Need some matchup help

#1 Posted by turbomonkey138 (4950 posts) -

As you know i play Guile and my worst match-ups are Bison and Abel . You've seen how i play so you got any pointers ? 
 
 

 
 I didn't play very well but this is typically how my fights go with Bison 
 

 NOW FACE THE MIGHTY BISON


 

#2 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

Yeah, here's some good advice - stop being a turtle/runaway Guile.

#3 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -

I had problems with Bison for a while but I found the best tactic against him as Guile is to go on the offensive. If you sit in a corner and camp it out he'll wreck you. Keep as much pressure as you can on him on his wakeup but watch out for his Ultra which alot of Bisons throw out because it's relatively safe and very hard if not impossible to do alot of damage except an EX Flashkick. Bison's kick is dangerous and his scissor kick is a pain but if it's a deep one that you've blocked you can hit him with a c.MP Flashkick kind of like Cammy's Spiral Arrow or Sagat's Tiger Knee. Most Bisons use Short Scissor kick though which is pretty safe.

#4 Edited by Stang (4726 posts) -
@Napalm said:

" Yeah, here's some good advice - stop being a turtle/runaway Guile. "

I have got to agree with this. Just because you are using a charge character, you don't necessarily need to hold down back all the time. Any time you are jumping begin your charge for when you land. Guile pressure can be annoying as hell, you are going too easy on people by only using Sonic Booms and random flash kicks.
#5 Posted by Vade (393 posts) -

Stop being such a bitch when he's close. Be more offensive. Guile has good normals.

#6 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -
@Stang said:
" @Napalm said:
" Yeah, here's some good advice - stop being a turtle/runaway Guile. "
I have got to agree with this. Just because you are using a charge character, you don't necessarily need to hold down back all the time. Any time you are jumping begin your charge for when you land. Guile pressure can be annoying as hell, you are going to easy on people by only using Sonic Booms and random flash kicks. "
I'll play mind games for the first few seconds into a match. I'll throw a Sonic Boom, dash forward a few times, and I try to get them into a habitual habit of throwing a fireball, so I can FADC through it and start putting some pressure on. I never have one real I start a match. It's usually a Sonic Boom, but sometimes I'll dash forward and freak them out.
#7 Posted by turbomonkey138 (4950 posts) -
@Stang said:
" @Napalm said:

" Yeah, here's some good advice - stop being a turtle/runaway Guile. "

I have got to agree with this. Just because you are using a charge character, you don't necessarily need to hold down back all the time. Any time you are jumping begin your charge for when you land. Guile pressure can be annoying as hell, you are going too easy on people by only using Sonic Booms and random flash kicks. "
I back off when i panic basically . bison is the character i feel least confident in fighting so i try and turtle ....
#8 Posted by JJOR64 (18954 posts) -
@Stang said:
" @Napalm said:

" Yeah, here's some good advice - stop being a turtle/runaway Guile. "

I have got to agree with this. Just because you are using a charge character, you don't necessarily need to hold down back all the time. Any time you are jumping begin your charge for when you land. Guile pressure can be annoying as hell, you are going too easy on people by only using Sonic Booms and random flash kicks. "
I agree.  I play Honda and most of the time I'm offensive.
#9 Edited by Napalm (9020 posts) -

You can throw M. Bison out of everything except EX Head Stomp. I'm not afraid to put an air - overzealous Bison on the ground and show him what'sup. When he does the Psycho Crusher, block it, and then immediately hit c.LP(x3) > Somersault Kick, or you can simply throw him.
 
EDIT: If you're also fighting an M. Bison that is turtling and down-backing, simply use your overhead attack (fwd.s.MP) + a Fierce Attack to get them to do something. The overhead attack will make them think they have an opening right when you hit them and it will open them up for a Fierce Attack.

#10 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -

Protip: If you're playing against a shoto start the first round with a sonic boom. The second round 50% of the time they will do a Tatsu/Demon Flip at the very start of the round which I Air Grab, it makes people shit their pants. I remember playing Ultima ages ago and I was pretty good at guessing when he was going to demon flip and I managed to grab alot of them. It's immensely satisfying. There's noting cooler then air grabbing a tatsu. It's a big mindfuck to some players.

#11 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@JJOR64 said:
" @Stang said:
" @Napalm said:

" Yeah, here's some good advice - stop being a turtle/runaway Guile. "

I have got to agree with this. Just because you are using a charge character, you don't necessarily need to hold down back all the time. Any time you are jumping begin your charge for when you land. Guile pressure can be annoying as hell, you are going too easy on people by only using Sonic Booms and random flash kicks. "
I agree.  I play Honda and most of the time I'm offensive. "
No shit, you make my Ken look passive. You are great at applying pressure.
#12 Posted by jaycee13 (523 posts) -

man i hate bison. I have no idea how to tackle them unless they are the headstomp spamming type.

#13 Posted by SpecialBuddy (1110 posts) -

I beat you 1 million dollars you have no Gen experience. Making that your worst match up.

#14 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@SpecialBuddy said:
" I beat you 1 million dollars you have no Gen experience. Making that your worst match up. "
All Gen's are free, no Gen experience is more then enough Gen experience.
 
Yeah, I just crossed that line.
#15 Posted by JokerClown88 (1051 posts) -

I play Guile, but you have to do something that most Guile users are afraid to do when playing Guile.  Play Offensively.  Its what I do  Get in there in the other players face.  You do NOT need to use only your special moves.  It is possible to charge while using other attacks, so that you can finish combos with your specials.  An Offensive Guile can be a very scary Guile.
#16 Posted by Thrawn1 (1340 posts) -
@JJOR64 said:
" @Stang said:
" @Napalm said:

" Yeah, here's some good advice - stop being a turtle/runaway Guile. "

I have got to agree with this. Just because you are using a charge character, you don't necessarily need to hold down back all the time. Any time you are jumping begin your charge for when you land. Guile pressure can be annoying as hell, you are going too easy on people by only using Sonic Booms and random flash kicks. "
I agree.  I play Honda and most of the time I'm offensive. "
what's your gt btw? I'm always up for the honda mirror
#17 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -
@Stang said:
" @SpecialBuddy said:
" I beat you 1 million dollars you have no Gen experience. Making that your worst match up. "
All Gen's are free, no Gen experience is more then enough Gen experience.  Yeah, I just crossed that line. "
s.MK is Guile's best friend against a Gen player. Well, that bad ones at least. Oh boy, is there a lot of them as well. "HAI GENS SMALL HOP JUMP WORKS IN EVERY SITUATION."
 
Throw the s.MK out and it deflects that shit. It's so funny to see Gen players freak out when I take that away from them. But then again, the real good Gen players mess me up pretty bad.
#18 Posted by JJOR64 (18954 posts) -
@Thrawn: Mirror matches make me want to kill myself, especially Honda vs Honda.  Anyways, my GT is JJOR64.
#19 Posted by AniMoney (957 posts) -

Honestly, it doesn't seem like you need matchup help as much as just getting better on the basics. 
 
If you want to be a defensive player, that's fine, don't care what other people think. Just use jab sonic booms and antiair them when they jump with c.hp or airthrow. That's his basic gameplay.
 
If you want to be more aggressive, then use your overhead (forward + mp) more and cross them up, throw them, poke, just get in their face and stay there. 
 
But honestly I think having a good defense is more of a priority that offense for you.

#20 Posted by turbomonkey138 (4950 posts) -
@Stang said:
" @SpecialBuddy said:
" I beat you 1 million dollars you have no Gen experience. Making that your worst match up. "
All Gen's are free, no Gen experience is more then enough Gen experience.  Yeah, I just crossed that line. "
Oh snap ! Thems fighting talks
#21 Posted by turbomonkey138 (4950 posts) -
@AniMoney said:
" Honestly, it doesn't seem like you need matchup help as much as just getting better on the basics.  If you want to be a defensive player, that's fine, don't care what other people think. Just use jab sonic booms and antiair them when they jump with c.hp or airthrow. That's his basic gameplay. If you want to be more aggressive, then use your overhead (forward + mp) more and cross them up, throw them, poke, just get in their face and stay there.  But honestly I think having a good defense is more of a priority that offense for you. "
Don't worry Scooper is teaching me the hard way ... 15-0 today
#22 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@turbomonkey138 said:
" @Stang said:
" @SpecialBuddy said:
" I beat you 1 million dollars you have no Gen experience. Making that your worst match up. "
All Gen's are free, no Gen experience is more then enough Gen experience.  Yeah, I just crossed that line. "
Oh snap ! Thems fighting talks "
It is all love. Hedgehog is a beast, he can be a real thorn in my ass when he has a life lead. 
 
If Scooper is picking on you send him my way, I well set him straight!
#23 Posted by turbomonkey138 (4950 posts) -
@Stang said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" @Stang said:
" @SpecialBuddy said:
" I beat you 1 million dollars you have no Gen experience. Making that your worst match up. "
All Gen's are free, no Gen experience is more then enough Gen experience.  Yeah, I just crossed that line. "
Oh snap ! Thems fighting talks "
It is all love. Hedgehog is a beast, he can be a real thorn in my ass when he has a life lead.   If Scooper is picking on you send him my way, I well set him straight! "
Heh that's a match I'd like to see . One of you should record it :3
#24 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@turbomonkey138: Yep, once my camera is here Scooper is up first. :evil laugh:
#25 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -
@turbomonkey138 said:
" @Stang said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" @Stang said:
" @SpecialBuddy said:
" I beat you 1 million dollars you have no Gen experience. Making that your worst match up. "
All Gen's are free, no Gen experience is more then enough Gen experience.  Yeah, I just crossed that line. "
Oh snap ! Thems fighting talks "
It is all love. Hedgehog is a beast, he can be a real thorn in my ass when he has a life lead.   If Scooper is picking on you send him my way, I well set him straight! "
Heh that's a match I'd like to see . One of you should record it :3 "
I beat you 15 - 0. Stang will beat me 25 - 0. It's not an interesting thing to see.
#26 Posted by turbomonkey138 (4950 posts) -
@Scooper said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" @Stang said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" @Stang said:
" @SpecialBuddy said:
" I beat you 1 million dollars you have no Gen experience. Making that your worst match up. "
All Gen's are free, no Gen experience is more then enough Gen experience.  Yeah, I just crossed that line. "
Oh snap ! Thems fighting talks "
It is all love. Hedgehog is a beast, he can be a real thorn in my ass when he has a life lead.   If Scooper is picking on you send him my way, I well set him straight! "
Heh that's a match I'd like to see . One of you should record it :3 "
I beat you 15 - 0. Stang will beat me 25 - 0. It's not an interesting thing to see. "
it will please me
#27 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -
@turbomonkey138 said:
" @Scooper said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" @Stang said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" @Stang said:
" @SpecialBuddy said:
" I beat you 1 million dollars you have no Gen experience. Making that your worst match up. "
All Gen's are free, no Gen experience is more then enough Gen experience.  Yeah, I just crossed that line. "
Oh snap ! Thems fighting talks "
It is all love. Hedgehog is a beast, he can be a real thorn in my ass when he has a life lead.   If Scooper is picking on you send him my way, I well set him straight! "
Heh that's a match I'd like to see . One of you should record it :3 "
I beat you 15 - 0. Stang will beat me 25 - 0. It's not an interesting thing to see. "
it will please me "
I bet it would. I might record our next meeting and make a thread "How to get your ass beaten". It's sure to get alot of views.
#28 Posted by turbomonkey138 (4950 posts) -
@Scooper said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" @Scooper said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" @Stang said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" @Stang said:
" @SpecialBuddy said:
" I beat you 1 million dollars you have no Gen experience. Making that your worst match up. "
All Gen's are free, no Gen experience is more then enough Gen experience.  Yeah, I just crossed that line. "
Oh snap ! Thems fighting talks "
It is all love. Hedgehog is a beast, he can be a real thorn in my ass when he has a life lead.   If Scooper is picking on you send him my way, I well set him straight! "
Heh that's a match I'd like to see . One of you should record it :3 "
I beat you 15 - 0. Stang will beat me 25 - 0. It's not an interesting thing to see. "
it will please me "
I bet it would. I might record our next meeting and make a thread "How to get your ass beaten". It's sure to get alot of views. "
Add it to the pile of videos of me getting my ass beaten lol
#29 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -
@Scooper said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" @Scooper said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" @Stang said:
" @turbomonkey138 said:
" @Stang said:
" @SpecialBuddy said:
" I beat you 1 million dollars you have no Gen experience. Making that your worst match up. "
All Gen's are free, no Gen experience is more then enough Gen experience.  Yeah, I just crossed that line. "
Oh snap ! Thems fighting talks "
It is all love. Hedgehog is a beast, he can be a real thorn in my ass when he has a life lead.   If Scooper is picking on you send him my way, I well set him straight! "
Heh that's a match I'd like to see . One of you should record it :3 "
I beat you 15 - 0. Stang will beat me 25 - 0. It's not an interesting thing to see. "
it will please me "
I bet it would. I might record our next meeting and make a thread "How to get your ass beaten". It's sure to get alot of views. "
MOAR GUILE RAPE, GET KY JELLY.
 
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#30 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -

All yall bitches be free. Come get some.

#31 Posted by turbomonkey138 (4950 posts) -
@Stang said:
" All yall bitches be free. Come get some. "
I wish we had good connection to each other ...... lol
#32 Posted by Chokobo (1228 posts) -
@Vade said:
" Stop being such a bitch when he's close. Be more offensive. Guile has good normals. "

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