@Turambar said:

@RurouniGeo said:

@Turambar said:

@Mechabolic said:

@Turambar: So you are going to keep commenting on things that you don't know anything about. Good on you... I guess?

Enlighten me: how does knowing the exploits of Justin Wong make Aris's comment of sexual harassment being a core identity of the FGC suddenly ok.

SEXUAL HARASSMENT IS NOT A CORE IDENTITY OF THE FCG. HOLY CRAP.

If you had actually read any of my posts before responding to them you would know we have many gay and transgendered people here and women as well. Ricky Ortiz one of the top players I mentioned is gay and crossdresses in fishnets heels etc etc at tournaments and he is respected as a player AND AS A HUMAN BEING. What other community would it be normal for someone to be themselves and do that sort of thing? Anywhere else you would be harassed and chased away but Ricky Ortiz has our respect and he's here to stay and anyone that says otherwise will be the ones sent packing.

Name a community where a gay man can crossdress openly and publicly and be seen on streams by 10,000 people of all walks of life and personal views and be accepted and respected. Go ahead I dare you.

Except "sexual harassment is a core identity of the FGC" is a line Aris, your representative, used. If you disagree with that line and find it repugnant that he said that, then we don't have an issue. If you are ok with him saying that, then we do. If there is a reason why the scope of blame is spreading, it's because plenty of people from the FGC are responding in these comments trying to legitimize that statement. If you need an example, in response to my comment in yesterday's article "You are defending someone who believes sexual harassment is the core identity of the community. What is wrong with you?", user unAble, a member of the FGC according to himself, said "There is nothing wrong with that." That is a line said by your peer, not any outside group. What should I make of that, and the many other comments by your own peers, that echo the same sentiment? I am much more easily convinced by your examples of diversity within your community when those guys are not actively undermining your point.

You are bashing the whole community for one person who's words he doesnt even stand by anymore

First off lets get this straight. Aris is West Coast. He's not Gulf Coast/Florida/Georgia or East Coast. There are different ways of doing things and acting in each region. West Coast is Hollywood, East coast is a little more street, and Gulf Coast is generally forgotten about and very nice and welcoming. I'm part of the Gulf Coast community. We are pretty nice (I've only ever had a problem with one person here on facebook once a while ago) and I've never heard any issues with sexual harassment happening down here.

Secondly: Are you serious? A random forum post cited in the article is a credible source and opinion of the whole fighting game community? Have you been on a forum before? That's poor, poor, poor, journalism on Patricks part. But as PATRICK said himself he was RUSHING THE ARTICLE TO BEAT OUT DESTRUCTIODS.

Funny how you hold one random user on a forum to such high regard yet you have real live people here telling you how things are and our opinions are worth less than that forum users because patrick cited him and not us here on giant bomb.

@Hagane said:

@benson: Honest question: where does she ask him to stop? From what I've seen she seemed quite amused by the situation. Unless laughing means something different.

Fair question. OTOH, laughing can CERTAINLY mean something different than being amused. Just google "laughing defense mechanism". I mean that's one of the EASIEST ways of masking discomfort, especially in a situation where you don't expect help from anyone else.

I don't take kindly to GTPlanet snobs. I'll RAM THEM OFF THE ROADS -unrealistic- style!

@Grimluck343 said:

Today I learned everyone on the internet is a saint, and everyone in the fighting game community endorses rape.

No one gets better by grading against the "F's" of the world.

@Hailinel: "deplorable person being defended, or white-knighted, by people within the community?"

I agree, two wrongs don't make a right. I only find a problem when both sides refuse to take a step back and say "Hey, let's get the whole picture before we start the hate train". Like I said, this is just tabloid tier journalism by Patrick. When his twitter said that he wanted to be Destructoid to the punch with this article then all bets are off. I've seen TONS of streams with Aris so I was surprised Capcom decided to let him on a REALITY show and even more suprised when people that say they are from the FGC go "omg, Aris is so meen~! ;-;". At least Aris responded to all of this even though people in the FGC like Wong and MikeZ said it was all in good fun, nothing malicious about any of this.

@huser: Ok, so you are painting her as this delicate flower that can't defend herself and has to resort to defensive mechanisms? And they call Aris misogynistic!

@Turambar said:

@TeflonBilly said:

@Turambar: Eh, it's a stupid joke playing off how the "trash talk" that Aris is trying to protect are just a bunch of kids trying to emulate tough rappers who battle about who's whom's "bitch-nigga" and so on.

In those videos, Aris seems to follow the idea of sexual harassment pretty by the books.

Hell, I'd say he even adds sociopathic tendencies on top of the sexual harassment he shows in those videos.

@Homelessbird said:

@RurouniGeo: That's something I knew about peripherally, but I've never heard the full story of Ricky Ortiz.

Perhaps someone in the FGC should contact GB, or another site, and write a response article telling Ortiz's story, and condemning the things Aris said on the livestream?

This kind of thing can be fixed with a measured response.

Well that's the thing. Besides the story with Noah Patrick did a few months ago no one really does any reaching out to the community. We have our own news sites and things to talk about game news and community news. It would be nice if we could get a measured response but you have to understand that alot of people are reluctant to talk to sites like Giant Bomb especailly since they didnt get any player input or anything before the first set of stories came out. People reached out to Miranda and Aris and thats more or less it then they printed the story and then asked for more input. Of course they weren't going to say anything. Would you when there is a sexual harassment case going on?

Ricky Ortiz is doing his own thing on Fighting Game TV (FGTV) its a 24 hour stream of the the SoCal Fighting game community. I'm sure Patrick would be welcomed to check it out but I can't say for sure I don't speak for those guys.

@Mechabolic: Wait, MikeZ is on Aris's side?

I'm calling this off guys, MikeZ said he is a kewl guy so we can wrap this baby and put it back in the crib, case closed.

@InternetDetective: MikeZ is actually trying to avoid the whole debacle, but he did talk about how all of this was blown WAY out of proportion. Aka, Aris being Aris and her escalating this much further than it should have.

@Hailinel: What part of Patrick rushing to print this story before everyone else regardless of checking each side's story don't you understand? I swear, you are just looking for someone to put on a cross.

Geez, 509 comments to this and 900 something for the other one? This guy must have people seeing red...

Anywho, I feel that Capcom must be shaking their heads at this whole saga.

@Solh0und: Nah, they are too busy making new costume dlc and having a money fight over Megaman's corpse.

@Mechabolic said:

@Hailinel: What part of Patrick rushing to print this story before everyone else regardless of checking each side's story don't you understand? I swear, you are just looking for someone to put on a cross.

That's pretty ironic coming from a guy who is trying to impugn a journalist's integrity based on jack shit.

@High_Nunez said:

This whole story got really boring really fast. Anyway, I've always found it weird that it's taboo to insult people if they're gay, female, and non-white, but it's totally okay to insult them for any other reason. Always seemed inconsistent to me.

I suppose the day you could get lynched or burned at the stake for having poor eyesight and needing glasses, being a little heavy, or not being tall, this particular issue might be more analogous to slights against gender, sexuality or ethnicity, where people have literally died for those issues.

@RurouniGeo said:

@Homelessbird said:

@RurouniGeo: That's something I knew about peripherally, but I've never heard the full story of Ricky Ortiz.

Perhaps someone in the FGC should contact GB, or another site, and write a response article telling Ortiz's story, and condemning the things Aris said on the livestream?

This kind of thing can be fixed with a measured response.

Well that's the thing. Besides the story with Noah Patrick did a few months ago no one really does any reaching out to the community. We have our own news sites and things to talk about game news and community news. It would be nice if we could get a measured response but you have to understand that alot of people are reluctant to talk to sites like Giant Bomb especailly since they didnt get any player input or anything before the first set of stories came out. People reached out to Miranda and Aris and thats more or less it then they printed the story and then asked for more input. Of course they weren't going to say anything. Would you when there is a sexual harassment case going on?

Ricky Ortiz is doing his own thing on Fighting Game TV (FGTV) its a 24 hour stream of the the SoCal Fighting game community. I'm sure Patrick would be welcomed to check it out but I can't say for sure I don't speak for those guys.

Sure, but it's not a sexual harassment case - this is a PR situation. It's never been up to press outlets to do more than reach out to the parties involved, which in this case were Aris, the girl in question, and Capcom, the people who run the event. The original article (which, I'll remind everyone, was entitled "WHEN PASSIONS FLARE, Lines Are Crossed"), and this one, were simply reporting the amount of facts that could be collected based on the responses they'd gathered - it's really not out of line with standard reporting technique.

That said, I totally agree that it doesn't tell the whole story. But it's up to the members of the FGC to reach out and correct any judgements that people have made BASED on these or other articles. I understand why they might be upset that they weren't contacted earlier, but they're going to have to get over that if they want both sides of the story told (or what they perceive as both sides).

The original news was never an indictment of the FGC as a whole - that's just how it's been taken by some people reading it, although I can't particularly blame them given Aris' comments. What we need is somebody to step in and correct that misapprehension with some relevant details about the community. Sticking to SRK isn't going to solve the wider problem of this being a PR nightmare for the FGC as a whole.

@Hailinel said:

@Mechabolic This is not tabloid journalism in the least. This is bringing serious behavioral issues to light. That it puts a community you have an affinity for under a microscope does not make it tabloid material.

Poorly researched and sensationalistic isn't tabloid journalism? I shudder to think what passes for it then.

@Turambar said:

@RurouniGeo said:

@Turambar said:

@Mechabolic said:

@Turambar: So you are going to keep commenting on things that you don't know anything about. Good on you... I guess?

Enlighten me: how does knowing the exploits of Justin Wong make Aris's comment of sexual harassment being a core identity of the FGC suddenly ok.

SEXUAL HARASSMENT IS NOT A CORE IDENTITY OF THE FCG. HOLY CRAP.

If you had actually read any of my posts before responding to them you would know we have many gay and transgendered people here and women as well. Ricky Ortiz one of the top players I mentioned is gay and crossdresses in fishnets heels etc etc at tournaments and he is respected as a player AND AS A HUMAN BEING. What other community would it be normal for someone to be themselves and do that sort of thing? Anywhere else you would be harassed and chased away but Ricky Ortiz has our respect and he's here to stay and anyone that says otherwise will be the ones sent packing.

Name a community where a gay man can crossdress openly and publicly and be seen on streams by 10,000 people of all walks of life and personal views and be accepted and respected. Go ahead I dare you.

Except "sexual harassment is a core identity of the FGC" is a line Aris, your representative, used. If you disagree with that line and find it repugnant that he said that, then we don't have an issue. If you are ok with him saying that, then we do. If there is a reason why the scope of blame is spreading, it's because plenty of people from the FGC are responding in these comments trying to legitimize that statement. If you need an example, in response to my comment in yesterday's article "You are defending someone who believes sexual harassment is the core identity of the community. What is wrong with you?", user unAble, a member of the FGC according to himself, said "There is nothing wrong with that." That is a line said by your peer, not any outside group. What should I make of that, and the many other comments by your own peers, that echo the same sentiment? I am much more easily convinced by your examples of diversity within your community when those guys are not actively undermining your point.

You are bashing the whole community for one person who's words he doesnt even stand by anymore

First off lets get this straight. Aris is West Coast. He's not Gulf Coast/Florida/Georgia or East Coast. There are different ways of doing things and acting in each region. West Coast is Hollywood, East coast is a little more street, and Gulf Coast is generally forgotten about and very nice and welcoming. I'm part of the Gulf Coast community. We are pretty nice (I've only ever had a problem with one person here on facebook once a while ago) and I've never heard any issues with sexual harassment happening down here.

Secondly: Are you serious? A random forum post cited in the article is a credible source and opinion of the whole fighting game community? Have you been on a forum before? That's poor, poor, poor, journalism on Patricks part. But as PATRICK said himself he was RUSHING THE ARTICLE TO BEAT OUT DESTRUCTIODS.

Funny how you hold one random user on a forum to such high regard yet you have real live people here telling you how things are and our opinions are worth less than that forum users because patrick cited him and not us here on giant bomb.

This is kind of why I'm bummed to tell people I play games, for guys and situations like this.

@Octaslash: But it's ok to trust said journalist based on jack shit? Cool hypocritical statement, bro.

I just realized that guy is a fucking dwarf! Holy shit.

@Turambar: And going by what you have been posting you seem to be a textbook example of a feminazi that refuses to see the other side's argument. Is that true? Who knows. You can't judge a person by a few clips and internet comments. The sooner you realize that the better.

@TeflonBilly: "Sensationalistic" is a matter of opinion. I'd say that the other sites running this as news prove that it isn't, but it's really up to your point of view.

But I don't know where you're getting "poorly researched." The event is clearly documented on the stream, and Patrick reached out to all the parties involved, and published Aris' response as soon as he got it. What more do you expect? I'm curious.

@Turambar said:

@TeflonBilly said:

@Turambar: Eh, it's a stupid joke playing off how the "trash talk" that Aris is trying to protect are just a bunch of kids trying to emulate tough rappers who battle about who's whom's "bitch-nigga" and so on.

In those videos, Aris seems to follow the idea of sexual harassment pretty by the books.

Hell, I'd say he even adds sociopathic tendencies on top of the sexual harassment he shows in those videos.

@Mechabolic said:

@Octaslash: But it's ok to trust said journalist based on jack shit? Cool hypocritical statement, bro.

Jack shit? Have seen the videos? You don't have to trust anyone. There's no way to spin this shit. It's all pretty fucking clear.

@Turambar: All i'm saying is if you are going to call someone an asshole make sure he's actually an asshole. Anyone can take snippets of well known people and make them look like an asshole. Jeeze, why did Patrick have to drag the FGC into this mud slinging contest?

@Octaslash: Anyone that has been in the FGC knows what Aris is like. He's like that asshole friend, sure he acts like an asshole but if you actually knew the person he's the best guy to have your back. All this article has done is show people outside the FGC who Aris is and if you didn't know him then you would think he's an asshole, hell, I thought he was an asshole at one point but if you actually listen to more than one video of him then you will see that he's a textbook example of your asshole friend.

@InternetDetective: MikeZ is actually trying to avoid the whole debacle, but he did talk about how all of this was blown WAY out of proportion. Aka, Aris being Aris and her escalating this much further than it should have.

I really could've got behind the guy if he'd said that "trash-talking" was an integral part of fighting games. And that seems to be what he's saying here. Too bad previously he said, on no uncertain terms, that sexual harassment was integral to the community and removing it would be destroying everything that the community stood for.

Still, I guess I could see how someone using that many absolute phrases could be taken out of context...

@Mechabolic said:

@Turambar: Jeeze, why did Patrick have to drag the FGC into this mud slinging contest?

I think that it's fairly clear that Aris dragged the FGC into this mud-slinging contest.

@Mechabolic said:

@Turambar: All i'm saying is if you are going to call someone an asshole make sure he's actually an asshole. Anyone can take snippets of well known people and make them look like an asshole. Jeeze, why did Patrick have to drag the FGC into this mud slinging contest?

Snippets? There's a load of documented proof (with plenty of relevant context) that this guy is a creep. It doesn't matter if he's your "asshole, dudebro, fuck buddy" or if you think he's playing a character while he's on a live stream. "Acting" like a creep doesn't excuse you from acting like a creep

@Turambar: All i'm saying is if you are going to call someone an asshole make sure he's actually an asshole. Anyone can take snippets of well known people and make them look like an asshole. Jeeze, why did Patrick have to drag the FGC into this mud slinging contest?

@Octaslash: Anyone that has been in the FGC knows what Aris is like. He's like that asshole friend, sure he acts like an asshole but if you actually knew the person he's the best guy to have your back. All this article has done is show people outside the FGC who Aris is and if you didn't know him then you would think he's an asshole, hell, I thought he was an asshole at one point but if you actually listen to more than one video of him then you will see that he's a textbook example of your asshole friend.

@TeflonBilly said:

@huser said:

@Ett said:

@Barrock: You do know that the word rape have more one meaning.

anactofplunder,violentseizure,orabuse;despoliation;violation:therapeofthecountryside.

The word rape has nothing too do with a sexual act in fighting scene and all with the destroying of you opponent.

Really? I'm fairly sure that if you ASKED people after using the word what the definition of that word was...you'd get the more obvious one and not the one related to rapine.

Yeah, cause after I see someone perfect their opponent with some godlike combos in a fighting game and an onlooker points out "Wow, Player 1 completely raped Player 2" I immediatly start wondering where the penetration on screen was?

Nah, I guess I have the ability to not be so anal about being literal

No you have the ability to be obtuse, but I can see how that might be conflated.

The question was whether an alternative definition of the word was the intended one. Given the average person wouldn't even be AWARE of such an archaic definition, let alone have it be the dominant one in mind, then I think it's fair to question if it's relevant in the least. Particularly in the context provided here in regards to "rape that bitch", not your sterilized hypothetical example.

@InternetDetective said:

@RurouniGeo: Aris has shown a very public, repeated pattern of documented bullying. Stop replying to me and write to Capcom and ask them to do something about this guy.

I did and I'm not as invested as you obviously are. Do the right thing RurouniGeo.

Do the right thing? Hah? And you are doing the right thing by crucifying a community you know nothing about? THe only person you know in it is Aris and you are judging the 100,000 people or so worldwide based on 1 person. And I thought you didnt watch streams or care? You are assuming things. And no I will not write to capcom. That's not going to help Miranda get through this or get back to the community she loves any faster

@Mechabolic Patrick gave Aris a chance to respond. When he didn't receive an answer, he finished the story and noted within it that Aris hadn't answered him. When Aris did finally post a response, he obviously updated to point people toward it. If Aris wanted to talk to Patrick before, he had every opportunity to do so, but chose not to. Not that Aris's public "apology" does much for his side of the story.

@Mechabolic said:

@Hailinel: "deplorable person being defended, or white-knighted, by people within the community?"

I agree, two wrongs don't make a right. I only find a problem when both sides refuse to take a step back and say "Hey, let's get the whole picture before we start the hate train". Like I said, this is just tabloid tier journalism by Patrick. When his twitter said that he wanted to be Destructoid to the punch with this article then all bets are off. I've seen TONS of streams with Aris so I was surprised Capcom decided to let him on a REALITY show and even more suprised when people that say they are from the FGC go "omg, Aris is so meen~! ;-;". At least Aris responded to all of this even though people in the FGC like Wong and MikeZ said it was all in good fun, nothing malicious about any of this.

@huser: Ok, so you are painting her as this delicate flower that can't defend herself and has to resort to defensive mechanisms? And they call Aris misogynistic!

Uh, you are asking her to go up against her coach in public while the rest of her team is trying to compete. That kind of situational pressure has broken a whole lot of people made of stern stuff so no I'm not characterizing Miranda as a delicate flower, but you know a human being.

Nice attempt to deflect though.

@RurouniGeo: Capcom needs to cut Aris loose before some poor girl sues them into bankruptcy.

@huser: With all due respect, I don't see how that applies here. Insulting a person isn't the same as killing a person. Neither is a cool thing to do, but one's definitely less cool than the other.

@RurouniGeo: I wouldn't even try arguing with people outside the FGC. The comments here have reached reddit levels of retardation and strawman arguments as far as the eye can see. Thanks for shitting up GB by posting this tabloid tier "article" Patrick...

@Turambar said:

@TeflonBilly said:

@Turambar said:

@TeflonBilly said:

@Turambar: Eh, it's a stupid joke playing off how the "trash talk" that Aris is trying to protect are just a bunch of kids trying to emulate tough rappers who battle about who's whom's "bitch-nigga" and so on.

In those videos, Aris seems to follow the idea of sexual harassment pretty by the books.

Hell, I'd say he even adds sociopathic tendencies on top of the sexual harassment he shows in those videos.

Wait, so are we on the same side or opposite? Are you ok with me deciding that he's a prick and people who support him and his actions are pricks?

I've never said anything else than Aris being a disgusting ass and I've felt that way about him ever since I first heard him commentate at EVO years ago. His actions against Super_Yan were disgusting and doesn't just not belong in the Fighting Game Community, but any community whatsoever.

HOWEVER I do take huge issue with how poorly presented the articles about this has been. Patrick rushing out an article without having anything substantial other than a clip and some haphazardly chosen quotes makes this quite a one sided affair. How about getting at least a second fact right before posting.

Hell, the low quality of the article has had several people in the comments section be under the assumption that a group of fighting game enthusiasts were chanting "RAPE THAT BITCH!" at Super_Yan when that was an entirely different example which Jared made that wasn't even connected to the whole Creepy Aris debacle.

I'll break down the things I've taken issue with

1. Aries and his deplorable actions against Super_Yan
2. Patrick's absolute journalistic nadir
3. The people who have decided that fighting game enthusiasts are all rapists
4. The notion that there is no room for salty behavior/language in a heated game

The very subject about how the fighting game community will have to grow up if they do aspire to be taken more seriously, become more inclusive or inch towards the phenomena that Starcraft has become would be an excellent article of what I'd consider serious game journalism. What we have been served however, has been utter dogshit.

@Mechabolic: Yeah, only talk to people who agree with you. You have your fingers in your ears going "LA LA LA LA!" right now don't you?

@High_Nunez said:

@huser: With all due respect, I don't see how that applies here. Insulting a person isn't the same as killing a person. Neither is a cool thing to do, but one's definitely less cool than the other.

The point was that people have died (and continue to within the US) based on the hate contained on insults to ethnicity, gender, or sexuality. Sometimes truly horrifically. When the hate that leads to pointing out someone is wearing glasses, their height or weight leads to them being murdered, THEN we can wonder why we don't compare those insults more equally.

That's not to excuse THOSE insults. They are no less hateful, they just don't carry the obvious historical and even current mortal danger that the first group does.

@Mechabolic said:

@RurouniGeo: I wouldn't even try arguing with people outside the FGC. The comments here have reached reddit levels of retardation and strawman arguments as far as the eye can see. Thanks for shitting up GB by posting this tabloid tier "article" Patrick...

You're the only one trying to deflect and avoid the real issues of sexual harassment. After your weak defence of that creep, Aris, you're obviously attempting to target the strawman (poorly, I might add).

@huser said:

No you have the ability to be obtuse, but I can see how that might be conflated.

The question was whether an alternative definition of the word was the intended one. Given the average person wouldn't even be AWARE of such an archaic definition, let alone have it be the dominant one in mind, then I think it's fair to question if it's relevant in the least. Particularly in the context provided here in regards to "rape that bitch", not your sterilized hypothetical example.

But in the quote from the original article, it WAS used in a context much like the one I made. On screen, in a video game, Player 1 was beating the shit out of Player 2 who was playing Phoenix who is a much scorned character due to being overpowered who just happens to be a woman, when somebody in the audience decided to cheer on Player 1, by telling him to keep "RAPING THAT BITCH". You could make the argument that the fact that Phoenix is a woman makes it problematic, however I really don't think you'f have a different reaction if it was Wesker and he was as overpowered and scorned in MvC3 that Phoenix is.

Hell, when PR Balrog trounced Viscant's Phoenix with Tron Bonne at the final at EVO last year with a Level 3 Super, my thoughts were probably in the same vein as well. I know I marked out.

@TeflonBilly: I seriously don't understand this line of argument as far as the article is concerned.

The quotes are from the posted video. They are given in the context that they were expressed - question and answer format, with no edits, straight from the video. I've watched it, and can confirm that much. All parties were given a chance to respond. This article is about Aris' response.

This article also ends with: "I've received an enormous amount of feedback since the story ran, and I'm still filtering through the comments from both inside and outside the fighting game community. I'm setting up interviews as we speak. We'll revisit this soon."

What else would you have had Patrick do?

@InternetDetective said:

@RurouniGeo: Capcom needs to cut Aris loose before some poor girl sues them into bankruptcy.

Bankruptcy? Are you serious?

Congratulations you have proved finally once and for all that this has without a doubt been blown out of proportion. This is going to BANKRUPT CAPCOM? Please go tweet patrick immediately and give him the scoop! Aris "Aris" is going to bankrupt Capcom if these keeps up. Everyone is going to boycott Resident Evil 6 and Devil May Cry! Capcom is Ruined!!!

You have proved your lack of knowledge and information too with that statement. This was the first and last time Capcom has ever been involved with Aris and the show ended on Tuesday and so ended any affiliation he had with the company which was very little to begin with. He is a Tekken player. He comentates on Tekken Streams. So you aren't even writing an angry letter to the right people to be honest with you.

Stay Free Mr. Detective.

@RurouniGeo: I wouldn't even try arguing with people outside the FGC. The comments here have reached reddit levels of retardation and strawman arguments as far as the eye can see. Thanks for shitting up GB by posting this tabloid tier "article" Patrick...

@InternetDetective said:

@RurouniGeo: Capcom needs to cut Aris loose before some poor girl sues them into bankruptcy.

Yea, because Aris is affiliated with Capcom and that Cross Assault is still going on, right? Good job Detectiving the Internet.

@RurouniGeo, RuisuX: He was obviously being hyperbolic.

@InternetDetective: You are implying that you haven't been doing that the entire time- OH SHIT, NOT AGAIN. I was having a good day, I don't need your shit right now. It's ok though, keep saying that calling people bad names are wrong while calling said guy an asshole, jerk, neckbeard, ect. I'm tired of arguing with a brick wall. Welp, so much for GB being an honest journalistic site...

Pretty much what Jeff said on the podcast.