" I don't get it. The reviewer admits that the story takes a backseat, a flaw in every mario game and galaxy 1. How do you make a perfect game without a good story? "

"

Am I the only guy who thinks the video review of this sounds like a dude reading of page he just got handed randomly. Sounds like me when I had to do book reports in school or something.

Also Mario Galaxy is pretty sweet, pure gameplay, in the end that is all that matters.

"

I already posted up GS' review >=/ but whatever.

"after 20 years of playing mario the core gameplay experience hasnt really changed"

Wii games are marked against other Wii games.

" Wii games are marked against other Wii games. "

" @Jimbo said:

" Wii games are marked against other Wii games. "

Didn't stop the first one getting GOTY on the same site. "

" @Willy105 said:

" @Jimbo said:

" Wii games are marked against other Wii games. "

Didn't stop the first one getting GOTY on the same site. "

Putting it right up there with Demon's Souls. "

What still works about Mario, though, is something that has become increasingly rare this generation: level design. While the core mechanics of Mario has not changed that's because there is no need. What does need to be changed ever iteration, however, is the level in which you play. If I can exaggerate a bit, there really is an art to designing a level. Particularly levels which have no oriented plane on which to build. The first Super Mario Galaxy was a brilliant cacophony of coherent space. It never made sense, but somehow it all came together. Most importantly, it was a blast to run and jump through. 
 
Level design is the crutch of the Mario series. Look at all the failed platforms from the N64 days. It was never really the mascot or the mechanics (many of which were swiped from Mario64 anyways), but the boring levels that made them a chore to burn through. Even Rare, I think, had trouble with creating just a fun, open level which is why they increasingly bloated their games with things to collect. Today, a large number of games consist of running through hallway>shoot enemies with maybe some arenas and cover thrown in to mix it up. It's fun! I like those games! But it's also nice to see a game where the different levels are variably different and just not some window dressing. 
 
Besides, who the hell wants a story in Mario anyways? The last time someone tried to mix a story into Mario we got that movie. NEVER FORGET.

" @Jimbo said:

" @Willy105 said:

" @Jimbo said:

" Wii games are marked against other Wii games. "

Didn't stop the first one getting GOTY on the same site. "

Putting it right up there with Demon's Souls. "

That game wasn't great? "

" @Jimbo said:

" @Willy105 said:

" @Jimbo said:

" Wii games are marked against other Wii games. "

Didn't stop the first one getting GOTY on the same site. "

Putting it right up there with Demon's Souls. "

That game wasn't great? "

" @Hailinel said: 

It takes four hours to beat Portal (possible less) "

Which is EXACTLY why I still haven't bought Portal yet. "

" @Willy105 said:

" @Jimbo said:

" @Willy105 said:

" @Jimbo said:

" Wii games are marked against other Wii games. "

Didn't stop the first one getting GOTY on the same site. "

Putting it right up there with Demon's Souls. "

That game wasn't great? "

Not GOTY great by most accounts, no.  Not even by Gamespot's account if you were to put any stock in their review scores, what with Uncharted 2 scoring higher than Demon's Souls and then somehow losing GOTY to it.  Gamespot seem somewhat inclined to court attention.
 
What does any of this have to do with SMG2 again?  Oh right, Wii games only being marked against other Wii games.  By that I merely meant that SMG2 "getting a higher score than Red Dead Redemption on most sites" doesn't tell you anything about how these games compare, because games aren't usually scored across platforms like that.  This is true and a fact.  I'm sure SMG2 is a brilliant game.  After all, everywhere is effectively saying "10/10... for a Wii game", and a statement that qualified takes a lot of conviction. "

I will say the following in caps to emphasize my point. 
 
DO YOU REALIZE THAT REVIEW WAS BY TOM MC SHEA? THE WORST REVIEWER EVER!? 
 
I'm not saying Mario is bad. No, it probably deserves a great score, but not a perfect score. Tom Mc Shea is a fucking idiot. Oh, and I skipped through the whole video review to see if they showed Tom's face. Nope, thank God.

Maybe its the fact that i dont play as many shooters as i used to but i think that the core mechanics of many shooters have much more depth than that of "jump on guy" and its also possible that the similarness of mario and its graphics over the years  is just too much to handle i can only stomp on so many koopa troopers dude "

"You know that Gamespot isn't the only site that gave it that score. Standards are different across platforms, but it doesn't mean one has lower standards than the other. The Wii can' t do graphics as good as the HD consoles, so it has to pony up on other areas. If a shooter was being ported from the HD consoles to the Wii, it's obvious graphics will have lower standards, but gameplay will be the opposite. We would expect it to control and play better than the HD consoles, because of the higher standards given by the Wii remote."

" Super Mario Galaxy 2 has NOTHING on Tony Hawk Pro Skating 3 "

I'm guessing it got a near perfect score just about everywhere because Mario games usually are some of the best platformers and I'm guessing they compare platformer games to other ones in the genre. Also Mario isn't 5 hours long, its 15 hours or more if it has the same amount of galaxies as SMG.

Jimbo: Care to give a few examples? As a Wii and 360 gamer (which I am sure you are not) my experience is quite different from what you try to sell. Great Wii games are usually downscored and are NOT given critical acclaim, and if they were released on the HD platforms they would get much more attention.  If in general Wii game ratings would adapt to "substantially lower standards", then why are there substantially less 90+ rated games for the Wii on metacritic and the likes?
 
I am not talking about graphics and other technicalities - of course there is always a "... for a Wii game" after those, and rightfully so. But would you please provide evidence for your statement?  That SMG2 would not receive these scores if it was released on a technically similar level on the HD platforms is a very bold claim to make. And you're not only claiming that there is a difference, but a "substantial" one.

Not to mention that we are talking about GAMESPOT here, who are notorious for giving the lowest scores to Wii games. :D

This is the  worst thread

I may not own a Wii but I think the first Super Mario Galaxy was the first Wii game that made me borrow my nephews console for a week as well as his copy of the game just so I could get in on the action. Looks like I'll be doing it again with the second game ;)

" This is the  worst thread "

" @Willy105 said:

"You know that Gamespot isn't the only site that gave it that score. Standards are different across platforms, but it doesn't mean one has lower standards than the other. The Wii can' t do graphics as good as the HD consoles, so it has to pony up on other areas. If a shooter was being ported from the HD consoles to the Wii, it's obvious graphics will have lower standards, but gameplay will be the opposite. We would expect it to control and play better than the HD consoles, because of the higher standards given by the Wii remote."

You might.  "We" really wouldn't.
 
I think standards are different and substantially lower on the Wii.  For everything.  Doubly so if you put Mario on the box; that's worth 2 points before you even start.  If these scores continue then SMG2 should be taking GOTY most places pretty comfortably  Cool if it does, but I won't hold my breath. "

" @Fallen189 said:

" This is the  worst thread "

Don't you mean "This thread, is the worst thread, ever?" "

" @brainboy77 said:

" I don't get it. The reviewer admits that the story takes a backseat, a flaw in every mario game and galaxy 1. How do you make a perfect game without a good story? "

Dude, it's a Mario game.  Did Bowser kidnap Peach?  Yes?  Well there you go!  That's all the story it needs. "

Ha, but IS IT bowser...?

" Jimbo: Care to give a few examples? As a Wii and 360 gamer (which I am sure you are not) my experience is quite different from what you try to sell. Great Wii games are usually downscored and are NOT given critical acclaim, and if they were released on the HD platforms they would get much more attention.  If in general Wii game ratings would adapt to "substantially lower standards", then why are there substantially less 90+ rated games for the Wii on metacritic and the likes? I am not talking about graphics and other technicalities - of course there is always a "... for a Wii game" after those, and rightfully so. But would you please provide evidence for your statement?  That SMG2 would not receive these scores if it was released on a technically similar level on the HD platforms is a very bold claim to make. And you're not only claiming that there is a difference, but a "substantial" one. "

@Jimbo:
 
Let's take the second-to-last Gamespot Wii game review as an example. Sin & Punishment 2 scored 8.5/10. It's a StarFox-like shmup that while hugely praised got knocked down for a lack of online multiplayer and retarded story. Do you think that this game on the HD platforms (with updated/appropriate visuals, of course), reviewed by the same person, would've scored lower?

" @Jimbo:  Let's take the second-to-last Gamespot Wii game review as an example. Sin & Punishment 2 scored 8.5/10. It's a StarFox-like shmup that while hugely praised got knocked down for a lack of online multiplayer and retarded story. Do you think that this game on the HD platforms (with updated/appropriate visuals, of course), reviewed by the same person, would've scored lower? "

True, but I think we all agree that in terms of graphics and online functionality, lower standards for the Wii do exist.

The reviews I've seen said that you can beat it in a few hours, but there is so much stuff to do aferwards that it will boggle your mind. In addition to the 120 stars, there are those other things you have to find... I forget what they're called though...

" @AlwaysAngry said:

" Review.  To me, that really says something. I don't have a Wii, but with this game getting a higher score than Red Dead Redemption on most sites, it must be a seriously good game. No online, and you can beat it in a few hours, but it still gets a 10? I'm as confused as I am shocked. "

When did the presence of online features or the length of the game start playing such an important role in determining how good a game is? "

It seems like you've already decided that there is nothing for you on the Wii, which makes you pretty trollish right now.
 

So it's as good as THPS3?

" @Jimbo:  Let's take the second-to-last Gamespot Wii game review as an example. Sin & Punishment 2 scored 8.5/10. It's a StarFox-like shmup that while hugely praised got knocked down for a lack of online multiplayer and retarded story. Do you think that this game on the HD platforms (with updated/appropriate visuals, of course), reviewed by the same person, would've scored lower? "

 "If you can beat a in 5 hours instead of 50, it's a huge difference. The longer the better, unless it's a bad game. Online modes offer lots of re-playability and give you more bang for your buck. "

" True, but I think we all agree that in terms of graphics and online functionality, lower standards for the Wii do exist. "

The game is Mario, what the hell do you expect? Its a good game. 
 
Its also dependent on the reviewer, and perhaps how much money corporations fork over for good reviews. Ryan for example, is the arguably the most harshest reviewer on GiantBomb. Higher standards maybe, or likes to nit pick out the bad things. 
 
Reviews mean absolutely nothing. You don't have to agree with another review. Just make a review of yourself.

" It seems like you've already decided that there is nothing for you on the Wii, which makes you pretty trollish right now.   "

" @Willy105 said:

" @Jimbo said:

" @Willy105 said:

" @Jimbo said:

" Wii games are marked against other Wii games. "

Didn't stop the first one getting GOTY on the same site. "

Putting it right up there with Demon's Souls. "

That game wasn't great? "

Not GOTY great by most accounts, no.  Not even by Gamespot's account if you were to put any stock in their review scores, what with Uncharted 2 scoring higher than Demon's Souls and then somehow losing GOTY to it.  Gamespot seem somewhat inclined to court attention.

Jimbo: Fair enough.
 
 

  The longer the better, unless it's a bad game.

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3, GTA IV, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Soul Calibur were WAY MORE deserving of their 10/10's than SMBG2, and what makes this even worse, the Wii fanboys will be rubbing it in our faces for at least 3 years.
 
Seriously, at this point, I couldn't hate Super Mario any more. I wish Nintendo went out of business, I hate them that much.

EliasT: That's cool that you played SMG2 and all the Wii's games in the last three years to make that kind of judgment. Please give us your review so we can understand better what is so wrong with Galaxy 2. : )

" Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3, GTA IV, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Soul Calibur were WAY MORE deserving of their 10/10's than SMBG2, and what makes this even worse, the Wii fanboys will be rubbing it in our faces for at least 3 years.  Seriously, at this point, I couldn't hate Super Mario any more. I wish Nintendo went out of business, I hate them that much. "

" @EliasT said:

" Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3, GTA IV, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Soul Calibur were WAY MORE deserving of their 10/10's than SMBG2, and what makes this even worse, the Wii fanboys will be rubbing it in our faces for at least 3 years.  Seriously, at this point, I couldn't hate Super Mario any more. I wish Nintendo went out of business, I hate them that much. "

Isn't that enough to get you banned? Anyway, sucks to be you. Your taste in games seems like a real burden. "

" EliasT: Please give us your review so we can understand better what is so wrong with Galaxy 2. "