Im thinkin of moving on from him for a few reasons.

1. He's God tier, and that inherently comes with a certain "You must be a noob if your using sagat"

2. Ive been questioning my skill level with him, and I realize im not as good as id like to be.

and a few others...

Let me state that I've been playing SF, since World Warrior... so I have much respect for the game, the craft, and the skill that goes into mastering a given character.

I used to main Ken back in the day, but moved to Sagat when HD REMIX came out... so when SFIV came out, my logical move was to remain with Sagat... .little did I know he's be top tier...

I'll openly admit that im not that good, but Im not that horrible either. Of the many sagats that Ive fought online I can comfortably say that I dont really play like them (but then again, Sagat vs Sagat matches arent really "normal" fights)

Here are a few matches for reference... feel free to shred them to bits.. i have thick skin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EISRAzs5WUc (this one was recorded just a few days ago , some random dude recorded a match between him and i) [Sagat vs Cammy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YehU16Fbz0o - [Sagat vs Cammy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmsjuHHHlAY - [Sagat vs Ryu]... ryu owns me the first round.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mav_gnKfQAo - [Sagat vs Abel] .. this match clearly defines Sagats stamina, and ability to take damage... its almost unfair, and I feel like I won this match because of tier differential.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4lzLg-E5YU - [Sagat vs Seth] - We duke it out in this match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HwmXT718zM - [Sagat vs Guile] - This match was epic cuz me and this guy had fought twice before and he was talking tons of garbage between each match..

I have a few more, but you get the gist of it...

What im lookin for is just some straight up honest critique... Should I stay w/ Sagat? Move on? Im interested in picking up GUY when Super comes out, since he was my fav during the alpha series just cuz he looks cool as hell, and he's different.

My other favs include: Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Guile, Dhalsim, Dictator, Gouken is fun too...

Im currently G1-E rank right around 15000ish points (not that it means anything, but just putting a number on it)

Dunno, guess im just reflecting and tryin to figure out which direction to go...

Im really lookin for some help fellas....

Thanks in advance.

Lets play.

Yeah I'd rather play you before giving any advice. 
 
GT: AniMoney

Who cares what people say about you playing Sagat? I really like the way he plays, so I've been trying to learn a bit about him. That should be your main criteria for choosing a character, doesn't have to be about tiers to want to play Sagat.

When it comes down to it, play to have fun and play to win. I always say give a new character a try since you never know if the new character fits your playstyle better until you use them, but if you really want to know if your sagat is good, join a GB tournament and see how you fair. 

Stick with him. He's going to be nerfed in SSFIV anyway. We all know it's coming.

Joining/winning a GB tournament means nothing. All it means is that you can advance because nobody shows up.

" Stick with him. He's going to be nerfed in SSFIV anyway. We all know it's coming. "

" @SuperSecretAgenda said:

" Stick with him. He's going to be nerfed in SSFIV anyway. We all know it's coming. "

I'm sure he'll be buffed in more ways than he's nerfed. "

" Joining/winning a GB tournament means nothing. All it means is that you can advance because nobody shows up. "

I would say main someone else simply for the reason it will give you a broader spectrum of experience with the SF4 characters. Maining as someone else for a while can actually make you better with your former main as you learn other sides of the game. 
 
I usually main as chun then go to someone else for a month or 2 then come back to chun with a fresh perspective.

Stay with Sagat. We don't have any players of the guy on the forums so keep with it. Who cares if he is top tear? He not as bad as Gill from 3s or Akuma from HDR. Now toughs guys are stupid.

If you like Sagat, use Sagat.  Honestly, who cares what people say about it.  He isn't unbeatable, so who cares.  Just keep working with him.

NOOB :P 
 
 
no i dont think anyone really cares, the people who care are people who either lose to him or dont know how to fight him and then thats just there fault 

" Stay with Sagat. We don't have any players of the guy on the forums so keep with it. "

 You know its pretty crazy to see the dramatic difference in replies that I got here vs the gamefaqs.com boards....


They pretty much said that My sagat is very very very basic, which I agree with.  My only real regret is that it took me so long to figure it out.


Im considering Akuma, Dictator, Ken, Guile ... as my next main... in that order.




Still up in the air... .




advice?    

Well my advice is as long as your having fun it doesn't mater but if your board sure try another character maybe you will like them more then sagat  
 
 
also this is needed in a thread about SF4 
 
GET HYPE!!!!!!

Ken. Real men use him. Just don't turn into a mashing moron.

"  You know its pretty crazy to see the dramatic difference in replies that I got here vs the gamefaqs.com boards.... They pretty much said that My sagat is very very very basic, which I agree with.  My only real regret is that it took me so long to figure it out. Im considering Akuma, Dictator, Ken, Guile ... as my next main... in that order. Still up in the air... . advice?     "

I assume you're talking about binh and his juggles? such a waste of talent, I'm pretty sure he's completely switched over to tekken.

" I assume you're talking about binh and his juggles? such a waste of talent, I'm pretty sure he's completely switched over to tekken. "

Yeah that or fight club. Goons isn't happening for awhile so all the pros are coming to fc. He was even there last night. You should have come, I brought pizza. lol don't worry about it though lots of regulars were missing such as allen and dj

" @TheLastNeo: Sagat is just as good as any other character, in fact he gets his ass smashed by blanka.  Be him if you are good with him, but a good transition from him would be to Ryu.  He is the next best fireball thrower IMO, and has a ready set of attacks both in air and on ground.  Very balanced and fun to play. "

" @demontium said:

" @TheLastNeo: Sagat is just as good as any other character, in fact he gets his ass smashed by blanka.  Be him if you are good with him, but a good transition from him would be to Ryu.  He is the next best fireball thrower IMO, and has a ready set of attacks both in air and on ground.  Very balanced and fun to play. "

If by smashed you mean 5-5 match-up, then sure. Sagat's worst match-up is probably Dhalsim, and that's still a 5-5 match. "

" @lordofultima said:

" @demontium said:

" @TheLastNeo: Sagat is just as good as any other character, in fact he gets his ass smashed by blanka.  Be him if you are good with him, but a good transition from him would be to Ryu.  He is the next best fireball thrower IMO, and has a ready set of attacks both in air and on ground.  Very balanced and fun to play. "

If by smashed you mean 5-5 match-up, then sure. Sagat's worst match-up is probably Dhalsim, and that's still a 5-5 match. "

Dude, I will pretty much accept what you say, but Sagat is not "god tier"  He always has a weakness, and in the hands of a non-perfect player (99% of SF players) he can be beaten. "

" @demontium: Bottom line is that in the hands of top players, Sagat's worst matchup is 5-5. That is all Ultima is saying. Nobody here is professional (besides me), so the tiers don't mean shit. Sagat/Ken is 6/4, but more often then not I beat Sagat's. Why? 360 scrub Sagat's have no idea what the hell to do when you are in their face. If I was playing LI Joe, Sanford or any other pro, I would get absolutely destroyed. "

specialbuddy get your ass over to srk and accept scrub arthur's challenge so we can all get paid. btw he mains cammy and honda. he knows more about sfiv than any person in dfw but he can't apply any of it during a match which explains why he's so cocky yet loses so often.

" specialbuddy get your ass over to srk and accept scrub arthur's challenge so we can all get paid. btw he mains cammy and honda. he knows more about sfiv than any person in dfw but he can't apply any of it during a match which explains why he's so cocky yet loses so often. "

yeah i think he wears glasses...he has a beard, longish hair, is white, talks a lot and is usually pretty loud when drunk. lol take that mm

Stay with who you like to play. I've caved twice now because of pressure from people saying who I play is lame. I started with Sagat because he's one of my favourite characters in the SF universe but got ousted by people for using him so I went to my other favourite, Ryu and got the same treatment. Now I play Guile who no one can really complain about but still manage to go back to the old chessnut of "nice turtling lol" if I beat them which is funny considering I play a pretty middling range offensive/defensive playstyle and usualy the people who say I was turtling are the people who are in the corner for most of the match and confuse good pressure and controlling space as turtling.

You know at the end of the day people will find a million things to bitch about.....      I've gotten pissed off many a time if someone totally owns me, but I dont bitch about it.. infact I do just the opposite...I msg, and send a compliment or something to that effect, since obviously whatever that person did worked. 
 
And at the end of the day, its all about winning... 
 
With that said, i'd still like to be able to with with Style ;)

Since everybody else can be so kind towards you, I'll be the bearer of bad news: you're not very good. At all. Your game consists of stupid, gimmicky crap such as knocking somebody back, jumping back until your on the other side, and then spamming Tiger Shots and s.FK. You have absolutely no inside game other than random Tiger Uppercuts and s.FK. Your tactics might work in online play, but you'll get wrecked any place else.
 
And, I'd like to fight you just to show you how important it is to have an inside game. I'm pretty sure everybody here can attest to the importance of that, as that is oftentimes do or die for a lot of players. If you hope to get better, it might not be a bad idea to watch some YouTube videos of solid Sagat players and look at their tactics and steal from them. This is how I got better with Guile. Everybody starts scrubby. However, you can't get better until you fight others better than you and look at players who are better than you.

" Since everybody else can be so kind towards you, I'll be the bearer of bad news: you're not very good. At all. Your game consists of stupid, gimmicky crap such as knocking somebody back, jumping back until your on the other side, and then spamming Tiger Shots and s.FK. "

" Since everybody else can be so kind towards you, I'll be the bearer of bad news: you're not very good. At all. Your game consists of stupid, gimmicky crap such as knocking somebody back, jumping back until your on the other side, and then spamming Tiger Shots and s.FK. You have absolutely no inside game other than random Tiger Uppercuts and s.FK. Your tactics might work in online play, but you'll get wrecked any place else.  And, I'd like to fight you just to show you how important it is to have an inside game. I'm pretty sure everybody here can attest to the importance of that, as that is oftentimes do or die for a lot of players. If you hope to get better, it might not be a bad idea to watch some YouTube videos of solid Sagat players and look at their tactics and steal from them. This is how I got better with Guile. Everybody starts scrubby. However, you can't get better until you fight others better than you and look at players who are better than you. "

just start maining drunken jackie

Ok, so here we are a few months later, and i've been thinking about this a bit more. (problem is my damn xbox took a shit, so I've been offline for a while.... Finally got a replacement in the mail yesterday and guess what...  fucking RROD [needless to say im pretty ripped] ) 
 
I did manage to play for a bit with a few other characters for a bit... I usually default to Guile, Ken, Akuma, Gouken.. and occasionally throw in Bison or Ryu. 
 
Also, i stopped playing Champion Matches exclusively... I played these most often simply because the connection quality was always way better. 
 
 
Long story short, I think im just going to stick with Sagat, and not focus so much on trying to learn crazy shit, and focus more on improving the quality of my core game. 
 
 
With that said, i'd love a few matches from some of GB's best!   GT: THELASTNEO 

I would say, try out Sagat when Super comes out.
 
If you like him still, stick with him, if not move on.
 
The real question you need to ask yourself is what is your style, and what character suits it best?

Sagat has been nerfed to high heaven, damage is down across the board, health is down, trade into ultra is harder/more situational, standing light kick cancels are gone too.
 
However nothing has really changed, he will still play the same with the exception of his standing light kick now being ass. (farewell tiger knee traps)
 
Easily gonna be high tier still, all of his tools are pretty much intact but no longer will you pull off shit like this for 700 damage; 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g2sfJUaGIk
 
Edit: If you look at some of the more recent SSFIV videos you will see how much lower his damage is, I was really surprised when I first saw the changes in effect.

" Sagat has been nerfed to high heaven, damage is down across the board, health is down, trade into ultra is harder/more situational, standing light kick cancels are gone too. However nothing has really changed, he will still play the same with the exception of his standing light kick now being ass. (farewell tiger knee traps) Easily gonna be high tier still, all of his tools are pretty much intact but no longer will you pull off shit like this for 700 damage;  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g2sfJUaGIk  Edit: If you look at some of the more recent SSFIV videos you will see how much lower his damage is, I was really surprised when I first saw the changes in effect. "

I don't really care that much about tiers. I main Fuerte and I can easily when against Sagat's or Ryu pretty easily, I pick Fuerte because no one knows how to fight him.

" I don't really care that much about tiers. I main Fuerte and I can easily when against Sagat's or Ryu pretty easily, I pick Fuerte because no one knows how to fight him. "