Oui Vai, Super Mari Galaxy 2 gets a perfect score

#1 Edited by me3639 (1801 posts) -

I'm not a Wii, or Nintendo hater and feel Mario is one of the most important characters and franchises in gaming history, but come on a perfect score? i dont want to bring attention to the review itself, but can you reward a retread for adding new levels opposite something that never has been done with a higher review score? As an example, as i watched the QL for RDR it made me want to call off work and go get that game pronto, as opposed to the new Mario, as i watched the review, i was like ok, looks good and fun.
Now before all the hate begins, think about this:
What game deserves more recognition something with excellent sound, level design, originality, game play and story, or something with the same characters, sound and graphics, and of course same story for the past 20 years?
 
Im just always baffled at the continued love for how Nintendo gets a pass for re treading the same product over and over and over......

#2 Edited by Meowayne (6084 posts) -

It's "oy vey", and prepare to get flamed for treating Grand Theft Horse as "original" while SMG2 as "rehash".

#3 Posted by wefwefasdf (6729 posts) -

Is originality all what it is cracked up to be?

#4 Posted by Rhaknar (5939 posts) -
@Meowayne said:
" It's "oy vey". "
Oui Vai is the french version... >_>
#5 Posted by Khann (2890 posts) -

While I agree somewhat.. I guess it's the fact that Nintendo seems to do the retread thing really well.

#6 Posted by JJOR64 (19025 posts) -

Is this about the IGN review of the game?

#7 Posted by csl316 (9038 posts) -

i'm in total agreement here.  with both posts

#8 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@me3639 said:
" I'm not a Wii, or Nintendo hater and feel Mario is one of the most important characters and franchises in gaming history, but come on a perfect score? i dont want to bring attention to the review itself, but can you reward a retread for adding new levels opposite something that never has been done with a higher review score? As an example, as i watched the QL for RDR it made me want to call off work and go get that game pronto, as opposed to the new Mario, as i watched the review, i was like ok, looks good and fun. Now before all the hate begins, think about this: What game deserves more recognition something with excellent sound, level design, originality, game play and story, or something with the same characters, sound and graphics, and of course same story for the past 20 years?  Im just always baffled at the continued love for how Nintendo gets a pass for re treading the same product over and over and over...... "
I gotta second this. How can a franchise that has barely changed in 20 years beat out RDR. 
#9 Posted by wefwefasdf (6729 posts) -
@JJOR64 said:
" Is this about the IGN review of the game? "
Yep. This is what happens when people start comparing scores... :/
#10 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -

What are you talking about? The fact that they spat out new and challenging and original ideas and concepts and things to do literally every 5 minutes was one of the major praises of SMG and now even more, SMG2. Stop talking nonsense. 
 
If you are even remotely interested in platforming games, Super Mario Galaxy 2 is a must-buy and the reviewer couldn't find any flaws in the game. How can you be pissed that it got a higher score than your new favorite explosions-game?

#11 Edited by Diamond (8634 posts) -

It's not just Nintendo that gets ridiculous scores from time to time.  I wouldn't put this blame on SMG2 or even IGN.  It's a fault of 'scoring' games altogether.  That fault also lies with gamers for making more out of scores than they should.  When you really think about it, people are idiots for caring about game scores at all.
 
These are completely arbitrary numbers, how can they possible equate to value.  Sites only use them because it helps to get them hits, but it's really a really weak tactic in terms of journalistic integrity.
 
@Meowayne said:

If you are even remotely interested in platforming games, Super Mario Galaxy 2 is a must-buy and the reviewer couldn't find any flaws in the game. How can you be pissed that it got a higher score than your new favorite explosions-game?
And it's hyperbole like this that keeps the problem going.  But you can't expect everyone to be level headed.
#12 Posted by W0lfbl1tzers (1789 posts) -

There is no such thing as a perfect score

#13 Posted by masternater27 (918 posts) -
@me3639 said:
" I'm not a Wii, or Nintendo hater and feel Mario is one of the most important characters and franchises in gaming history, but come on a perfect score? i dont want to bring attention to the review itself, but can you reward a retread for adding new levels opposite something that never has been done with a higher review score? As an example, as i watched the QL for RDR it made me want to call off work and go get that game pronto, as opposed to the new Mario, as i watched the review, i was like ok, looks good and fun. Now before all the hate begins, think about this: What game deserves more recognition something with excellent sound, level design, originality, game play and story, or something with the same characters, sound and graphics, and of course same story for the past 20 years?  Im just always baffled at the continued love for how Nintendo gets a pass for re treading the same product over and over and over...... "
Super Mario Galaxy has the same sound and graphics as 20 years ago Mario, what?  Red Dead Redemption is something that has never been done before, what?  The IGN reviewer found SMG to be a 10/10 for what it is, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a better game than Red Dead Redemption, it just happens to be the best Wii platformer possible in the reviewer's mind.  At least that's how I take it.  Comparing RDR to SMG2 is apples to oranges it makes no sense to do.  How can you compare a game that focuses heavily on story to a game that doesn't even make an attempt at having a story and instead focuses on challenging the player to complete levels?  You can't.
#14 Posted by KingBroly (1645 posts) -

GTA4 didn't deserve a 10/10, neither did MGS4.  If you think those were deserved, you have no say here.

#15 Posted by Yummylee (22121 posts) -
Frankly...I think IGN's SMG2 review was kinda...bad... 
  
God I hope people get the reference. O.O
Online
#16 Posted by Tebbit (4473 posts) -
@Abyssfull said:
" Frankly...I think IGN's SMG2 review was kinda...bad...   God I hope people get the reference. O.O "
Too soon... 
 
wait, not it's not! YEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWWWWW! 
 
Anyway, If IGN says SMG2 is awesome, i'm not gonna argue with them, because it's pretty much in line with 90% of the other reviews out there. And SMG1 being one of my most favourite games of all time only bias's me in a good way.
#17 Posted by Ratcabbage (250 posts) -

Why do you guys do this to yourselves? Go find a stuffed animal to hug until all of your worries and concerns just slip away.

#18 Posted by ColinWright (741 posts) -

OMG, this game I haven't I played does not deserve a better score than this other game I haven't played from a completely different genre! HOW DARE THEY?!

#19 Posted by Emilio (3380 posts) -
@me3639 said:
"   What game deserves more recognition something with excellent sound, level design, originality, game play and story, or something with the same characters, sound and graphics,..."
For a second there, I thought you were first talking about Super Mario Galaxy 2...
#20 Posted by simian (866 posts) -
@wh4tshisface said:
" OMG, this game I haven't I played does not deserve a better score than this other game I haven't played from a completely different genre! HOW DARE THEY?! "
Unbelievable! How dare they give a perfect score to *game_name* when I have a mug that says "World's Best Husband!" so that obviously means I'm better!
That being said SMG was the only game in the Mario series that I didn't bother to finish and, seeing that I made it through Mario Sunshine, that says a lot.
#21 Posted by wolf_blitzer85 (5278 posts) -

Well it could mean that it's a really good game.

#22 Posted by Scooper (7881 posts) -

Yeah but dude, cloud suit.

#23 Posted by Willy105 (4690 posts) -

I don't think any game deserves a perfect score, and from GTA4 and MGS4, it proves it.

#24 Posted by OneManX (1693 posts) -

Well it got a 5/5 from Giant Bomb... so RAGE? 

#25 Posted by Fallen189 (5036 posts) -

Nobody said that because it got the highest score possible, it's a "perfect game". Stop inferring things you want to be true.

#26 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

I haven't played game x but score y doesn't match my preconceptions, internet rage.

#27 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -
@simian said:
" @wh4tshisface said:
" OMG, this game I haven't I played does not deserve a better score than this other game I haven't played from a completely different genre! HOW DARE THEY?! "
Unbelievable! How dare they give a perfect score to *game_name* when I have a mug that says "World's Best Husband!" so that obviously means I'm better! That being said SMG was the only game in the Mario series that I didn't bother to finish and, seeing that I made it through Mario Sunshine, that says a lot. "
That says you got through that bullshit beach cleaning level.
#28 Posted by yakov456 (1918 posts) -
@me3639 said:
" I'm not a Wii, or Nintendo hater and feel Mario is one of the most important characters and franchises in gaming history, but come on a perfect score? i dont want to bring attention to the review itself, but can you reward a retread for adding new levels opposite something that never has been done with a higher review score? As an example, as i watched the QL for RDR it made me want to call off work and go get that game pronto, as opposed to the new Mario, as i watched the review, i was like ok, looks good and fun. Now before all the hate begins, think about this: What game deserves more recognition something with excellent sound, level design, originality, game play and story, or something with the same characters, sound and graphics, and of course same story for the past 20 years?  Im just always baffled at the continued love for how Nintendo gets a pass for re treading the same product over and over and over...... "
I try not to get involved in these debates, but after reading this post it expresses my sentiments exactly. Ride the nostalgia money train, you have all been Nintendoed.
#29 Posted by Hailinel (25179 posts) -
@OneManX said:
" Well it got a 5/5 from Giant Bomb... so RAGE?  "
HOW DARE THIS GAME BE AWESOME.  I WILL GO CRY INTO THE LAP OF A FELLOW FRAT BRO.  THAT WILL TEACH NINTENDO TO DO SHIT I DISAPPROVE OF.
#30 Posted by s10129107 (1185 posts) -

a game has to be reviewed based upon its own ambitions.  smg2 and rdr set out to do completely different things.

#31 Posted by Turambar (6813 posts) -

And yet another reason why reviews shouldn't have scores: because it causes bullshit kneejerk reactions such as the OP.

#32 Posted by ComradeKritstov (693 posts) -
@W0lfbl1tzers said:
" There is no such thing as a perfect score "
This.
#33 Posted by agentboolen (1815 posts) -
@me3639:  Sorry that a game that has invisible horses doens't get a perfect score!!!  Also what the hell do you have against plumbers?!?!  There job is just as exciting as cowboys!!!!
#34 Posted by Dalai (7048 posts) -
@me3639 said:
" What game deserves more recognition something with excellent sound, level design, originality, game play and story, or something with the same characters, sound and graphics, and of course same story for the past 20 years?  Im just always baffled at the continued love for how Nintendo gets a pass for re treading the same product over and over and over...... "
The game that is simply better. I think you're trying to pigeonhole Super Mario Galaxy 2 as a rehash when we haven't played it yet to decipher that for ourselves. Yeah they did recycle a few things, but weren't those things already great to begin with? Why fix it if it ain't broken? 
 
And I wanna know why people think Mario games need some rich, detailed story. Seriously, it's not needed in a game almost exclusively built on gameplay and level design. I could care less how Peach was kidnapped, it just happens. Save her, grab some stars, and fuck up Bowser... that's all I need.
#35 Posted by Chokobo (1228 posts) -

This just sounds to me like a "The game I love didn't get as high of a score as a game that I have a predisposition towards not liking" type of complaint.
 
Both are good games.  4 stars isn't bad.  Besides, it's the reviewer's opinion and you probably should just take it with a grain of salt anyways.  No need to start outraged forum threads about it.

#36 Posted by MadThad0890 (94 posts) -

IIT: people  complaining about someone else's OPINION  on a game that they havent played themselves yet.  look the game is great, everything Nintendo puts out is TOP TIER stuff. DEAL WITH IT!  what not enough SHOOTIN AND KILLIN for you?  

#37 Posted by OneManX (1693 posts) -

No one wants to be wrong...
 
No one wants to think the game they paid 60 bucks for was a bad move, especially comparing it to Mario... which is only $50.
 
RDR could of gotten a 9.9 and SMG2 still got a 10... people would still rage over it...

#38 Posted by supermike6 (3593 posts) -
@KingBroly said:
" GTA4 didn't deserve a 10/10, neither did MGS4.  If you think those were deserved, you have no say here. "
Nobody can speak unless they agree with me!!!
#39 Posted by CrossTheAtlantic (1146 posts) -

Super Mario Galaxies is awesome! 
Red Dead Redemption is awesome! 
GTAIV was awesome! 
MGS4 was awesome! 
 
"Hey, maybe we all win! No? Well then fuck you and your opinions, internet!" - What goes through my head in threads like these.

#40 Posted by Supermarius (1196 posts) -
@masternater27 said:
" @me3639 said:
" I'm not a Wii, or Nintendo hater and feel Mario is one of the most important characters and franchises in gaming history, but come on a perfect score? i dont want to bring attention to the review itself, but can you reward a retread for adding new levels opposite something that never has been done with a higher review score? As an example, as i watched the QL for RDR it made me want to call off work and go get that game pronto, as opposed to the new Mario, as i watched the review, i was like ok, looks good and fun. Now before all the hate begins, think about this: What game deserves more recognition something with excellent sound, level design, originality, game play and story, or something with the same characters, sound and graphics, and of course same story for the past 20 years?  Im just always baffled at the continued love for how Nintendo gets a pass for re treading the same product over and over and over...... "
Super Mario Galaxy has the same sound and graphics as 20 years ago Mario, what?  Red Dead Redemption is something that has never been done before, what?  The IGN reviewer found SMG to be a 10/10 for what it is, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a better game than Red Dead Redemption, it just happens to be the best Wii platformer possible in the reviewer's mind.  At least that's how I take it.  Comparing RDR to SMG2 is apples to oranges it makes no sense to do.  How can you compare a game that focuses heavily on story to a game that doesn't even make an attempt at having a story and instead focuses on challenging the player to complete levels?  You can't. "
I think you can pretty easily have a scenario where you compare these two games. If you have a 360 and Wii then you may have had to decide which to get first. This happened to me and i decided to get SMG2 because I have played tons of open world games this generation and top-notch nintendo platformers are far and few between. Further affecting my decision was that SMG was 10 dollars cheaper and i really want to get RDR used so that i don't give any money to Rockstar. They manipulated their day 1 metacritic scores by withholding review copies from critical game sites, including Giantbomb. I dont like like that.
#41 Posted by Kenzo287 (722 posts) -

you dumbasses really don't get it? scores don't fuckin' matter. which ones better: mario galaxy 2 or red dead? who cares? they're both high quality games and anyone who calls themselves a gamer will want to own both. pointless thread is pointless.

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