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    Street Fighter IV

    Game » consists of 9 releases. Released Jul 18, 2008

    After nearly a decade in hiatus, Capcom's signature mainline fighting game series resurfaces with its fourth main installment, combining the traditional 2D gameplay with modern fully-3D graphics.

    Since when has Sagat stopped being fair?

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    #1  Edited By Infamousn89

    I have been maining Sagat since Super Street fighter and I was challenging people when I was like 7 years old. I have gotten very good with him, but now when I use him in a public competitive setting, I'm looked down upon and booed. I think this is extremely unfair, as I have come along way from not being able to do a tiger uppercut to being able to predict my opponents every move and act upon it appropriately.

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    #2  Edited By Romination

    I think he was overpowered in SFIV. At least, that's what I hear. He's rebalanced, along with everyone, in SSFIV so if you get that he may not be the so hated

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    #3  Edited By Tiwi
    @Romination said:
    "I think he was overpowered in SFIV. At least, that's what I hear. He's rebalanced, along with everyone, in SSFIV so if you get that he may not be the so hated "

    hahaha... me not believe this.
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    #4  Edited By lordofultima
    @Infamousn89 said:
    " I have been maining Sagat since Super Street fighter and I was challenging people when I was like 7 years old. I have gotten very good with him, but now when I use him in a public competitive setting, I'm looked down upon and booed. I think this is extremely unfair, as I have come along way from not being able to do a tiger uppercut to being able to predict my opponents every move and act upon it appropriately. "
    So people JUST NOW started calling you lame for using Sagat, yet you've been playing since ST days? I'm pretty sure Sagat was 15 times as broken in ST.
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    #5  Edited By Stang

    This thread delivers.

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    #6  Edited By lordofultima
    @Stang said:
    " This thread delivers. "
    I laughed, I cried!
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    #7  Edited By Stang
    @lordofultima: Do you still play online? I miss your Akuma/excuses/verbal abuse :(
     
    NO HOMO
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    #8  Edited By lordofultima
    @Stang said:

    " @lordofultima: Do you still play online? I miss your Akuma/excuses/verbal abuse :(  NO HOMO "

    Xbox is in the shop, man! You're behind the times. I've retired from SFIV. Never playing that game again.
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    #9  Edited By Gambit

    We all await ultima's Micheal Jordan like return in super SFIV. It will be......................... EPIC!!

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    #10  Edited By Stang

    You mean his final return where he quickly tarnished his what was historic career? 
     
     
    HURRY BACK ULTIMA!

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    #11  Edited By StaticFalconar
    @Infamousn89: Sagat has been unfair since Street Fighter 2. 
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    #12  Edited By Scooper

    Sagat will be more balanced with the rest of the cast in SSFIV so wait for that and no one will have a reason to complain.

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    #13  Edited By Fish_Face_McGee
    @Infamousn89 said:
    " I have been maining Sagat since Super Street fighter and I was challenging people when I was like 7 years old. I have gotten very good with him, but now when I use him in a public competitive setting, I'm looked down upon and booed. I think this is extremely unfair, as I have come along way from not being able to do a tiger uppercut to being able to predict my opponents every move and act upon it appropriately. "
    I think people who look down on ways of playing a game (same with "noob" weapons) to be hilarious.  The implication is that because you're using it, you're worse at the game than they are.  My feeling is that if they're so damn good at the game, they should be able to counter whatever "noobish"/"cheap"/etc. tactics a person employs.  Or they should just join what they can't beat.  
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    #14  Edited By lordofultima
    @Stang said:
    " You mean his final return where he quickly tarnished his what was historic career?    HURRY BACK ULTIMA! "
    That's what Gambit meant. Michael Jordan's return to BASEBALL! WOOOOO
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    #15  Edited By Elazul

    If it's in the game, it ain't cheap. Sagat is the fuckin' MAN!!!!

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    #16  Edited By SamStrife
    @Fish_Face_McGee:
    The thing with Sagat is that no matter how much countering they pull off, Sagat can hit them half the amount of times they hit them and still do more damage.  Along with his moves having some rather high priority and one of the best ultras....it means that if 2 players of equal skill played, the Sagat would win evey time because of how powerful he's been made.
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    #17  Edited By Jeffsekai

    Sagat is dumb.

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    #18  Edited By misterpope

    Sagat's fine. If you win, you win. Tiger Uppercut them in real life if they say different. Thats all you need to do man.
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    #19  Edited By napalm
    @Fish_Face_McGee: Ah, the generic comment of somebody who doesn't play fighting games. You gotta love these. I know I do!
     
    @lordofultima said:
    " @Stang said:

    " @lordofultima: Do you still play online? I miss your Akuma/excuses/verbal abuse :(  NO HOMO "

    Xbox is in the shop, man! You're behind the times. I've retired from SFIV. Never playing that game again. "

    Yeah because SSFIV is out this month! AMIRITE. Get it? GET IT?! That joke was amazing! Boom! One for Napalm!
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    #20  Edited By CaptainObvious
    @Jeffsekai: I don't know, he looks like an educated man to me.
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    #21  Edited By killroycantkill
    @Jeffsekai said:
    " Sagat is dumb. "
    This
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    #22  Edited By CanadianBaconX
    @CaptainObvious said:
    " @Jeffsekai: I don't know, he looks like an educated man to me. "
    Sagat... Street Fighter and a brilliant Scientist most noted for his various Tiger related research... True story...
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    #23  Edited By Splitterguy

    In most cases, especially in games as balanced as SFIV, even if a character is way higher tier than another, it still really comes down to player skill.  I think the reason why people hate Sagat so much is because his most powerful moves are easily accessible.  Sagat has flaws, they just aren't as immediately apparent, and a serious Sagat player is no less respectable than a serious Ryu player.  Or is Ryu also considered to be overpowerd?  Honestly, the SFIV character tiers matter so little to me I don't even know.

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    #24  Edited By Jeffsekai
    @CanadianBaconX said:
    " @CaptainObvious said:
    " @Jeffsekai: I don't know, he looks like an educated man to me. "
    Sagat... Street Fighter and a brilliant Scientist most noted for his various Tiger related research... True story... "
    Damn.
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    #25  Edited By demontium
    @Infamousn89 said:
    " I have been maining Sagat since Super Street fighter and I was challenging people when I was like 7 years old. I have gotten very good with him, but now when I use him in a public competitive setting, I'm looked down upon and booed. I think this is extremely unfair, as I have come along way from not being able to do a tiger uppercut to being able to predict my opponents every move and act upon it appropriately. "
    I have no problem with Sagat. 
     
    I think some characters are too weak (like fei long and guile).
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    #26  Edited By sfighter21
    @demontium said:
    " @Infamousn89 said:
    " I have been maining Sagat since Super Street fighter and I was challenging people when I was like 7 years old. I have gotten very good with him, but now when I use him in a public competitive setting, I'm looked down upon and booed. I think this is extremely unfair, as I have come along way from not being able to do a tiger uppercut to being able to predict my opponents every move and act upon it appropriately. "
    I have no problem with Sagat.  I think some characters are too weak (like fei long and guile). "
    What about my girl Rose!!?  Trying beating a good Sagat with her!!!  God d@l\/ln  IT!!!
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    #27  Edited By Keeng

    Sagat's not my main but he's my favorite character in the entire Street Fighter series. I still don't know why everyone hates him and Ken in SFIV. I've fought both dozens of times and the outcome has always been the better player wins the fight.  That sounds perfectly normal.

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    #28  Edited By Stang
    @Keeng: I have nothing against Sagat peronally. I do have a problem with the bullshit trade - forward roundhouse - ultra. Woohoo, 500+ damage with absolutely no effort, YOU ARE SOOOO GOOD!
     
    I hate Ryu for the same reason. I don't discriminate.
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    #29  Edited By TrakMastaTom

    Sagat has always been overpowered.  That doesn't mean you should stop playing him, just understand that people are going to get frustrated when they hit you twice as much as you hit them but they still lose.  It sucks.
     
    Of course I main Vega, so I get destroyed in 3 hits no matter who I fight. 

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    #30  Edited By demontium
    @sfighter21 said:
    " @demontium said:
    " @Infamousn89 said:
    " I have been maining Sagat since Super Street fighter and I was challenging people when I was like 7 years old. I have gotten very good with him, but now when I use him in a public competitive setting, I'm looked down upon and booed. I think this is extremely unfair, as I have come along way from not being able to do a tiger uppercut to being able to predict my opponents every move and act upon it appropriately. "
    I have no problem with Sagat.  I think some characters are too weak (like fei long and guile). "
    What about my girl Rose!!?  Trying beating a good Sagat with her!!!  God d@l\/ln  IT!!! "
    True, but when I used to use rose as a secondary I loved fighting noob sagats. 
     
    I would reflect fireballs, slide and grab, and punish random srk all day long. 
     
    Seriously though, yes, sakura and rose are also low tier.
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    #31  Edited By sfighter21
    @demontium said:
    " @sfighter21 said:
    " @demontium said:
    " @Infamousn89 said:
    " I have been maining Sagat since Super Street fighter and I was challenging people when I was like 7 years old. I have gotten very good with him, but now when I use him in a public competitive setting, I'm looked down upon and booed. I think this is extremely unfair, as I have come along way from not being able to do a tiger uppercut to being able to predict my opponents every move and act upon it appropriately. "
    I have no problem with Sagat.  I think some characters are too weak (like fei long and guile). "
    What about my girl Rose!!?  Trying beating a good Sagat with her!!!  God d@l\/ln  IT!!! "
    True, but when I used to use rose as a secondary I loved fighting noob sagats.  I would reflect fireballs, slide and grab, and punish random srk all day long.  Seriously though, yes, sakura and rose are also low tier. "
    n00b Sagats are a different story...
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    #32  Edited By captainfish

    There is nothing more satisfying than taking apart a Sagat player with my Fei. I will admit that's its an uphill battle though. I got really cheesed when someone ex dp'ed into ultra and got like most of the hits and the final connection :( Fei doesn't have any easy combos like that.

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    #33  Edited By j0nnyDiGITAL

    I think that the higher level you play the more a problem Sagat becomes. Honestly tiers don't matter too much when you're just goofing around with your friends or online.

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    #34  Edited By sho76und3wd

    Who cares if people cheer you or revile you?  I mean you are already using one of the best characters in the game, do we have to submit to you as well.  WELL IM NOT GONNA BUDDY!

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    #35  Edited By dbz1995

    The problem you have duder is the fact that Sagat is top tier. Most people choose him because he is top tier. I know you don't-you have a history with him (not gay)-but still, you probably just look a tier whore playing with Sagat.
     
    Better put like this:
     

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    #36  Edited By Keeng
    @Stang: Man, it's totally not like that for me. Maybe you can chalk it up to me not being that good with Sagat (or maybe it's because I don't play like a jackass) but I struggle to win with him. I don't think any character in the game is overpowered to the point of being hate-worthy, with the possible exception of Seth, who I beat on the regular. I still believe the main point is who's a better player. 
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    #37  Edited By Stang
    @Keeng: I don't think Sagat is overpowered, and I think he takes a of skill to use properly. He is a bit broke though, there is no logical reason why he should be able to destroy somebody off a trade, that is just ridiculous. Capcom rectified the situation in Super, all is good in my book.
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    #38  Edited By Heylook

    I think Stang is overpowered. 
     
    HAYTAHS GUN HAYTE

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    #39  Edited By Infamousn89

    Wow, this got a great response. I understand all criticisms too. I appreciate all the input from both sides of the discussion.

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    #40  Edited By ImperiousRix
    @Stang said:
    " @Keeng: I have nothing against Sagat peronally. I do have a problem with the bullshit trade - forward roundhouse - ultra. Woohoo, 500+ damage with absolutely no effort, YOU ARE SOOOO GOOD!  I hate Ryu for the same reason. I don't discriminate."
    I'm pretty sure in SSFIV, for Ryu anyway, if he trades an SRK now, he won't be able to follow up with an ultra.  They increased the recovery time on trade.
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    #41  Edited By Keeng
    @Stang:  Forgive me, but I don't spend nearly as much time as I should talking about SFIV in forums. What exactly is a trade? And for that matter, what's SRK? I'm thinking it might be Standing Roundhouse Kick, but I should probably be sure.
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    #42  Edited By chrissedoff

    alls i know is, the only character that i almost always lose to online is sagat. i'm no street fighter scientist, but to me, he seems unfair.

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    #43  Edited By Stang
    @Keeng:  You know when a person jumps in on you deep and you do a tiger uppercut late? Well, with Ryu and Sagat (and some cases Rog) your opponent stays in a juggleable  (is that a word?)  state and you can then do a forward + roundhouse kick and then do an ultra for massive damage. It is complete horse shit, even some of the top level players who use him agree on that.  
     
    Here is an example of Ryu's
     
     
     
     
    SRK is the abbreviation for shoryuken, with respect to Sagat, tiger uppercut.
     
    Edit
     
    @ ImperiousRix 
     
    Psst, 3 posts before yours! :p
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    #44  Edited By StaticFalconar
    @Stang said:
    " @Keeng:  You know when a person jumps in on you deep and you do a tiger uppercut late? Well, with Ryu and Sagat (and some cases Rog) your opponent stays in a juggleable  (is that a word?)  state and you can then do a forward + roundhouse kick and then do an ultra for massive damage. It is complete horse shit, even some of the top level players who use him agree on that.  
     
    Here is an example of Ryu's
     
     
     
     
    SRK is the abbreviation for shoryuken, with respect to Sagat, tiger uppercut.
     
    Edit
     
    @ ImperiousRix   Psst, 3 posts before yours! :p "
    Add to it that sagats can kara everything as well so it doesn't even matter if he's slow he can still reach you wherever you are. 
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    #45  Edited By King9999

    Sagat's never been fair.  He's just had varying degrees of brokenness over the years.

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    #46  Edited By Necrotrophic

    Sagat sucks. Capcom doesnt seem to know how to not make him broken.
     
    Granted I didnt play the alpha/crossover games much but... shit. Sagat kills Chun if she tries turtling, if she gets up close she can dominate him, but he can just mash out something that goes into ultra and boom 90% of your damn health is gone.

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    #47  Edited By HotSauceMagik

    Sagat has been OP to an extent in pretty much every game he's beein in, but there was an interview with either s-kill, or Onosan where they said the game is not perfectly balanced on purpose.   That said, he is particularly OP in 4, but you'll never hear me complain about it.

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    #48  Edited By TheLastNeo

    I dont know...    When I first came to these boards, I said right off the bat that I think i suck because I main sagat, and he's "god" tier.  But honest to god, "tiers" only mean so much, and alot of that shit really goes out he window when your in the middle of a match.  
     
    At the end of the day it comes down to what you choose to do with your character at a given moment.   I've gotten my ass handed to me many times over by every character on the current SF roster, just as equally as i've kicked the same amount of ass. 
     
    You win some you lose some, and while many times I might call bullshit during certain moments, in the end..if I lost..... I LOST, because of what I chose to do, or not do.  Not because someone used an exploit to gain a win. 

    Sure you can blame it on  lag, or missed links, or some ass who consatantly mashes DP,but none of that matters. 
     
    Every character has the ability to beat another character, Period. 
     
    Sagat is Awesome!  ::

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