Still being able to kick people in lobby (you shouldn't be able to see who you're figthing til the match starts)
   
4. Any difference that the PS3 and 360 consoles get. Its like Capcom wants to give the flame war people some jet fuel. Both voting and seeing the inputs of both players should be in both consoles.
   

Can't seem to find matches, giving up and going to blog instead.
But from the 5 matches i had in the past hour or so these are the flaws I still see.

You can still see who your opponent is and kick them out if your hosting. You get some super disconnected "tournament" system which may be great if I can fight enough matches to see how it works. (this will be edited once I get to explore this mode some more)

EDIT: So the reason why people can't find a match is because everybody is broken up by where they are in the "tournament" (1st match, 2nd match etc.) So if you're in the 2nd match but everybody else is in their 1st match you won't find a match. Like with any new system everybody starts off at zero right now, when any computer has more matches (data) to analyze everybody will be sorted out to their actual rank. Freakin Justin Wong still starts off with no points before his first battle. Overall I'd say this patch just fixes what should have been there already and doesn't actually add anything new.

On another note, the SF4 Patch did have some tweaks.

Fei Long's Chicken Wing kick has more start up frames now making all his infinites gone.

Zangief's Lariet has had its hitbox changed so that its smaller but doesn't have as much invincible frames.


WTF Capcom, I want to be able to save my own replays to see on my own FN console. Why the fuck is that so hard for you to understand?

The PS3 has the voting system? voting system? Are you on crack Capcom? AND the only videos that gets saved are the people in the top tournament. Sure that may be great if you want to see high level play (and the 360 version so fucking lucked out by being able to see the inputs of each player). But what most of us really want to see is our own matches. Yes they may not be super high level play, so don't make it public then. Seeing videos of our own matches raises our game since we can see our own flaws and fix them without playing it at the same time. But no, instead if anybody wants to really see their own videos they have to either point a camera at the screen like a bootleg movie or make us hook up a capture card. Honestly Capcom, I don't care about uploading the damn replay, I just care to save and see my own replay. At this rate if we are good enough to make it to the finals, then we can theoretically get to see and upload out own replay. Looking at the "manual" for the update, it seems even if you do win a tournament you can only upload your replay; as in the replay is saved on Capcom's servers. Fucking moronic!!!! Capcom, you can save a lot of money by letting us save our own replays on our own consoles. But no, instead we can only upload one video at a time and it only is going to be one video since it always saves over the older one if we upload a new one.



Ok, to end this on a positive note, I will say this. Capcom has made a new system of evaluating how good a player is. The BP system got broken pretty quick when the upper players had no incentive (or every disincentive) to keep playing. The new system will track disconnectors and is double blind. You cannot change the parameters to one round 30 seconds BS, so something was done right. Despite, having the replay function totally botched (I honestly want to see for myself if lag killed me or my own mistiming which would be great if I could save my own replay and see all the inputs as well), and the tournament mode doesn't really feel like a tournament. Hopefully CP and GP points will be a better indicator of how good a player you are instead of the abandoned BP score.


To reiterate:
Good things:

1. New evaluation system (may be crap, but I have hopes for it for now)
   
2. Double Blind selection
   
3. Disconnecters are tracked

1. super disjointed "tournament" system
2. replay function
3. Still being able to kick people in lobby (you shouldn't be able to see who you're figthing til the match starts)
   
4. Any difference that the PS3 and 360 consoles get. Its like Capcom wants to give the flame war people some jet fuel. Both voting and seeing the inputs of both players should be in both consoles.
   

Some good points you have. I've only played a few matches myself but so far I haven't had a problem getting into games. That may be because it's just come out and everyone is trying it out though.

Also, everyone seems to be Frickin Awesome!! Probably because the only people the tournament mode appeals to are already good I guess, but still a bit annoying. Plus a lot of people I've played have been from Japan, which I guess might not be helping.

Anyway, will play some more later, might post some updated thoughts. Whatever people think of it though, it's free and all I really wanted was the double blind pick, so I'm happy :)

It'd be fine, except it lags so god damn much right now it's unreal.

"It'd be fine, except it lags so god damn much right now it's unreal."

Oh come on.They fixed what you wanted.
They gave blind select.Thats enough free content for spoiled people and the mode is enjoyable.
The voting system shouldnt worry you becouse your not gonna use it.Youre criticising a free meal.

"Oh come on.They fixed what you wanted.They gave blind select.Thats enough free content for spoiled people and the mode is enjoyable.The voting system shouldnt worry you becouse your not gonna use it.Youre criticising a free meal."

" so i cant save ANY of my replays to HDD? ffs i want to save MY matches! i dont give a shit about the top 5000 championship point leaders :|REALLY... I DONT!"

Yea this new patch seems like a real let down from what i've played. Lag seems to be high in the five matches I played which should be priority one.  Also can't they makes it so when you hit the quick match button, it automatically hooks you up with another player?? Add a quarter match system and lag free fights and i'll be happy.

"Reale said:

" so i cant save ANY of my replays to HDD? ffs i want to save MY matches! i dont give a shit about the top 5000 championship point leaders :|REALLY... I DONT!"

Yeah I know, tis a real bummer. Better than nothing obviously, but It can't be that hard to allow people to save their own replays.I agree with only the top 5000 being able to upload because otherwise there would be tons of nub fights up there, but why not let you save your own?!!!"

Ok to my memory Virtua Fighter and Soul Calibur both had teh option to save replays back when it was on the PS2 on a tiny 8MB memory card. I see no reason why we cannot save our own replays when we now have 60+ gigs of harddrive space. "

I have had little to no lag in any matches that I've played so far after working up to G3-B in about 30-45 minutes of playing.  I had two very very MINOR lag hits, and it was so minor that they were literally about 2 frames of play.  Nothing massive.

All this is why I'm jumping ship when BlazBlue comes-out, which'll kick Street Fighter IV's online ass by a mile. 

Capcom Japan doesn't fucking get online (Japan in general doesn't).  They took a HUGE backpedal from what is in HD Remix, it's ridiculous. 

Anyway, maybe I'll be seeing some of you online in BlazBlue, next month? :)

it's decent, imo.   Could've been a lot better but whatever it's free so I don't give a fuck.   Also, kicking is necessary because if someone's got a shit connection it's better to kick than have a laggy-ass fight.   I would'nt be opposed to not being able to see the gamertag and title/icon until the fight starts though.

"All this is why I'm jumping ship when BlazBlue comes-out, which'll kick Street Fighter IV's online ass by a mile. 

Capcom Japan doesn't fucking get online (Japan in general doesn't).  They took a HUGE backpedal from what is in HD Remix, it's ridiculous. 

Anyway, maybe I'll be seeing some of you online in BlazBlue, next month? :)"

You have to re-do your settings with championship mode to get rid of the lag. I had major lag problems but I went into my player status and told it to stop matching me against people in other countries. Fixed the problem.

My big beef right now is the forced progression I'm seeing. I'm not that great at SF4 so I was glad to see the tournament system would allow me (a below average player) to maybe play against people who are in my skill level for a change, except that's only going to be the case months from now. Right now we have everyone starting from scratch, which is fine, but I shouldn't be awarded points when I lose. I just got bumped from G3-E to G3-D because I played for a while. Why bother to promote me when I'm not that great of a player?

Well, I think the new championship mode is better than the old ranked matches, but like you guys said--these aren't really tournaments. You don't even really get anything for being a "champion," just some more points. Luckily, I'm not running into too many Kens, which is actually making it pretty fun and varied. I did get kicked a couple of times in the lobby. Could it be the cube head Zangief icon that I use?  Also, it really does over reward play time over play quality. Anyone think they'll actually do a quarter match update? That's still my preferred form of online match.

I think is awesome, I got to 4 championship finals in a row, but lost everyone of them so far. I love the fact that you cant see who people are picking. Over all not really much different then ranked but more of a reason to keep on playing. I still want a mode like sfhd where you can watch matches as you wait and advance.

Got to around 1050 GP and it seems pretty fun so far, the quality of the players I've been facing is a lot higher than ranked / player matches. Also, I've been seeing a lot wider variety of characters, although still no Bison yet :(

Does anyone find Seth Killian's description of the tournaments, here, a little off? I don't see any kind of dynamic matching system whatsoever. It's really just more of a ladder. And what are CP for exactly? I still can't figure that out.

"Does anyone find Seth Killian's description of the tournaments, here, a little off? I don't see any kind of dynamic matching system whatsoever. It's really just more of a ladder. And what are CP for exactly? I still can't figure that out."

The lobby system remains to be garbage. The ranking and tournament system is crap. The only thing they got right was blind character select. Big thumbs down.

Could not join because the game is already full.
Unable to play.

What a surprise.

The matching systems still sucks, yes. However you can put the arcade mode into the championship mode and get matches really fast. I was never even able to finish a single round before I got a match every time.

As for the points system, 1,000 does sound like a lot but you get 11 and 24 points for coming in 3rd and 2nd respectively. I just don't think the game should promote you from a letter grade to another, or even a while teir if you have never won a single "tournament."

Maybe it's just because the championship ladders are new, but I was getting matched up against people with thousands of GP or CP or whatever they are...and I had 23 GP. How does that work? Oh well, back to player matches for me.

Had a little look at the 'update data' thing that you can check out in the options menu just now. It says that replays can only be uploaded by the top 5000 CP earners. Championship points are the ones you earn in 'tournaments' and then converted to GP after you win/lose, and then it returns to zero. The amount of CP you earn for a win is determined by how many GP the other person you beat has.

What I'm getting at here is that you can only upload a replay when you beat a load of high ranked people, or at least high enough to give you a total in the top 5000. So if you don't fight any really good people you can't upload a replay?? I guess it makes sense, only the good matches are going to be uploaded, but why not let you save your own.

I got to upload one of my first matches which was pants, and recently uploaded a good win over a tough Dhalsim. Your new one replaces the old one in case you didn't realise.

"Could not join because the game is already full.Unable to play.What a surprise."

"The matching systems still sucks, yes. However you can put the arcade mode into the championship mode and get matches really fast. I was never even able to finish a single round before I got a match every time.As for the points system, 1,000 does sound like a lot but you get 11 and 24 points for coming in 3rd and 2nd respectively. I just don't think the game should promote you from a letter grade to another, or even a while teir if you have never won a single "tournament.""

On another note, the SF4 Patch did have some tweaks. Fei Long's Chicken Wing kick has more start up frames now making all his infinites gone.Zangief's Lariet has had its hitbox changed so that its smaller but doesn't have as much invincible frames. <//So this tells me Capcom does think Zangief's lariat and Fei Long's infinite wasn't intended>"

My problem is the online is still broken, and a quick match does not put you in a quick match!

Is saving game data after a match taking much longer for anyone else after downloading Championship mode? It's taking me about 12-15 seconds to get back to the lobby after finishing a match now, the "saving" message just seems to hang. Previously, this would take one or two seconds at most.

"Is saving game data after a match taking much longer for anyone else after downloading Championship mode? It's taking me about 12-15 seconds to get back to the lobby after finishing a match now, the "saving" message just seems to hang. Previously, this would take one or two seconds at most."

Yeah, its been happening to me. Also, after a match it hangs for a while, then often says d/c from PSN. This is win or lose. Irritating, because it docks me both my points and progress in a tournament. Not ao much today, but yesterday was awful.

"Yeah, its been happening to me. Also, after a match it hangs for a while, then often says d/c from PSN. This is win or lose. Irritating, because it docks me both my points and progress in a tournament. Not ao much today, but yesterday was awful."

"Is saving game data after a match taking much longer for anyone else after downloading Championship mode? It's taking me about 12-15 seconds to get back to the lobby after finishing a match now, the "saving" message just seems to hang. Previously, this would take one or two seconds at most."

"MB said:

"Is saving game data after a match taking much longer for anyone else after downloading Championship mode? It's taking me about 12-15 seconds to get back to the lobby after finishing a match now, the "saving" message just seems to hang. Previously, this would take one or two seconds at most."

My best guess is thats when the computer does all the computing to see whether you got disconnected or not. I also notice the load screen to get to the fight is long as well, but that could be because the other person still didn't install SF4 on thier console yet. "